Ephesians 2:8–9 affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life
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To me, your issue with works is just a misunderstanding of Paul.
Paul says we're not saved by works, but, afterward, commands Christians to walk in righteousness.
Yup, "have been saved", and the Scripture also says we're "being saved" and that we "will be saved"--all three tenses are in Scripture. I don't believe just one snippet, I believe all of it.
Yes, we are saved by grace through faith, but, also, Romans 2:6-16 teaches that only those who do good will be repaid with eternal life at the eschatological judgment.
So, you want to believe ONE of those ideas, but you want to reject the other.
That's the difference between us: I want to believe it ALL, but you want me to believe just ONE little snippet of Scripture.
@GracePeace said this...no worries.
I don't deny salvation by grace through faith--it is yourself rather who does not understand what salvation even is.
God says...
We must be Born Again then we are saved...that is a supernatural act that only God can do.
Please explain in your own words , what salvation is?
All our opinions.
You must be Born Again to be led through scripture by the Holy Spirit.
It’s not about “ YOU” leading yourself through scripture and making it your own word....that is working for your salvation.
I don't deny salvation by grace through faith--it is yourself rather who does not understand what salvation even is.
God says...
We must be Born Again then we are saved...that is a supernatural act that only God can do.
Please explain in your own words , what salvation is?
All our opinions.
You must be Born Again to be led through scripture by the Holy Spirit.
It’s not about “ YOU” leading yourself through scripture and making it your own word....that is working for your salvation.
We are Born Again...not being saved...we are saved as soon as we have been birthed in the Spirit....so, how would we know we are Born Again?
It’s imperative that we are Born Again....otherwise we are leading ourself through scripture....that is the carnal man who does that...because they aren’t Born of God..
I now believe I am being led to now leave your thread....God Bless and I hope and pray that you find God’s truth....he wants you to know his truth....all in God’s timing.
Remember...always Praise God in every situation..even through arguments we learn, if we are listening.
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Salvation is not just one thing, it is multi-dimensional, since humans are multi-dimensional.
"Salvation" is Christ paying the glory-debt we owe God.
"Salvation" is from slavery to sin, partly by destroying the body of Sin (Ro 6:6,14, 7:5, 25).
"Salvation" is from God's current wrath--"the wages of sin is death".
"Salvation" is from God's coming wrath upon sinners.
"Salvation" is from from satan's power of darkness into Christ's Light.
"Salvation" unifies us with Christ ("in Christ").
I'm sure there are some aspects I've missed, but what it is not is something that is "fixed" or "unlosable".
1 Corinthians 15
2and by which [Gospel] you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
I'll have to catch up with you later--I'm in the States, and it is 1am here.
Yes, we are born again, and yet "what we shall be has not yet appeared". We are in a process.
Just one more word lol.
Salvation comes from God...that’s when one becomes Born Again,through God’s Spirit.
That is the only way one can be saved for all eternity.....Praise God.
One Baptism...that only the Holy Spirit can do...that’s it!!..nothing complicated whatsoever...in becoming Born Again by the Living word of God.
John 3:3-16 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If we aren’t Born Again...how can we walk in righteousness?
I didn't say it wasn't. My post explains what 'abiding' means.
God freely gives His Spirit to those who by His grace are spiritually re-born. It is a free gift. We do not have to earn it or pay for it. He - the Holy Spirit - is given to us to help us live the life God want us to live.
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mailmandan
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"Abide in Him" and "keep His commands" typically gets turned into salvation by works at the back door by works-salvationists through their eisegesis. The Greek word for "abide" is "meno" and simply means to remain, not to depart, to continue to be present.
This is not something that only super saints do but all genuine born-again Christians. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit... 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
The Greek word for "keep" as in keep His commands is "tereo" which simply means guard, observe, watch over. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. *This is descriptive of genuine believers. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. *This is descriptive of unbelievers.
It does not mean flawlessly obey God 100% of the time and earn eternal life based on the merits of our works. That is a big fail for all of us. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)
mailmandan
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It's called EISEGESIS - the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas.
Works-salvationists (especially Roman Catholics) typically confuse the 3 tenses of salvation and the end result is salvation by works at the back door. The 3 tenses of salvation are:
1. We have been saved from the PENATLY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)
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