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  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Do you believe in the existence of absolute truth?

    What does it include?

    Is it contained in one document/doctrine/church?

    Can you possess it fully?

    Are you, as a Christian, a distributor of Absolute Truth?

    Can you defend it?

    If someone does not recognise your authority as an expert of Absolute Truth are they evil or liars or simply trying to destroy your beliefs?
     
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    Helen Well-Known Member

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    NO. Not as something that we can possess...but do we know Him Yes we do.
    We are in Him who is ALL TRUTH.

    But, contrary to what some on this forum believe...Jesus is the Head, and His people are the Body...not a 'single one' of us has He give ALL TRUTH ...we each have a part of the revelation of truth...we see in PART and we understand in PART .....He has so ordained it that way so that we all need each other....TOGETHER we have it all.
    That is why I resist those who keep saying emphatically that they have the truth and know everything....impossible...not even biblical.

    Another reason I wont sit in a church under just one preacher/teacher. At least there should be three..some places we have been a part of there were six teachers...preaching in the Spirit 'line upon line' , precept upon precept....that brings us closer to getting the truth of an issue.
    My two cents,
     
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    Helen Well-Known Member

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    @aspen Whoops, forgot to say a thank you for starting a good interesting discussion.
    I was only saying this morning to @Job that the Site seems devoid or new and interesting discussions ...and here you are... :)
     
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  4. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Thanks for your comments.

    I am going to let this thread develop before i add mine :)
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    absolutely! :D
     
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    Job Well-Known Member

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    Do you believe in the existence of absolute truth?....................Yes.

    What does it include?........................God.

    Is it contained in one document/doctrine/church?................................No.

    Can you possess it fully?....................................Theoretically, yes.

    Are you, as a Christian, a distributor of Absolute Truth?...................................Only if I know it to be the absolute truth.

    Can you defend it?.....................................Yes and no.

    If someone does not recognise your authority as an expert of Absolute Truth are they evil or liars or simply trying to destroy your beliefs?...................If someone refuses my words I simply move on. Are they evil or liars? That depends.
     
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    epostle1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes
    A starting point would be the Trinity, the highest in the hierarchy of absolute truth, from which all truth flows.
    Absolute truth is divinely revealed. God>Jesus>Apostles>successors who are ordained to teach.
    No one can possess the truth, then it is no longer truth.
    We each have our work cut out for us, few of us are called to teach divinely revealed truth. That is for the ordained. Some do a better job than others.
    Truth doesn't need a defense, it stands on its own merits or it's not truth.
    Neither. I don't need to be an expert on 20 centuries of accumulated wisdom, I have faith AND reason. If someone doesn't recognize that, it's not me with the problem.
     
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    epostle1 Well-Known Member

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    Love for the truth was a favorite theme of Pope John Paul II. “Let us seek the truth about Christ and about his Church!...Let us love the Truth, proclaim the Truth! O Christ, show us the Truth! Be the only Truth for us!” – Agenda for the Third Millennium Pope John Paul II

    The Holy Father’s enthusiasm for the truth however is not shared by the secular world. In fact, its citizens, in general, harbor a distinct fear of the truth. This fear may be analyzed on three different levels:

    1) that the truth would impose unwanted moral responsibilities on them;

    2) that any association with the truth would occasion an air of pretentiousness;

    3) that any claim to the truth might expose them to being wrong.

    They prefer freedom from moral responsibility, absence of any “holier than thou” attitude and exemption from the possible embarrassment of being in error. Their fears, however, take them from the very light and meaning they long for, and plunge them into a dark void were they are trapped by a misery of their own making. Their flight from the truth is also an entrance into a world of gloom.

    These three fears are ill fated, as well as ill founded. First of all, truth is our only avenue to real freedom. “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” John 8:32

    Ignorance may at times be blissful, but it is never illuminating. St. Augustine once remarked that he had met many people who had been deceived, but never met anyone who wanted to be deceived.

    We have a natural hunger for the truth of things. No one ever asks for the wrong time. It is always the “right” time and the truth about things we want to learn.
    Untruth is not helpful, but truth is like a beacon that shows us the way. This is why the Pope titled his great encyclical on the freeing function of truth as Veritas Splendor (Truth’s Splendor).

    When we are lost we want to learn the truth about our situation so that we can be liberated from our confusion. The truth makes us free; untruth binds us to bewilderment. The truth about ourselves awakens us to our moral responsibilities, but we need this awakening in order to become whom we truly are, to advance toward our destiny, to build a meaningful life.
    We should welcome the truth that illuminates our moral responsibilities with the same enthusiasm that a person who is lost in the woods and welcomes a compass and a map.

    Secondly, the fear that any discovery of truth would make us pretentious is also counterproductive. Truth is not of our own making. Even Christ proclaimed that the truth He illuminated did not spring from Him alone. “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me” (John 17:6)

    Truth is not subjective. It represents the objective order of things. The person who comes to know something of the truth, then should experience humility, not vanity, for he discovers something that is not his.

    Christ was emphatic in his denunciation of the Pharisees who claimed to know something of the truth but behaved with a pretentious snobbery. Truth is not he cause of Pharisaism, vanity is. And both Christ and his Church are unrelenting in their advocacy of humility and in their condemnation of vanity. In fact, it may be far less tolerant of Pharisaism than the secular world. Consider, for example, the comment, “I hate anything fake,” made by Britney Spears, a veritable icon of artificiality and pretense. The secular world awards this kind of duplicity with celebrity.

    Thirdly, there is the rather spineless fear that in perusing the truth, we might fall into the embarrassing predicament of being wrong. Again, there is nothing wrong that can reasonably justify this anxiety. We all make mistakes. Not to try something for fear of making a mistake is akin to a paralyzing neurosis that would discourage one from trying anything.

    Some people avoid marriage because they fear divorce. Others avoid friendship because they fear rejection. The pursuit of truth presupposes a certain amount of courage. If nothing is ventured, as the maxim goes, nothing is gained.

    The fact that truth is indispensable for a meaningful life does not mean that it is always agreeable. Mounting the bathroom scale can be a breathless ascent, because the anxious weight-watcher knows that this simple piece of machinery tells the truth.
    But he disconcerting truth that one is overweight may be exactly what one needs if exercising and dieting are to follow. The freedom that health offers may need to be preceded by the disagreeable truth that one is too fat.

    Truth is as natural to our minds as oxygen is to our lungs and food is to our digestive system. It is a great mistake to regard the teaching of truth as an imposition. The Church does not, nor can she, “impose” truth.
    Rather, she endeavors to propose truths to those who are disposed to receive them. The Vatican’s Declaration of Religious Liberty states that, “The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it wins over the mind with gentleness and power.

    The Church as Guardian of the Truth and Teacher of the Word provides food for hungry minds. She does not impose the truth; no more than do Christians impose food on hungry bodies when they practice this corporeal act of mercy.

    She guards it because it needs to be protected against the contamination of error. She teaches it because it is more nourishing than error. Moreover, the truth enables her to teach realistically about the truth of Christ, the truth of the Catholic Church, and the truth of man. Apostles are ministers of love, but they are also servants of the truth.

    By Dr. Donald DeMarco, Professor of Philosophy, St. Jerome’s College at U. of Waterloo

    Taken from The Bread of Life Magazine, July / Aug. Volume 26 Number 3, with minor editing by me.
     
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  9. Helen

    Helen Well-Known Member

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    @kepha31 ...Nah! Cant go with you there...sorry :)
     
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    lol, he has a gun for that then :)
     
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    I agree with Kepha's post - and I might add:

    - Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
    - Jesus established ONE Church (Matt. 16:16-19). He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). There is NO other.
    - Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
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    Jesus, who IS Truth itself (John 14:6) identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
    - The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23), who is Truth.
    - The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
     
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    Yes I do, it is a wonderful revelation, that sadly many will kill to prevent.

    And it's not even mentioned in the Bible, but you all know it. You say it all the time, and you are mocked because of it. But everything needs it and is dependant on it.
     
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    truth?
     
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    "The Holy Father’s"
    for me it started at "Holy Father," i mean who is this person, from Scripture? He simply...is not. Unless k meant "God," which i don't think he did. So then i highly doubt that some Special Person loves truth, as Scripture denies this also.
     
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    The actual truth is not mentioned in the Bible.

    I'll prove it to you.

    What is the truth?

    As in why did God make this universe and us.


    It's a one word answer, you say it all the time.

    It's a........what?
     
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    i def agree there, yes
     
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    no idea
     
  18. breathofdesire

    breathofdesire Active Member

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    It's a Relationship

    That's why God made this whole universe, to have a relationship with us.

    See, you knew that.
     
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    breathofdesire Active Member

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    See Christians coin that phrase "Relationship" all the time.

    So learn how to have the best relationships you can have here, because the real one starts in heaven.
     
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    well said imo
     
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