Adam and Eve Never Rebounded

[bbyrd009]

you might currently define "rebound" as "repent," but note that there is none in the Fall account, unless i am just missing it.
No rebound, and God seems completely unruffled nonetheless.

 

[bbyrd009]

hmm, no Fall either, interesting, huh? Seems to be a manufactured perspective, can't quote it anywhere!

 

[Windmill Charge]

hmm, no Fall either, interesting, huh? Seems to be a manufactured perspective, can't quote it anywhere!

No you are right that the bible does not, in genesis, record Adam and Eve as saying sorry to God.
But there is God's provission of clothing for them.
Animals were killed and skinned to provide their apparel. In that provission is seen the first animal sacrifices for sin and Adam and Eves acceptance of the clothing as partitipating in the sacrifcial system.

The 'Fall' is the change in relationship with God, going from meeting with God to hiding away from God.

 

[bbyrd009]

But there is God's provission of clothing for them.

them, unrepentant sinners, yes

 

[bbyrd009]

In that provission is seen the first animal sacrifices for sin and Adam and Eves acceptance of the clothing as partitipating in the sacrifcial system.

that is apparently the popular perspective, yes
i would keep an open mind there

The 'Fall' is the change in relationship with God, going from meeting with God to hiding away from God.

so you say, and i am inclined to agree, but nonetheless no "Fall" can be developed from Scripture, that is strictly a pov

 

[michaelvpardo]

you might currently define "rebound" as "repent," but note that there is none in the Fall account, unless i am just missing it.
No rebound, and God seems completely unruffled nonetheless.

Didn't know they played basketball back then.
But seriously folks, Adam and Eve were the recipients of what is known as the protoevangel, the promise that Eve would bear one that would crush the head of the serpent, which was the original good news or gospel. Since humans experience the passage of time, no one was redeemed until Christ was sacrificed upon the cross, but from God's perspective all the saints who looked forward to His coming and all the saints that look back to the cross have their redemption in the same person and through the same blood.

 

[michaelvpardo]

that is apparently the popular perspective, yes
i would keep an open mind there
so you say, and i am inclined to agree, but nonetheless no "Fall" can be developed from Scripture, that is strictly a pov

The fall of man refers to the curses and the original warning about the price of disobedience. Our English translations use the phrase " you (or thou) shall surely die", but the Hebrew is more like "in dying you shall die." This describes "spiritual death" or separation from God. The curses upon Adam and Eve have the spiritual effect of falling upon all their descendants because that breath God placed in Adam is still the same breath we are born with. Life comes from life as a continuous stream, though with a nature polluted by Adam and Eve's sin, hence "the fall."

 

[Dcopymope]

you might currently define "rebound" as "repent," but note that there is none in the Fall account, unless i am just missing it.
No rebound, and God seems completely unruffled nonetheless.

He knew what was going to happen and you seem surprised that he was unruffled or unfazed by it?

 

[aspen]

No you are right that the bible does not, in genesis, record Adam and Eve as saying sorry to God.
But there is God's provission of clothing for them.
Animals were killed and skinned to provide their apparel. In that provission is seen the first animal sacrifices for sin and Adam and Eves acceptance of the clothing as partitipating in the sacrifcial system.

The 'Fall' is the change in relationship with God, going from meeting with God to hiding away from God.

The skins represented ego. Put in place to protect us from ourselves until Jesus came for us

 

[bbyrd009]

Didn't know they played basketball back then.

repent is a terrible way to translate metaneo imo, implies penance, whether it is from the same root or not, to ppls minds iow. There is no penance in metaneo

 

[bbyrd009]

He knew what was going to happen and you seem surprised that he was unruffled or unfazed by it?

ha no the point is that God did not appear to need rebound from A&E in order to precipitate a change in His behavior toward them, which did not change. Iow basically the same mechanism we observe in parents with toddlers

 

[bbyrd009]

The skins represented ego. Put in place to protect us from ourselves until Jesus came for us

i guess that is a better spot for ego than getting the knowledge, ya

 

[michaelvpardo]

repent is a terrible way to translate metaneo imo, implies penance, whether it is from the same root or not, to ppls minds iow. There is no penance in metaneo

Salvation is the work of God from start to finish. Repentance is God's work in us. From the time of the curse in Genesis up to the resurrection of Christ people could be annointed with the Holy Spirit, such as kings, priests and prophets, and in order to do God's work (such as writing the scripture) but the Holy Spirit was not given to indwell men until the redemption price was paid with the blood of our Savior. Men like Samson had the Holy Spirit come upon them, we who believe Christ are given the Holy Spirit within us, like Adam receiving the breath of God as molded clay.

