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Folks think water baptism is REPLACED by Spirit baptism.
Evidently , Peter was a hearer and a doer . HE did not think this .
For in the house of cornelious they had recieved the baptism of the SPIRIT and spoke with tongues
and still peter says , IS there any water here ....................
IF JESUS said DO we DO . IF HE said not to , we do not . ITs real simple . Now let the KING be praised .
 

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Evidently , Peter was a hearer and a doer . HE did not think this .
For in the house of cornelious they had recieved the baptism of the SPIRIT and spoke with tongues
and still peter says , IS there any water here ....................
IF JESUS said DO we DO . IF HE said not to , we do not . ITs real simple . Now let the KING be praised .

Can't go wrong sticking with Peter!

Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat,

but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers."


Peace be with you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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Funny, the Acts 2:38 command of Peter pertaining to the remission of the sins of 3000 people at Pentecost are now considered by modernists...a ritual.

Either Peter was a flunky or modernists are.

You choose.
Please drop the attitude and listen. You are so convinced that Peter was speaking about water baptism that you aren't hearing other voices, who are trying to help you see the truth of the matter. Consider Matthew 3:11, where John tells the people that he baptizes with water, but Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire. This is our first clue that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is not immersion into water.

Next, consider Acts 19:3-4, wherein we come to understand that being baptized "into John" means being immersed in his teaching. The disciples were immersed in John's teaching, which is why Paul can remind them that John anticipated the coming of the messiah, which turned out to be Jesus the Christ.

Then consider Matthew 28:16-20, where Jesus instructs the Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He is not giving the apostles a formulaic incantation suggesting that they must mouth those words. No. Instead, we baptize in the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit because these three are the teachers. Just as being baptized into John indicates immersion in John's teaching, being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit indicates being immersed in their teaching.

Then consider 1Corinthians 1:10-17 where Paul is critical of the disunity and factions that have developed in that city. Here we see the great misunderstanding that developed concerning the rite of baptism. It was generally understood that those who were baptized by John, were John's disciples and dedicated to his teaching. That is, baptism into John is immersion in his teaching. Given this understanding of baptism, Jesus warned the apostles to baptize in his name, not in their own name. For instance, those whom Peter baptized were not to be Peter's disciples; they are to be Jesus' disciples. Those whom Apollos baptized were not Apollos' disciples; they were supposed to be Jesus disciples. But the Corinthians misunderstood, thinking themselves to be the disciples of the one who baptized them one would say, I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.”

What is the point of all this? John baptized with water, and so did the apostles. But Jesus never baptized with water. Instead, Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with Fire. When John baptized in water, it was understood that this act was the initiation into an immersion into John's teaching. However, when the Apostles baptized in water, it was understood that this act was the initiation into an immersion into the teaching of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We are not immersed into the teaching of the one who baptized us; we become disciples of Jesus Christ.

But the true baptism, the one true baptism is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Paul hints at this in his epistle to the Ephesians, chapter one, where he points out that after the Ephesians believed, they were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. In his letter to the Galatians he talks about the fruit of the Spirit. In his epistle to the Romans he speaks about the mind set on the Spirit. Romans 8:9-11

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
 

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Evidently , Peter was a hearer and a doer . HE did not think this .
For in the house of cornelious they had recieved the baptism of the SPIRIT and spoke with tongues
and still peter says , IS there any water here ....................
IF JESUS said DO we DO . IF HE said not to , we do not . ITs real simple . Now let the KING be praised .
Bingo!
 
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Please drop the attitude and listen. You are so convinced that Peter was speaking about water baptism that you aren't hearing other voices, who are trying to help you see the truth of the matter. Consider Matthew 3:11, where John tells the people that he baptizes with water, but Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire. This is our first clue that being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is not immersion into water.

Next, consider Acts 19:3-4, wherein we come to understand that being baptized "into John" means being immersed in his teaching. The disciples were immersed in John's teaching, which is why Paul can remind them that John anticipated the coming of the messiah, which turned out to be Jesus the Christ.

Then consider Matthew 28:16-20, where Jesus instructs the Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He is not giving the apostles a formulaic incantation suggesting that they must mouth those words. No. Instead, we baptize in the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit because these three are the teachers. Just as being baptized into John indicates immersion in John's teaching, being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit indicates being immersed in their teaching.

Then consider 1Corinthians 1:10-17 where Paul is critical of the disunity and factions that have developed in that city. Here we see the great misunderstanding that developed concerning the rite of baptism. It was generally understood that those who were baptized by John, were John's disciples and dedicated to his teaching. That is, baptism into John is immersion in his teaching. Given this understanding of baptism, Jesus warned the apostles to baptize in his name, not in their own name. For instance, those whom Peter baptized were not to be Peter's disciples; they are to be Jesus' disciples. Those whom Apollos baptized were not Apollos' disciples; they were supposed to be Jesus disciples. But the Corinthians misunderstood, thinking themselves to be the disciples of the one who baptized them one would say, I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.”

