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Featured Abortion ?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by twinc, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Well-Known Member

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    A couple of scriptures to consider....
    2 Kings 2:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
    11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven...…………..
    So Elijah, who has not tasted death, was taken into heaven....and is still there.
    “We are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses” – Hebrews 12:1.....
    referring to the saints whom the whole previous chapter had been listing.
    But they’re all dead. What’s with that?

    The author of 1 Kings tells us that Elijah revived a widow’s son: “And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah, and the life of the child returned to him and he revived.” The “life” of the child is said to “return to him”. The word used here is “shuwb” (shoob) and it really means “to turn back”, as if to retreat. But to turn back from where? Where is the ‘life’ at when it is ‘returned’

    Matthew 17:1-2
    1After six days Jesus took with Him Peter, James, and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus.…
    Moses had been dead a long time....


    There have been numerous testimonies of people who died and went to heaven but then came back....my own cousin just this year had a major stroke and was considered dead at one point and he was in the hospital 78 days and he says that he saw heaven and says words cannot describe how beautiful it is.

    So these are just things to consider about what is possible after death.
     
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  2. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.

    Yes, I and The Church accept medical reasons.

    The keyword is "child" in your "malformed child" example so NO there are no other reasons that would/could apply.

    Mary
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    I am not suggesting you are God or a judge in the justice system.

    Condemn defined: express complete disapproval of

    So, once again, If a dad kills their child after it is born would you condemn him?

    Mary
     
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    Great explanation of 2Cor 5:8! I read something recently, by either Welch or Baker, along those exact same lines, but your explanation was much easier to understand. Thanks. Very simple. I copied and saved what you wrote.

    While thinking about that same verse the other day, I realized that, since no one during the entirety of Acts, or the Gospels, or the OT, NEVER, EVER had a chance of going to the Highest Heaven, to be where Christ ascended to, that made the traditional Christian error filled interpretation of 2Cor 5:8 seem very childish and, definitely, non-Biblical. Only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books will one find anyone that will go to Heaven. In the other 59 books, nothing is said about anyone ever having a chance to go to Heaven - search and see!

    There is ZERO possibility of anyone going directly to Heaven when they die. The ONLY person that has EVER gone, or ascended, to Heaven, is Jesus Christ. Jn 3:13.

    Right Division is always there when you need it. Praise God!

    On the abortion issue - abortion is always murder, no matter what any church or preacher says.
     
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  5. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    You can kill a child up to 9 months old for no reason at all in VIC Australia but if it's because it's a malformed one you can not regardless of how much.
    So a healthy child has no rights and another that is not healthy has rights.
    Lets say the child is going to be a burden never able to fend for it's self, maybe could not eat or recognise anyone and live in total pain all it's life, only one of Sutekh would support that.
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello there,
    Knowledge brings responsibility. We have the means of saving life and of prolonging life, of improving the quality of life and of taking it away. What we do not know is the end from the beginning, unlike God Himself, Who has foreknowledge.
    In supporting a new-born by artificial means, we give opportunity for treatment of conditions that without that means would mean death. Yet in prolonging life we cannot know the outcome, short or long term with any certainty, or the degree of suffering involved. In some cases would it not be better to let nature take it's course, and let that new-born die.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
  7. Reggie Belafonte

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    Sure in some cases that would be the humane thing to do.
    Nowadays we have the ability to look after such but like back in the days of past when one had to fend for yourself there was only one option.

    Are we doing the right thing by God ?
    Back in all the days gone by the healthy only served and the stronger blood lines genes made it, but nowadays the weakest survive handing on sickly, it's much like the inbreeds, this was a real no no years ago because of all the problems such caused.
    In Aboriginal Australia it was all about strength and proving yourself or your out and left to die that's how they survived. the true Abos even nowadays are a truly strong to endure how they live and it's truly astounding to see that they can live that long, but the media and city people make out that there life span is less that that of the city white, but the city people have no idea at all as to what is truly what, the astounding and ignorant of the city white is just amazing, if they went and lived like them Abos do, they would be lucky to live too 30yo if that, many would be luck to survive a month if they went out there, if not a week and eat what they do.
    A mate in Alice springs would get all the real rotten meat once a week from all the butchers and take it out to the dump and the abos would come out like fly's after it all, good food is what they claimed it to be.

    So you see we are creating a bunch of weaklings generation that eat rubbish like fast food 24/7 not to mention don't have the skills so can't even cook for themselves nowadays, what a backwards brain dead generation, that it's becoming indoctrinated dupes for the media as there main education.
     
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    Hello Reggie,

    I can empathize with what you are saying. So much that the world considers to be advancement has a sting in it's tail. In this day we are beginning to count the cost of the advancements of the past, with plastic pollution and issues with global waste etc., along with the side effects of drugs which can be as damaging as the conditions they were intended to treat. This opens up a multitude of side issues in itself doesn't it, Reggie,and unfortunately threatens to take us off subject. So it is not one we can pursue here. Maybe it needs it's own thread, yes?

    What truly matters for you and I who have been saved by God's grace, is that we keep our eyes stayed on Christ, Who is at God's right hand in the heavenlies, patiently waiting, until all enemies are placed under His feet.

    God's will, will be fully done, of that we can be assured.
    With love in Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Where in the Bible do the scriptures say this?
     
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    Isn't that murder? I myself don't believe there is any excuse to justify murder.
     
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    At Matthew 17:9 Jesus himself says this is a vision so Moses and Elijah were not literally there since they have been long dead and had not been resurrected yet. At 2 Kings 2:11, 12 the prophet Elijah is described as “ascending in the windstorm to the heavens.” The heavens here referred to are the atmospheric heavens in which windstorms occur, not the spiritual heavens of God’s presence. Elijah did not die at the time of such ascension, but he continued to live for a number of years after his heavenly transportation away from his successor Elisha. Nor did Elijah upon death ascend to the spiritual heavens, since Jesus, while on earth, clearly stated that “no man has ascended into heaven.” (Joh 3:13) At Pentecost, Peter likewise said of David that he “did not ascend to the heavens.” (Ac 2:34) In reality, there is nothing in the Scriptures to show that a heavenly hope was held out to God’s servants prior to the coming of Christ Jesus. Such hope first appears in Jesus’ expressions to his disciples (Mt 19:21, 23-28; Lu 12:32; Joh 14:2, 3) and was fully comprehended by them only after Pentecost of 33 C.E.—Ac 1:6-8; 2:1-4, 29-36; Ro 8:16, 17.
     
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