Actually Jesus returns twice...

[The Light]

???? I'm not following you....Where does Rev 14 mention anything like 1 Cor 15. Perhaps it's there but I missed it.

To understand Revelation, you need to understand what you are reading.

For instance, when you are reading Revelation 14, we see there are 144,000 redeemed from the earth as first fruits unto God. When you have acceptable first fruits presented unto God that is a guarantee of a harvest. If the first fruits are pumpkins, we know the harvest is pumpkins. Since the first fruits are 12,000 from each tribe of twelve, we know the harvest is of the 12 tribes. So basically, these verses tell us that there is a second rapture. The first rapture is the rapture of the Church. The second rapture is of the 12 tribes across the earth.

We can further prove this by Hosea 9:10

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

God saw the fathers of Israel as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time. But they served Baalpeor, so they would no longer be the first harvest. Those of the 12 tribes become the second harvest. The Church will be the first harvest. The fig tree has harvests. Learn the parable of the fig tree.

So as to your question, how do we know that 1 Corinthians 15 is the second harvest and is found in Revelation 14.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The Feast of Trumpets is a fall harvest feast. Fruit is harvested in the fall. The LAST TRUMP is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. We can also see that the harvest of Revelation 14 is a harvest of grapes making it at the time of the fall harvest.

Revelation 14
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

The Church is the grain harvest. Barley and wheat. Barley (the dead in Christ) is harvested in the spring and wheat (the alive that remained) is harvested at the end of summer.

Sounds like you're playing Chutes and Ladders.

It just a matter of understanding what you are reading. When the 7th trumpet sounds which is in the 7th seal, Armageddon is over. It's finished. End of story. The wrath of God is over. It's the time of judgment. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So when you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are getting more information of what happens in the first six seals. When you are reading Revelation 16 it just more information of what happens in the wrath of God, the 7th seal.

 

[CrowCross]

Revelation 14
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

This verse isn't good news for you if you see the sickle.

 

[rebuilder 454]

One of the purposes of this thread was to show there is more than one return of Christ Jesus. I would also say that is biblically undeniable. There is more than one return of Jesus.

Then you brought up Rev 14. My initial thought was to push back...As the description is "like the son of man" Not "the" son of man...then I read Daniel 7.

13“I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.

This Dan 13 verse about Jesus pretty much matches Rev 14....14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, .....The verse continues and certainly doesn't come close to matching the verses of Christ return in Rev 19. Rev 14 also lacks a white horse. In fact the verse is closer in resemblance to 1 Thes 4:16ish than Rev 19:11.
Thing is, when Jesus ascended and returns in the same way...

So we know Rev 14 isn't Rev 19...but could it be 1 Thes 4? I'm leaning towards, no.
If Revelation is in a chronological order this event is after the mark of the beast decree in the previous chapter.

Could Rev 14 be....Mark 14:62“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.” From that description the answer is yes.

We also know when Jesus left He wasn't reaping like Rev 14 describes...

As of this moment rebuilder 454 I'm not 100% convinced....but by you presenting Rev 14 as a 3rd return....you moved the needle.

Wha I have failed to see is the a-mill opinion Jesus returns once merge all the description into one event.

Glad to hear it.
1) the Jewish gathering is in Romans 9-11.
2) the Jewish wife is in Hosea, and Ruth.
3) the first miracle of Jesus was at a wedding...a Jewish wedding.
In God's kingdom, the last is first and the first is last. They are interchangeable.
At the miracle of the first wedding it was declared "you saved the best for last "

IOW, The first miracle HAD TO BE at a Jewish wedding.
The Jews come in last.
4) THE CHURCH AGE is finished at the pretrib rapture. The 7byr trib is JACOB'S TROUBLE.
Israel's trouble, Jewish trouble.
5) The Purpose of the Tribulation is the Jewish covenant people being plowed up and prepared for The Appearance of Jesus coming in the clouds for them. The Jews are saves when they see the Messiah and call out to the Messiah who they have been waiting for.

Rev 14 is a Jewish only gathering.
3 comings.

 

[The Light]

This verse isn't good news for you if you see the sickle.

Here is the good news of Rev 14 for the 12 tribes.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

The point was to show that this rapture occurs in the fall fruit harvest. The Church is raptured in the grain harvest (1 Thes 4)

 

[The Light]

4) THE CHURCH AGE is finished at the pretrib rapture. The 7byr trib is JACOB'S TROUBLE.
Israel's trouble, Jewish trouble.

There is no 7 year tribulation. The Church is NOT in the ark 7 days before the flood.

There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel. Time, Times and half a time.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.