Age-during vs Eternal

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logabe

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Madad21 said:
Lets start with
1 Corinthians 15:23
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Christ is the first fruits, others had been raised before him, but though they were raised they would only die again later.
Christ was the first to be raised in to life with a glorified body.
And then all those who belong to him.

Who are those who belong to him according to Pauls teaching?

Well if we look at the start the chapter Pauls tells us straight away

1 Corinthians 15
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

What does Paul say concerning Christ being risen from the dead?

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

Now Paul speaks hypothetically here obviously.

But there are so many around the world who have refused to believe in the resurrection of Christ, so if what Paul is saying hypothetically here is a true analogy for faith, then that must mean those who deny Christ are Lost for they die in their sins.

So according to Paul who are those who belong to him? ...Those who believe in the Gospel
And what is the Gospel?..... Christ's Death, burial and resurrection.

Is it wise to read and understand a whole chapter before posting random verses.....yes

Psalm 145:20

The Lord preserves all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy

Revelation 20:10,14-15

10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire

And just incase you say "day and night for ever and ever." doesn't mean forever

Matthew 10:18 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Whats the opposite of eternal life, because the gift of God here isn't "age-abiding" life.


Really?
Dont you believe that even those who have died in their sin will eventually have salvation?

Regardless of what the Bible teaches about those who reject Christ?

Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14"For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it," (Matt. 7:13-14)

"And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea,it is the remnant that will be saved; 28for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly," (Rom. 9:27).
Madad... God preserves those who recognize His character and His nature. Many are called, but few are
CHOSEN. Called for what? Acts 3:25 says,

25 "It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant
which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, 'AND IN
YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.'

What seed is Peter talking about? Gal. 3:26-29 says,

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and
heirs according to the promise.

In other words, if you truly believe in the Word of God (the SEED), by having faith in what God has
spoken, then you will be CHOSEN to live in the Tabernacle Age where we will inherit the Kingdom.
We will receive the immortal body and have the power to bless all the families of the earth, by turning
them from their evil ways (Acts 3:26).

26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him
to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked
ways."

God is doing the same thing today. He is calling many to believe in His Words. He gives us the Seed of
Love, the Seed of joy, the Seed of Peace, the Seed of longsuffering, the Seed of gentleness, the Seed of
goodness, the Seed of faith, the Seed of meekness, the Seed of temperance, and against such there is no
law. In essence, God gives us His nature through His Words to practice through the Spirit. When His word
has matured in our life, it is called fruit (Gal. 5:22).

In other words, what God is destroying is the OLD MAN ADAM inside of us. Some of us will hang on to
the old man by not maturing the Seed that God has planted in the garden of their heart. They will use their
abilities and not the ability of the power of the Spirit, and therefore, just like Esau, they will give up their
birthright, which is, the redemption of their body in the Tabernacle Age (Rom. 8:23).

23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first
fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of
our body.

God is looking for fruit and when He comes that is exactly what He will be looking for.

I said all of that to say this, God will destroy the wicked, the old man inside of everyone of us will be
destroyed... that is the purpose and the plan of God and it will come to pass. If a person that God calls,
learns to submit to His Spirit, that person will receive his reward in the 1st Resurrection, but a person that
loves God and doesn't build his foundation correctly, he will be saved , but he will lose his reward, and be
destroyed in the Tabernacles Age. In other words, he want received immortality until the 2nd Resurrection.

1st Cor. 3:15,

15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss ; but
he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

We are the first fruits, or the ones that have matured in this life. Most people want mature in this life, but
God in His Love and Mercy has provided a solution even to the ones that pierced him. He will use the mature
servants to bless the rest of creation in the Ages to come and all will remember and turn unto the Lord.

Ps. 22:27 says,

27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the
LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before
You.

Does all mean all?

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe