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A Wheel In The Middle Of A Wheel

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  1. firstthings1st.

    firstthings1st. Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Friday 2-7-20, Shebat 12, 5780 6th. day of the weekly cycle, 49th. Winter day

    “The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.” Ezekiel One:16 KJV

    Ezekiel One:15-21

    The Four Wheels:

    15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. 16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

    17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. 18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

    20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

    Ezekiel One:1-28

    Ezekiel's Vision Photo

    Ezekiel One Vision Video

    Love always, Walter and Debbie
     
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    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    This is one of my favorite subjects.

    I believe Ezekiel was given a vision of the Word becoming flesh, beginning with a Nitrogenous Base (A,C,G,T).

    the Chemical Element Nitrogen is what our DNA is made of. It is Element Seven...

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    Any Chemist would recognize this imagery right away.
     
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    Hilarious. But the truth is given to us as a wheel within a wheel...the layers of truth. With holiness at it's center...and with an outer ring of righteousness that proceeds from the center like heat coming from a fire. Holiness produces righteousness in the world...giving light and heat. All scriptures that pertain to the truth have these layers.
     
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    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    Ezekiel 1:4
    "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire"


    Ezekiel saw Amber. What is that?

    The word 'Amber' is where we get our word for Electron...

    "Both electric and electricity are derived from the Latin ēlectrum (also the root of the alloy of the same name), which came from the Greek word for amber, (ēlektron)"

    Electron - Wikipedia

    The Ancients would rub Amber on a Lamb to see the sparks. Think of Jesus as the Lamb and the Holy Ghost as the Electrons.

    Thus, the 'whirling' that Ezekiel saw was a vision of Electrons whirling about the Nucleus as well as a picture of our Lord...

    Ezekiel 1:27
    "And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about"


    It was also a picture of the Word made flesh. The Invisible things of God manifesting into the Visible.
     
  5. John Caldwell

    John Caldwell Well-Known Member

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    I think the biggest problem is that the illustration is not really what the element looks like.
     
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    Indeed, however I believe God was going for Symbolic representations that would 'speak to' those with knowledge in that particular field by using Scripture as the basis by which to relate things.

    For example: We have Four Living Creatures with Four Faces...

    Lion
    Ox
    Eagle
    Man


    A Christian may see them as the Four Gospels. An Astrotheologist might say the faces represent Four Cardinal Directions or Zodiac Signs. A Gnostic may see Earth, Fire, Water and Wind. Etc.

    However, to a Particle Physicist, the Four Faces would relate to something else entirely.

    The bottom line is that the Four Faces may not 'appear' as what they ultimately represent, but are rather symbolic of it. This is why we must rely on Scripture to reveal to us exactly what those faces are trying to teach us.

    So why these particular creatures? What is it about a Lion, Ox, Eagle and Man that God would like us to understand?

    Let's compare them to the Word of God to see what we can learn about them...

    LION
    Daniel 6:27
    "He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions"


    Scripture teaches us that the Lion is POWERFUL.

    OX
    Proverbs 14:4
    "Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox"


    Scripture teaches us that the Ox is STRONG.

    EAGLE
    Obadiah 1:4
    "Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD"


    Scripture teaches us that the Eagle is swift and can go UP and DOWN defying GRAVITY.

    MAN
    Matthew 26:41
    "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak"


    Scripture teaches us that, compared to all the other Creatures, Man is WEAK.

    Thus, God has now taught us what the Four Faces mean...

    The Lion is POWERFUL.
    The Ox is a STRONG FORCE.
    The EAGLE is an example of how GRAVITY works.
    Man is a WEAK FORCE.

    To the Scientist, the answer as to what these are is obvious. The Four Living Creatures represent the Four Forces of Nature...

    "There are four conventionally accepted fundamental interactions—gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear"

    Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia

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    This is the Word of God making these connections, not me.

    Did the verse about the Ox speak of a Cardinal Direction? Nope.

    Did the verse about the Eagle mention the names Matthew, Mark, Luke or John? Nope.

    Did the verses speak of Earth, Fire, Wind and Water? Nope.

    Did the verses describe the Four Forces of Nature precisely? Yes!

    Thus, the argument as to what those faces are is settled.
     
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    (Daniel 7:2-14)... I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. [10] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [11] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. [12] As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. [13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


    Daniel 7:15-19 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. [16] I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. [17] These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. [18] But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. [19] Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    Why is the wheel connected to “these great beasts”
     
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    Not sure what connections you are looking for, but one way they may be connected is via Spirit...

