Acts 2: 38-39

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Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Who can explain what verse 39 means?
 

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It means that the gift of the Holy Spirit wasn't just for that generation, or just for the Jews, but for all Christians.
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It means that the gift of the Holy Spirit wasn't just for that generation, or just for the Jews, but for all Christians.
And children?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Mom and Dad repent and get baptized and get the Holy Ghost....

It is a promise to them and to their children..........

So the children get baptized to receive the Holy Ghost????

Elsewhere is a pointed debate on the baptism of infants.... which is claimed and is true it is not mentioned in the bible.... so I thought of that when I saw this.
 

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Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Who can explain what verse 39 means?
Dear Rella,
"you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off" is referring only to Jews. The revelation that salvation was also for the Gentiles was not given until later (Acts 11).

Also, verse 38 is referring to the Early Rain of the Spirit and not to the Latter Rain of the Spirit (also called the baptism of the Spirit).

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

The Apostles received the Early Rain of the Spirit during Christ's ministry. This is evidenced by their recognition that Jesus was the Christ and by their confession of faith. The Apostles received the Latter Rain of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost.

Conversion and salvation require both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit.

The Early Rain of the Spirit is given by Christ so that a person will have a "measure of faith", make a confession of faith and have certain spiritual gifts. With the Early Rain, a person is called out from the world and will enter the church. Only after Christ gives this gift to a person are they to be baptized in water. Then, just as the Apostles had to do, the new believer must wait on the Lord to "come again" to pour out the Latter Rain.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

The Early Rain will leave a new believer spiritually blind and carnally minded. Because it does, Christ will only appear to the new believer in the flesh. In other words, the new believer will only understand the truth of God (Christ) in a carnal way just as the Apostles did after they first believed. It is only after a believer receives the Latter Rain of the Spirit that the person's spiritual blindness will be healed and the truth of God will open up to their understanding.

Joe
 

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Acts 2:38-39

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Who can explain what verse 39 means?
We are all welcome to accept God's gift of forgiveness, if we repent.
 

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And children?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Mom and Dad repent and get baptized and get the Holy Ghost....

It is a promise to them and to their children..........

So the children get baptized to receive the Holy Ghost????

Elsewhere is a pointed debate on the baptism of infants.... which is claimed and is true it is not mentioned in the bible.... so I thought of that when I saw this.
In Jewish thought, "children" meant descendants (including grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and so on ad infinitum). Of course children (in age) can become Christians, be forgiven, and receive the Holy Spirit. But I don't think this verse is referring to infant baptism, because Peter says that baptism follows repentance.
 
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In Jewish thought, "children" meant descendants (including grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and so on ad infinitum). Of course children (in age) can become Christians, be forgiven, and receive the Holy Spirit.
Thank you.
But we must always be aware that there were obvious exceptions.

1st, regarding children ( which would have included infants) we are told by Paul in 1 Cor 7:14

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

What does this sanctification mean. Got Questions answers (in part)

To be sanctified is to be “set apart.” Synonyms for sanctified are holy, consecrated, and hallowed. The Bible speaks of things being “sanctified,” and people, such as the Israelites (Leviticus 20:7–8) and Christians (Ephesians 5:26).

For a thing to be sanctified means it is set apart for a special use.
Things that are sanctified are reserved for God’s purposes and should not be used for mundane tasks.

Jesus spoke of Himself as being sanctified in John 17:19; in other words, He is holy and “set apart” from sin. His followers are to be similarly set apart from sin and for God’s use (see 1 Peter 1:16).

People who are sanctified are born again and therefore part of God’s family (Hebrews 2:11).
They are reserved for God’s use. They know “the sanctifying work of the Spirit” in their lives (1 Peter 1:2). They abstain from sexual immorality (1 Thessalonians 4:3). They understand they have been “called to be his holy people” (1 Corinthians 1:2).

Sanctify according to Webster: (in part)

sanctify​

verb

1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE
2: to free from sin : PURIFY

Why would Paul mention children IF they need to come to the age of reason???

Please read the following posted, in part, elsewhere. (The False Doctrine of Infant Baptism)

The earliest mention of infant baptism was by Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the childs spiritual training (as Godparents today).

Many say...
"...Infant baptism is not found anywhere in the Bible. There is not one example in the Bible of one single baby ever being baptized and its origins are largely pagan.

Yet
You are aware of the Jailer, Lydia, and Stephanus... all 3 had their households baptised.Their households. We often fail to mention....Acts 18:8 (NAS)8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Question.
Have you read anywhere in the bible or elsewhere that households did not include young children or infants?


See the following... emphasis mine.


Household - Bible Definition and Scripture References

Discover the meaning of Household in the Bible. Study the definition of Household with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments.
www.biblestudytools.com
www.biblestudytools.com
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Household

HOUSEHOLDhous'-hold:Three words are usually found in the Bible where the family is indicated. These three are the Hebrew word bayith and the Greek words oikia and oikos. The unit of the national life of Israel, from the very beginning, was found in the family.

