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Marcus O'Reillius

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n2thelight said:
The multitude in Heaven are those who have died in Christ,not raptured,these are those that return with Him...
I disagree.

The Great Multitude is comprised in the larger part with the billions of souls who precede us over the millennia (plural - even to precede Jesus' First Advent as with the example of Daniel in Dan 12).

Paul specifically links our being gathered up without experiencing death to their resurrection in 1Co 15 and 1Th 4.

When Jesus comes to gather up the Elect who remain and are still alive, He does so in 1Th 3:13 with those He has already assembled from Paradise with the Last Trumpet. That is an observer-true image that Paul gives those to whom he is teaching.

God does not need billions of souls, including women and children to fight the battle around Jerusalem and the Valley of Decision on the Day of the Lord. For that He has an Army: the 144,000 - who never leave the Lamb's side.
 

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keras said:
Marcus says:
1/ God will change His mind.
2/ His plans have failed.
3/ God reneges on His promises to Abraham.
​4/ and Marcus is worthy to be instantly whisked to heaven.

Do you have any followers for your teachings, Marcus?
No I don't on any of the accounts in points 1-3.

#4 - You do NOT get to determine who gets to Heaven.

Your pastor doesn't even read your writings. I'm sure he doesn't allow your "Bible Study Guides" to be taught in his church either.

Bible eschatology is not a democratic popularity contest. I need no followers in my study - but I do have a very mean-spirited adversary: keras.
 

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Is it 'mean spirited' to point out error to a fellow Christian?

Believing in a rapture to heaven is error. The Bible is quite clear about God's plans for His people and what He requires of us, for the present and in the future.
 

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keras said:
The Bible is quite clear about God's plans for His people
Oops! keras used the "clear" word.

I know after that is anything but "clear" - but is only his conclusion.

The Rapture to Heaven: it's in the Bible.
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
Oops! keras used the "clear" word.

I know after that is anything but "clear" - but is only his conclusion.

The Rapture to Heaven: it's in the Bible.
[comment removed]: Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Thess 3:4, 2 Thess 2:11

The reality is that a rapture removal of the Church to heaven, before Tribulation, or at any time, is not stated anywhere in the Bible. Saying that it is, is a lie.
 

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Ohhh my goodness, such misunderstandings.

Separate the wheat from the chaff.
This is the Mark.
True believers will be martyrs, those who are not will take the mark.

History repeats itself.

Same thing happened in Rome under general Decius who over-through emperor Justin.
Trajan Decius , aka. Caesar Gaius Messius Quintus Traianus Decius Augustus 249-251AD
Herennius Etruscus, aka. Quintus Herennius Etruscus Messius Decius Augustus

Soo Justin was a non confrontive kinda guy, let the christians live peacefully. Well Decius wasnt having it, killed Justin and then instituted pagan worship back into society.

Soo Decius wanted to trap the christians (like Daniel) and made it MANDATORY for all romans to bring a sacrifice for the gods.
Now, when you brought your sacrifice, you would be signed off and receive a certificate stating you followed orders and sacrificed.
I'm sure you can see where this is going.
Yes, if you did not have your certificate, you would be punished FINANCIALLY or PUT TO DEATH.
Sound familiar, Daniel, Revelation ect...

That was a true test of ones faith wasnt it?

Did the Christians of the time get raptured?
Did Daniel get raptured?
Did Noah get raptured?
Did Lot get raptured?

I suppose Enoch or Elijah could claim rapture, but not christians.

Modern day christians are deceived thinking they are better than christians of the past, LAODACIA is evident.

Oh, we will be tested, if we make it to that time alive, buckle up buttercup, its going to get wild.

Wanna know a not-secret?

America is the Rome of today.

"Come out of her my people, that you may not partake of her plagues."
"My people perish for a lack of knowledge."

Peace.
 
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