    Ezekiel 1:20
    "Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels"


    The Spirit in the Wheels is the Holy Ghost and is connected with Fire...

    Matthew 3:11
    "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire"


    Then there's this...

    2 Samuel 22:9
    "There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it"


    Thus the 'Fiery Stream' that issued and came forth from before him could be Fiery Spirits.

    The Holy Ghost is the Electron (Power) in the Atomic Trinity...

    Romans 15:13
    "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost"


    Note that the Fourth Kingdom is the Iron Kingdom. Iron represents Electromagnetism (Power) and High Technology...

    Revelation 2:27
    "And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father"


    Iron mixed with Clay is Humans mixing with High-Tech and the Spirit World...

    Daniel 2:43
    "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"


    ^^^
    That's the Mark of the Beast by the way.
     
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    Twelve Particles of Matter make up the Universe. It is called the Standard Model.

    That is what the High Priest Breastplate represents...

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    Sounds similar to the description of the Leviathan:
    Job 41:14-21 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. [15] His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. [16] One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. [17] They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. [18] By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. [19] Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. [20] Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. [21] His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

    Revelation 9:15-18 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. [16] And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. [17] And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. [18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
     
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    OK. I think I'm following you. It was not a message for the ancient past but speaking to those who would understand the symbolism (using symbols they would understand).
     
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    Let's take a closer look at the word 'Beryl'...

    Daniel 10:6
    "His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude"


    We have: Beryl/Lightning/Lamps of Fire

    All of the above are related to the Electron and Electricity.

    Let's try another one...

    Song Of Solomon 5:14
    "His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires"


    We now have the word Beryl connecting to 'Rings'. This is another reference to the Atomic Orbitals or 'Wheels'...

    Ezekiel 1:18
    "As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four"


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    As discussed earlier in the thread. These verses are meant to be Symbolic or 'Schematic' representations like those used in a typical Science Book or Blueprint.

    They aren't necessarily meant to be viewed as exact representations.

    So now that we've made some more connections, we can verify all of this by referencing the Standard Model and High Priest Breastplate to see if there is a match...

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    Yep. The Beryl is yet another reference to the Electron.
     
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    Amen, Exodus Twenty Eight:20-21 KJV 20And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings. 21And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.

    Walter
     
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    Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the color of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.” (Ezek 1:15, 16)

    These wheels here described are NOT to be interpreted as LITERAL wheels, such as are on a car, a plane or a bicycle and etc., it is important to keep in mind that we are viewing insymbolismwhat Ezekiel saw in vision (Verse 1).

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    No these wheels should not be viewed as wheels upon a vehicle (nor for that matter as any other natural thing), but rather they should be viewed in a symbolic nature as the wheels within a time piece (a clock). When you open the back of an old windup clock or pocket watch you will notice that there are any number of wheels inside the watch, and of various sizes, big wheels and little wheels, wheels within wheels, all moving at there own pace, yet all working together quietly in harmony.

    These wheels therefore in the Ezekiel account denote the “times and the seasons” connected with God’s plans and purposes, and within these wheels composing the times and seasons there are smaller wheels revolving within “ages” or time periods where the Lord is specifically working out certain aspects of His will.

    Thus each cherub wheel consisted of an inner and an outer wheel, each of which could separately and distinctly revolve without interference from the other. The extremely large outer wheel represents God’s time clock for action and the fulfillment of the divine plan. Today the wheel is frequently used as a symbol of industry and progress, and in this instance it signifies God’s dealings in regards to man down through history, His movement through great expanses of time, such as the three “worlds” or ages (2 Pet 3:6, 7, 13). Indeed, three large arcs or semicircles used to indicate these three great periods are actually cycles or circles of time, each having its own complete, purposed fulfillment. Every semicircle or arc (i.e., part) is representative of a whole circle in the same manner that, in nautical terminology,three mastsorthree sailsviewed side by side on the distant horizon signify three entire vessels.

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    Reveled in the scriptures we see only a small part of God’s dealings in regards to mankind, (the semicircle or arc) for many of the hidden things that transpire within the full circle of God’s plans and purposes are kept hidden from view. The divine providence's or agencies which are put into action to accomplish His will in any given task or age are not all reveled to us, nor is it necessary that we should know or understand every detail of God’s plans, for we have His assurance that “all things are working together for good to them that love Him, and who are called according to His purpose” (Rom 8:28).