In the old patriarchal days each family was complete within itself, the oldest living sire being the unquestioned head of the whole, possessed of almost arbitrary powers. The house and the household are practically synonymous.

God had called Abraham "that he might command his children and household after him" (Genesis 18:19). The Passover-lamb was to be eaten by the "household" (Exodus 12:3). The "households" of the rebels in the camp of Israel shared their doom (Numbers 16:31-33; Deuteronomy 11:6). David's household shares his humiliation (2 Samuel 15:16); the children everywhere in the Old Testament are the bearers of the sins of the fathers. Human life is not a conglomerate of individuals; the family is its center and unit.Nor is it different in the New Testament.

The curse and the blessing of the apostles are to abide on a house, according to its attitude (Matthew 10:13). A divided house falls (Mark 3:25).

The household believes with the head thereof (John 4:53; Acts 16:15,34).

Thus the households became the nuclei for the early life of the church, e.g. the house of Prisca and Aquila at Rome (Romans 16:5), of Stephanas (1 Corinthians 16:15), of Onesiphorus (2 Timothy 1:16), etc. No wonder that the early church made so much of the family life. And in the midst of all our modern, rampant individualism, the family is still the throbbing heart of the church as well as of the nation.

Henry E. Dosker

Further:
If family households did not consist of nuclear families in the modern understanding of a married couple and their children but were multigenerational (up to four generations... as history shows) and included the social arrangement of several families... related by blood and marriage... who lived in 2 or 3 connecting houses....

Inclusive of :
those who belong to the family household are mentioned a number of times in the Hebrew Bible
Gen 7 :1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time.
Gen 7:7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood.
Gen 36:6 Then Esau took his wives and his sons and his daughters and all his household, and his livestock and all his cattle and all his goods which he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to another land away from his brother Jacob
Gen 45:10 “You shall live in the land of Goshen, and you shall be near me, you and your children and your children’s children and your flocks and your herds and all that you have.
Gen 46:26 All the persons belonging to Jacob, who came to Egypt, his direct descendants, not including the wives of Jacob’s sons, were sixty-six persons in all,

OKAY... I'll stop posting verses.... The last one shows how many people would be in Jacobs "inner circle" as it were. These texts indicate that the family household was primarily a kinship system that included lineal descent and lateral extension: grandparents, adult male children and their wives and children, unmarried children, and widowed and divorced adult daughters who may have had children.

Thus, it’s not just a matter of a nuclear family but of extended family , which makes it all the more likely that children would typically be present in a biblical “household.”

It’s very difficult, highly improbable, logically and exegetically, and in light of relevant historical knowledge, to concludes that a biblical “household” could not possibly contain small children.


Conclusion: Without writing an entire book this provides an understanding of the precise meaning of a biblical “household.”

And say with certainty If they usually contained children, then the Bible virtually describes infant baptism...

 

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Thank you.
But we must always be aware that there were obvious exceptions.

1st, regarding children ( which would have included infants) we are told by Paul in 1 Cor 7:14

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

What does this sanctification mean. Got Questions answers (in part)

To be sanctified is to be “set apart.” Synonyms for sanctified are holy, consecrated, and hallowed. The Bible speaks of things being “sanctified,” and people, such as the Israelites (Leviticus 20:7–8) and Christians (Ephesians 5:26).

For a thing to be sanctified means it is set apart for a special use.
Things that are sanctified are reserved for God’s purposes and should not be used for mundane tasks.

Jesus spoke of Himself as being sanctified in John 17:19; in other words, He is holy and “set apart” from sin. His followers are to be similarly set apart from sin and for God’s use (see 1 Peter 1:16).

People who are sanctified are born again and therefore part of God’s family (Hebrews 2:11). They are reserved for God’s use. They know “the sanctifying work of the Spirit” in their lives (1 Peter 1:2). They abstain from sexual immorality (1 Thessalonians 4:3). They understand they have been “called to be his holy people” (1 Corinthians 1:2).

Sanctify according to Webster: (in part)

sanctify​

verb

1: to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE
2: to free from sin : PURIFY

Why would Paul mention children IF they need to come to the age of reason???

Please read the following posted, in part, elsewhere. (The False Doctrine of Infant Baptism)

The earliest mention of infant baptism was by Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the childs spiritual training (as Godparents today).

Many say...
"...Infant baptism is not found anywhere in the Bible. There is not one example in the Bible of one single baby ever being baptized and its origins are largely pagan.

Yet
You are aware of the Jailer, Lydia, and Stephanus... all 3 had their households baptised.Their households. We often fail to mention....Acts 18:8 (NAS)8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Question.
Have you read anywhere in the bible or elsewhere that households did not include young children or infants?


See the following... emphasis mine.


Household - Bible Definition and Scripture References

Discover the meaning of Household in the Bible. Study the definition of Household with multiple Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias and find scripture references in the Old and New Testaments.
www.biblestudytools.com
www.biblestudytools.com
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Household

HOUSEHOLDhous'-hold:Three words are usually found in the Bible where the family is indicated. These three are the Hebrew word bayith and the Greek words oikia and oikos. The unit of the national life of Israel, from the very beginning, was found in the family.

In the old patriarchal days each family was complete within itself, the oldest living sire being the unquestioned head of the whole, possessed of almost arbitrary powers. The house and the household are practically synonymous.

God had called Abraham "that he might command his children and household after him" (Genesis 18:19). The Passover-lamb was to be eaten by the "household" (Exodus 12:3). The "households" of the rebels in the camp of Israel shared their doom (Numbers 16:31-33; Deuteronomy 11:6). David's household shares his humiliation (2 Samuel 15:16); the children everywhere in the Old Testament are the bearers of the sins of the fathers. Human life is not a conglomerate of individuals; the family is its center and unit.Nor is it different in the New Testament.

The curse and the blessing of the apostles are to abide on a house, according to its attitude (Matthew 10:13). A divided house falls (Mark 3:25).

The household believes with the head thereof (John 4:53; Acts 16:15,34).

Thus the households became the nuclei for the early life of the church, e.g. the house of Prisca and Aquila at Rome (Romans 16:5), of Stephanas (1 Corinthians 16:15), of Onesiphorus (2 Timothy 1:16), etc. No wonder that the early church made so much of the family life. And in the midst of all our modern, rampant individualism, the family is still the throbbing heart of the church as well as of the nation.

Henry E. Dosker

Further:
If family households did not consist of nuclear families in the modern understanding of a married couple and their children but were multigenerational (up to four generations... as history shows) and included the social arrangement of several families... related by blood and marriage... who lived in 2 or 3 connecting houses....

Inclusive of :
those who belong to the family household are mentioned a number of times in the Hebrew Bible
Gen 7 :1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time.
Gen 7:7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood.
Gen 36:6 Then Esau took his wives and his sons and his daughters and all his household, and his livestock and all his cattle and all his goods which he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to another land away from his brother Jacob
Gen 45:10 “You shall live in the land of Goshen, and you shall be near me, you and your children and your children’s children and your flocks and your herds and all that you have.
Gen 46:26 All the persons belonging to Jacob, who came to Egypt, his direct descendants, not including the wives of Jacob’s sons, were sixty-six persons in all,

OKAY... I'll stop posting verses.... The last one shows how many people would be in Jacobs "inner circle" as it were. These texts indicate that the family household was primarily a kinship system that included lineal descent and lateral extension: grandparents, adult male children and their wives and children, unmarried children, and widowed and divorced adult daughters who may have had children.

Thus, it’s not just a matter of a nuclear family but of extended family , which makes it all the more likely that children would typically be present in a biblical “household.”

It’s very difficult, highly improbable, logically and exegetically, and in light of relevant historical knowledge, to concludes that a biblical “household” could not possibly contain small children.


Conclusion: Without writing an entire book this provides an understanding of the precise meaning of a biblical “household.”

And say with certainty If they usually contained children, then the Bible virtually describes infant baptism...

That's as may be, but we were discussing Acts 2:38,39, and there's no justification for infant (as opposed to child) baptism there.
 

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That's as may be, but we were discussing Acts 2:38,39, and there's no justification for infant (as opposed to child) baptism there.
Fair enough.

Cannot help but wonder when an infant becomes a child?

38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

Now, Correct me if I am wrong.... And I know you will but I read the promise is specific and not baptism for the forgiveness of sins directed to children or all who were afar off.... but
the Gift of the Holy Spirit.... for as many as God will call.

A couple of commentaries read this way.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
2:37-41 From the first delivery of that Divine message, it appeared that there was Divine power going with it; and thousands were brought to the obedience of faith. But neither Peter's words, nor the miracle they witnessed, could have produced such effects, had not the Holy Spirit been given. Sinners, when their eyes are opened, cannot but be pricked to the heart for sin, cannot but feel an inward uneasiness. The apostle exhorted them to repent of their sins, and openly to avow their belief in Jesus as the Messiah, by being baptized in his name. Thus professing their faith in Him, they would receive remission of their sins, and partake of the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit. To separate from wicked people, is the only way to save ourselves from them. Those who repent of their sins, and give up themselves to Jesus Christ, must prove their sincerity by breaking off from the wicked. We must save ourselves from them; which denotes avoiding them with dread and holy fear. By God's grace three thousand persons accepted the gospel invitation. There can be no doubt that the gift of the Holy Ghost, which they all received, and from which no true believer has ever been shut out, was that Spirit of adoption, that converting, guiding, sanctifying grace, which is bestowed upon all the members of the family of our heavenly Father. Repentance and remission of sins are still preached to the chief of sinners, in the Redeemer's name; still the Holy Spirit seals the blessing on the believer's heart; still the encouraging promises are to us and our children; and still the blessings are offered to all that are afar off.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
39. the promise is unto you, and to your children] Just as “to Abraham and his seed were the promises made” (Galatians 3:16), so is it to be under the new covenant.

Expositor's Greek Testament
Acts 2:39. ὑμῖν γὰρ: the promise was made to the very men who had invoked upon themselves and upon their children, St. Matthew 27:25, the blood of the Crucified.