 

[amadeus]

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But there is God's provission of clothing for them.
Animals were killed and skinned to provide their apparel. In that provission is seen the first animal sacrifices for sin and Adam and Eves acceptance of the clothing as partitipating in the sacrifcial system.

But notice that the scripture does not specify that the skins were animal skins and it certainly does not say that any animals were killed in order to provide them.

A friend of mine long ago suggested that the skins God provided were the human skin that cover each of us. Adam and Eve apparently looked like God prior to their disobedience, but how close was that to our appearance today? Adam and Eve were changed when they sinned. Did they not lose the image of God? What they looked like before they were given those skins may not have been like a naked human looks today at all. What they would have looked like after sinning, but before receiving human skin would also really be an unknown or worse...

Then again, the question, was there really an animal sacrifice made at that time?

 

[Dcopymope]

But notice that the scripture does not specify that the skins were animal skins and it certainly does not say that any animals were killed in order to provide them.

A friend of mine long ago suggested that the skins God provided were the human skin that cover each of us. Adam and Eve apparently looked like God prior to their disobedience, but how close was that to our appearance today? Adam and Eve were changed when they sinned. Did they not lose the image of God? What they looked like before they were given those skins may not have been like a naked human looks today at all. What they would have looked like after sinning, but before receiving human skin would also really be an unknown or worse...

Then again, the question, was there really an animal sacrifice made at that time?

Did they lose the image of God??? Nope

(Genesis 9:6-7) "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. {7} And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein."

(James 3:9) "Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God."

You wouldn't be getting verses like this if humanity still wasn't Gods image bearers even in its fallen state. So where does this leave the weirdo theory of God making human skin for Adam and Eve after the fall? Would something that's pure spirit see itself as "naked"?

(1 Corinthians 15:42-48) "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: {43} It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: {44} It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. {45} And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. {46} Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. {47} The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. {48} As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly."

If the first Adam was of the earth to start with then that means he was already a fleshly being.

 

[Windmill Charge]

But notice that the scripture does not specify that the skins were animal skins and it certainly does not say that any animals were killed in order to provide them.

A friend of mine long ago suggested that the skins God provided were the human skin that cover each of us. Adam and Eve apparently looked like God prior to their disobedience, but how close was that to our appearance today? Adam and Eve were changed when they sinned. Did they not lose the image of God? What they looked like before they were given those skins may not have been like a naked human looks today at all. What they would have looked like after sinning, but before receiving human skin would also really be an unknown or worse...

Then again, the question, was there really an animal sacrifice made at that time?

When they ate, their eyes were openand they saw that they were 'naked' and they made aprons of leaves to cover their nakedness.
God is Spirit and Adam was flesh and blood, so being in the image of God cannot mean he looked like Gopd but that he shared characteristics of God's character.

It logically follows that from the killing of animals to clothe Adam and Eve that animal sacrifices are a continuation of that first killing of animals and so on to Jesus's sacrifice.

 

[amadeus]

When they ate, their eyes were openand they saw that they were 'naked' and they made aprons of leaves to cover their nakedness.
God is Spirit and Adam was flesh and blood, so being in the image of God cannot mean he looked like Gopd but that he shared characteristics of God's character.

It logically follows that from the killing of animals to clothe Adam and Eve that animal sacrifices are a continuation of that first killing of animals and so on to Jesus's sacrifice.

Oh I do not really disagree. It was just an old thought that your post brought to mind. The thing that makes me wonder more than anything is whether God needed to or actually did kill animals to get them. That part does raise a question even though the way you presented it has always fit better than anything else.

 

[bbyrd009]

But notice that the scripture does not specify that the skins were animal skins and it certainly does not say that any animals were killed in order to provide them.

A friend of mine long ago suggested that the skins God provided were the human skin that cover each of us. Adam and Eve apparently looked like God prior to their disobedience, but how close was that to our appearance today? Adam and Eve were changed when they sinned. Did they not lose the image of God? What they looked like before they were given those skins may not have been like a naked human looks today at all. What they would have looked like after sinning, but before receiving human skin would also really be an unknown or worse...

Then again, the question, was there really an animal sacrifice made at that time?

nice, i am leaning towards Aspen's "ego" there, at least for now

 

[bbyrd009]

When they ate, their eyes were openand they saw that they were 'naked' and they made aprons of leaves to cover their nakedness.

i always imagined this to be the ego, prolly will settle back there i guess

 

[Helen]

For me much too much focus is put on 'repenting' when salvation is all about Jesus..and what He did, not what we do. But the 'repent' side of things if often made more important...what He did saves us, not what we do or have done. But you already know that.