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    The same principle applies to yet an even larger scope of operation; namely, the seven great epochal Days of Creation, each of which is of seven thousand years’ in duration. The awesome height of the wheels or cycles indicates that “as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are...my [God’s] thoughts than your [man’s] thoughts [imagination]” (Isa. 55:9). The same principle also applies to the lesser, though great, Dispensations such as the Patriarchal, Jewish, Gospel, and Millennial ages.

    The smaller or inner (whirringEzek. 10:13) wheel is the more noticeable or the seemingly more active movement of Divinity as shown in His contemporary dealings either with the nations at large or, more particularly, with the nation of Israel as presently viewed in the light of prophecy. It also represents God’s current dealings with the body members of Jesus; that is, God’s providence on the Church as a whole or His individual providence's in their daily lives. While the movement of the hour and the minute hand of a clock is scarcely perceptible, yet on the other hand, the movement or sweep of the second hand (the inner, smaller wheel(s) are far more visibly and audibly discernible.

    The spokes of the large wheel, as well as those of the smaller wheel, represent both the sequence and the specific value of the more important events that relate to the out-working of God’s purpose within the framework of the particular wheel of His operation for any given period.
     
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    I think you have a very active imagination. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but come on, you have to agree this is highly speculative.
     
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    No. This information is all backed up with verses and is very accurate and detailed because of it.

    You will notice that no one else posting theories on this subject will back up their claims using the Word of God and so because of that, anyone who has an issue with my posts has an issue with God.

    I'm not the one who wrote that everything in our reality is assembled and constructed out of something called the 'Godhead'...

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    Again, anyone that disagrees with this, disagrees with God. Anyone who is offended by it, is offended by God.
     
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    I can come up with any theory and then misuse scripture to back it up.

    "Daniel 10:6
    "His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude"

    We have: Beryl/Lightning/Lamps of Fire

    All of the above are related to the Electron and Electricity.

    Let's try another one...

    Song Of Solomon 5:14
    "His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires"

    We now have the word Beryl connecting to 'Rings'. This is another reference to the Atomic Orbitals or 'Wheels'..."

    Pulling out random scriptures from Song of Solomon, that is a love poem about her husband describing his body and you claim it's about Atomic wheels...Riiiiight.
     
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    But why the Beryl? Why the Sapphire?

    I believe there is deep significance in all verses of the Bible. Everything is connected. These aren't just random descriptions but are put there for a reason. They are like 'Bread Crumbs' meant to be followed.

    With that in mind, let's look at the Sapphire...

    Sapphire on the Standard Model is the Strange Quark. It just so happens that Quantum Physicists see the Strange Quark as the Key to creating Portals and Wormholes for use in Time Travel experiments.

    Look at where the Sapphire is in Ezekiel's vision...

    Ezekiel 1:26
    "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it"


    The Sapphire is *above* the Firmament of Outer Space. That means it acts as a Dimensional Barrier between our Universe and Higher Dimensions where God is.

    Scripture describes this Sapphire Barrier as the Sea of Glass...

    Revelation 4:6
    "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind"


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    In other words, the Sea of Glass is 'above' our Reality, but 'below' where God resides. Can we get a confirmation? Yes...

    Exodus 24:10
    "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness"


    in the above verse, God is walking on the Sea of Glass, which is made out of Sapphire and acts as a Dimensional Barrier between our world and his.

    If we look at what Harvest 1874 posted, we find a connection to Time Travel, Strange Quark and the Sapphire...
    Harvest 1874 just gave us a very important piece to the puzzle. Ezekiel's Vision included Time Travel as part of the prophecy.

    In other words, when God appears into our Reality and into a specific point in Time, the Sapphire plays a role in this.

    Again Scientists, like those that work at CERN, are working with Strange Quarks and Strange Matter as a way to breach that Sea of Glass barrier.

    The scary part is that the work is so dangerous, they claim they might accidentally create a Black Hole. We're talking Book of Revelation stuff here...

    Daniel 7:25
    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"


    The above verse isn't about some Pope changing the calendar around or making people go to Church on Sunday or whatever.

    The prophecy is literally about Time Travel and messing with the Laws of Physics that govern our Reality.

    Most Christians have no idea in the world as to how bad things are going to get.

    Anyhow...

    If anyone is reading this post many years from now, and CERN is all over the news about Strange Quarks and Strange Matter, just know that you are almost there and that I told you so.

    Good luck!
     
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