What is the point of all this? John baptized with water, and so did the apostles. But Jesus never baptized with water. Instead, Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with Fire. When John baptized in water, it was understood that this act was the initiation into an immersion into John's teaching. However, when the Apostles baptized in water, it was understood that this act was the initiation into an immersion into the teaching of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We are not immersed into the teaching of the one who baptized us; we become disciples of Jesus Christ.

But the true baptism, the one true baptism is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Paul hints at this in his epistle to the Ephesians, chapter one, where he points out that after the Ephesians believed, they were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. In his letter to the Galatians he talks about the fruit of the Spirit. In his epistle to the Romans he speaks about the mind set on the Spirit. Romans 8:9-11

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Okay, let's see...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...or as you prefer...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Which makes more sense?
 
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Folks think water baptism is REPLACED by Spirit baptism.


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit , and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 
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Okay, let's see...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...or as you prefer...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Which makes more sense?
You don't seem to be listening. You don't seem to have considered the scriptures I presented. You haven't yet understood that being baptized "in the name of Jesus" doesn't necessarily require water. The phrase "baptized in the name of Jesus" indicates immersion in the teaching of Jesus regardless of whether or not an individual also got into a tank of water. Peter tells you this also saying, "not the removal of dirt from the body."

Take some time to prayerfully study the passages.
 

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You don't seem to be listening. You don't seem to have considered the scriptures I presented. You haven't yet understood that being baptized "in the name of Jesus" doesn't necessarily require water. The phrase "baptized in the name of Jesus" indicates immersion in the teaching of Jesus regardless of whether or not an individual also got into a tank of water. Peter tells you this also saying, "not the removal of dirt from the body."

Take some time to prayerfully study the passages.
Is that what Acts 2:38 is saying?

Not water baptism.

Is Acts 2:38 instead, saying this?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Does Peter stutter?
 

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Is that what Acts 2:38 is saying?

Not water baptism.

Is Acts 2:38 instead, saying this?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Does Peter stutter?


I think that person is saying the "disciples" gave out the Holy Spirit (pre-pentecost)...

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
 

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I think that person is saying the "disciples" gave out the Holy Spirit (pre-pentecost)...

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
You mean, before the Holy Ghost was given because Jesus was not yet glorified?
 

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Is that what Acts 2:38 is saying?

Not water baptism.

Is Acts 2:38 instead, saying this?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins BY THE HOLY GHOST, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Does Peter stutter?
Peter is talking about several things all at once. He is talking about becoming a disciple of Christ, which, during that time period involved the rite of water baptism. But water baptism isn't significant as Peter says in his epistle.
 

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Peter is talking about several things all at once. He is talking about becoming a disciple of Christ, which, during that time period involved the rite of water baptism. But water baptism isn't significant as Peter says in his epistle.
Let's break down the "several things" of Acts 2:38...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

#1....Repent,

#2....be baptized ....in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

#3....receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Now, pretty clear, huh?
 

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Let's break down the "several things" of Acts 2:38...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

#1....Repent,

#2....be baptized ....in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

#3....receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Now, pretty clear, huh?


Exactly. If we apply the gospel of Christ, we will find Life. The gospel is the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus, which is applied in the salvation application in the book of Acts...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent = Death
Water Baptism = Burial
Receive Holy Spirit = Resurrection
 
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Exactly. If we apply the gospel of Christ, we will find Life. The gospel is the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus, which is applied in the salvation application in the book of Acts...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent = Death
Water Baptism = Burial
Receive Holy Spirit = Resurrection
The anti-Acts 2:38 bunch only want the resurrection.:)

They are too scared to die and be buried.:eek:

What a bunch of spiritual cowards.:(
 

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Let's break down the "several things" of Acts 2:38...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

#1....Repent,

#2....be baptized ....in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

#3....receive the gift of the Holy Ghost


Now, pretty clear, huh?
Now deal with the other scriptures I mentioned.
 

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Now deal with the other scriptures I mentioned.
I love them all.

They all point to Acts 2:38.

Anti-baptismalists attempt to teach that they debunk Peter.

Anti-baptismalists think they are Acts busters.
 
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I love them all.

They all point to Acts 2:38.

Anti-baptismalists attempt to teach that they debunk Peter.

Anti-baptismalists think they are Acts busters.
Okay then, what is the meaning of Baptism?
 

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Okay then, what is the meaning of Baptism?

Acts 2:38 contends for repentance and baptism as requisites for forgiveness of sin.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 

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Acts 2:38 contends for repentance and baptism as requisites for forgiveness of sin.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

I always took John 3:5 to be literal. When we are first born, we are born of water. The mother's water breaks and only then, for the first time in the baby's life, the baby is out of the water. John 3:5 talks about being born, not baptism.