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Abortion ?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by twinc, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Triumph1300

    Triumph1300 Well-Known Member

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    So, you say a living soul ceases to exist?
    Why did you quote that scripture than?
     
  2. Truth

    Truth Well-Known Member

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    I Agree! But it never had time to transgress, not able to discern good or evil, even though it had the curse of sin running through it's veins!
     
  3. TheHolyBookEnds

    TheHolyBookEnds Well-Known Member

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    I will probably disagree with you here. There is a group ('babe to adult') in scripture which receive no resurrection, and will be as though they had not been. You can also find this in the testimony of Jesus if you look carefully. "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
     
  4. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    ;)
    Find some other member to whip me??? If it is so easy to "whip me" and my argument is so weak then why don't you do it yourself???

    Maybe because you know that you have been whipped and there is no defense for your bizarre statements ;)

    Your the one who was equating a soldier to a defenseless baby and you suggest I have baggage??? o_O

    Your not able to tell someone that having an abortion (murder) is a sin because it depends on their emotional state, financial situation, family relationships, maturity level, psychological condition and even the conception circumstances and you suggest I have baggage???o_O

    How about the man who rapes a woman??? Are you not going to call it a sin because it depends on the mans emotional state, financial situation, family relationships, maturity level and psychological condition????

    Thanks for your 'help of keeping me walking forward'. If approving of abortion and equating a soldier to a baby is forward in your eyes I would rather move backward. Way, way, way away from you!!! ;)

    Mary
     
  5. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Please, proceed.

    Mary
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Thank you BG.

    How does Luke 23:43 fit into your belief?

    What passages support your belief?

    Mary
     
  7. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    It is kind of sad that your feel you need a beating (punishment for your abortion), but I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for, and it eases your hurt.
     
  8. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Dear Willie,

    According to your belief if I don't have enough money in my pocket it is ok to abort a baby. Sooooo the only thing we should be sad about is your bizarre way of looking at a helpless baby in a womb.

    Sorry, my mistake. According to your logic that baby is the same as a soldier. Your ok with the killing a helpless baby (if you don't have enough money in your bank account) but you can't kill an enemy soldier who is out to kill you. Let's shoot the branch above his head and scare him....... o_Oo_Oo_O WEIRD way of thinking.

    Need a beating??? Eases my hurt??? What the heck are you talking about??? You make no sense.
     
  9. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    We all here know what I am talking about. And Jesus is the path for you to be able to rise above the loathing you feel you deserve.

    I never said it was OK for us to kill anyone. Not your abortion, or the many kids I ended the lives of from 200' away when they didn't even suspect I was there. But, I have let Christ take that guilt of so many lives from me. You really need to learn that you can too.
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    '... our Lord Jesus Christ:
    Which in His times He shall shew,
    .. Who is the blessed and only Potentate,
    .... the King of kings,
    ...... and Lord of lords;
    Who only hath immortality,
    .. dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
    .... whom no man hath seen, nor can see:
    ...... to whom be honour and power everlasting.
    Amen.'

    (1 Tim. 6:14b-16)

    Hello Twinc,

    A problem concerning death at any age is created by believing that man has an immortal soul: which he does not; for only One has immortality, as the verse above shows.

    This mortal must put on immortality (1 Cor.15:53), and that will occur at the resurrection of the dead, or in the case of those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (in the twinkling of an eye - 1 Cor.15:52). So the baby who dies, or the dead of any age go to the place of the dead, or 'the grave', awaiting resurrection either to life everlasting or judgement and death.

    The life of the believer is hid with Christ in God (Col. 3:3), and the Bible speaks of those who have died, in Christ, as being 'asleep in Christ' (1 Cor. 15:18), for death has no dominion over such (Rom. 6:8,9), and at the resurrection of the dead, they will receive life everlasting.

    The soul that sinneth it shall surely die, and we who are the offspring of Adam, are sinners, no matter what our age and therefore die. Only salvation by grace through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ on our behalf can deliver us from the power of death and the grave, and give us the hope of eternal life, in Christ Jesus.

    Yet, in the case of those who have never had the opportunity to live, or to hear the gospel of the grace of God, they will be judged accordingly, in that day, when our Lord judges the secrets of men's hearts: and there will be those of their number who will be granted life, for God will judge justly (Romans 2), according to His foreknowledge.

    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
  11. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Abortion is wrong
    Murder, an ancient cover up,
    Our distorted justice condemns us
    Church is eunuch
     
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    Hi Charity, welcome! I must ask you, when you say "according to His foreknowledge", concerning the aborted babies...does that not take away from our free will to "choose this day whom you will serve"? The unborn had their choices taken away before the get go. Or, are you a believer in TULIP?
    In His Name,
    -nanc
    y
     
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    charity Well-Known Member

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    Hello Nancy,

    I don't know what TULIP stands for I'm afraid.

    Free will has nothing to do with this, for the dead who died without ever having heard the gospel of grace, or being able to seek God on the basis of what the heavens declare concerning Him, 'His eternal power and Godhead' (Psa.91:1 97:6; Romans 1:20), will be judged according to God's foreknowledge, for God who knows the secrets of men's hearts, would know how, had they heard, they would have responded, either with faith, or not. So He is able to judge justly and give life or not on that basis alone (see Romans 2).

    Thank you for asking,
    In Christ Jesus
    Chris
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Loathing I feel I deserve??? o_O

    What in the world are you talking about????

    My abortion???? Huh???

    You make no sense so I will be moving on.

    Mary
     
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    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Just a little something for anyone here who might need to hear this:
    Guilt is what an individual feels when she has violated her own moral code. For the woman who has come to believe, at some point either before or after the abortion, that she consented to the killing of her unborn child, the burden of guilt is relentless. There is little consolation to offer the woman who has transgressed one of nature's strongest instincts: the protection a mother extends to her young. In fact, many post-abortive women believe that any unhappy events that have occurred since the abortion were inevitable because they "deserve it."
    As I said, just something to put in your "Humm" Box for whenever you may encounter what seems to be irrational thinking about this.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    You hide behind the law
    The law was created for people, not people for the law
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Hi Chris,
    I do understand what you are saying about God's foreknowledge. But, if a child has not even made it out of the womb, therefore has not been "born naturally" or, IMO "born of water", are they actually conceived in sin while still in the womb? Sorry if I'm not coming across very clear :confused:. Their "free will to choose was taken away from them so how can they be born into original sin if they have not even had the chance TO be born?...things that make me go hmmm. Lol.
     
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    I don't understand what you mean. Can you clarify?
     
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    Ok, can we have some time together (without responding to others for the time being here), so that rest of this thread is more easily digested?

    If I may ask you, what is the definition of "abortion" that you are utilizing?

    I believe it is important to define terms so that we understand what we are speaking about when we use terms with one another. Therefore we can begin to discuss the right/wrong/evil, etc of something.

    For instance, there is a generic definition of 'abortion' with multiple subcategories, which is:

    "... Definition of abortion

    1 : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: such as
    a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage
    b : induced expulsion of a human fetus
    c : expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare contagious abortion
    2 a : a misshapen thing or person : monstrosity
    b informal + sometimes offensive : something regarded as horrifically or disgustingly bad
    3 : arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection; also : a result of such arrest ..." - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

    Therefore, in this (above) definition an 'abortion' could be classified as an early failure (by any means, natural or unnatural) of carrying to full term. An arrested (for whatever reason) pregnancy. For instance, a woman who falls, in a car wreck, through drastic hormonal change (fear, adrenaline), etc.

    It could also include an 'ectopic' pregnancy which ends in failure.

    It could include a failure to carry to term by reason of illness.

    It also carries a metaphoric definition 'ugliness', etc.

    etc.

    So, when you would desire to speak about "abortion", would you be as specific as possble in the definition that you are using? Also, are you using only a definition which includes human, or all physical life (beasts, anmials, etc)?

    Then, if we could consider the definition of "sin" and "evil" also after this first.
     
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  20. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Abortion is a wedge issue.
    It is a fact of life, which politicians have used to divide us
    We need to preach life, not condemnation for those who abort their children.....regardless of legality
     
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