1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured All Israel will be saved

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by n2thelight, Feb 1, 2020.

  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,221
    Likes Received:
    381
    Love what you are saying,however those people are not Jew's ,they just claim to be.

    Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the syna-gogue of Sa'-tan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

    Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

    These people are the kenites ,his(satans)children....They are not of Judah.It's very important that we make that distinction .
     
    Reggie Belafonte likes this.
  2. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,748
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    Didnt know, though there was only 2 though i did see the mock sacrifice I think last year, in preparation.
     
  3. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,748
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    My Lord, My savior, and as His bride my Husband.
     
  4. Stan B

    Stan B Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    672
    Likes Received:
    304
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    Yes!! The Levites are most important for servicing the Third Temple:

    “But the Levitical priests, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of My sanctuary when the sons of Israel went astray from Me, shall come near to Me to minister to Me; and they shall stand before Me to offer Me the fat and the blood,” declares the Lord God. “They shall enter My sanctuary; they shall come near to My table to minister to Me and keep My charge. It shall be that when they enter at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and wool shall not be on them while they are ministering in the gates of the inner court and in the house. Ezek 44:15 . . . etc

    Of the tribes is Israel, the Levites have demonstrated the most pure lineage of all, with their DNA varying by only 1.5% over the millennia.
    Only those of pure lineage will be accepted for service in the new Temple.
     
    mjrhealth likes this.
  5. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,748
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    Waiting for that calf, that will stir things up.
     
    Stan B likes this.
  6. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,221
    Likes Received:
    381
    Keep in mind however that they were infiltrated by the kenites,also remember that this chapter Ezekiel 44 happens during the millennium.

    I'm not thinking that these are only of a pure line but rather those who were not deceived during the hour of temptation,ie,when satans here pretending to be Christ.

    My point was the infiltration which can be found in the Book of Ezra
     
    Reggie Belafonte likes this.
  7. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,748
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    I actually have no idea where this is going, God knows who His people are, He knows where they are, He knows whom He will save and he knows when. and it is honestly none of our business, Doesnt add one dot of anything to ones salvation.
     
  8. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,799
    Likes Received:
    527
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    You are totally correct in that, I was just putting forward Jews as to what they think that it is. but as to when we look deeper into this you are totally correct, for if one was truly a Jew worthy of God in the OT then they would clearly look up to Holy Moses and understand who Jesus truly is, Our Lord and Saviour. but sadly because of Satan's workings people are lead astray, so why do such claiming to be Christians peddle the so called Jew line, this is like the bible says about a dog going back to it's vomit.
    The Jews were vomited out of the Land because they rejected the Son of God, but not all Jews were because they were true Israelites that Holy Moses said of that will be able to know the Christ and it was them who became the first Christians.

    Many claim that the first Christians were the Romans, but that is a lie !
    If it was not for the disciples who were in fact Israelites. what then ?
    The Jews of old have spread into every race in the world. most people could claim to of have some blood line that relates to the Jewish tribes.
    I don't think that it is worthy for some clown to claim to be of Jewish blood line nowadays really and if they could claim to be even 50% Jewish blood line so what ! I don't think anyone could claim to be even 10 % today, let alone that was not what Jesus was on about at all, was Jesus saying you must be Jewish blood line ? was that what he was getting at, No ! not at all ! he was pointing to the Spiritual understanding is a must, and it's called the Holy Spirit, there are many spirits but only one Holy Spirit and if one does not have this one is nothing as to God, as how can one abide in and serve God who does not posses such.
    Satanist are clearly peddling a so called people are to dominate over all, so they push this race BS and I can't believe it that people nowadays are so gullible to swallow such racist rubbish, clearly to me it's like the fools do not understand that such is just the same line of racist rubbish like Hitler was pushing in fact and such really gets on my goat, that they have learnt nothing, because the way I see it they are so stupid that they would follow Hitler back in the day, let alone today maybe they are of the same ilk, well they have to be because such are of Satan.

    Jesus Christ is not looking for your race ! he is wanting your Soul to be in tune with you and the only way that that can happen is for us to abide in the Vine, that is Jesus Christ, no one comes to the Father but through his only Son and one must posses the Holy Spirit to get you their, your race will not cut it, everyone has a Soul. but the problem is that not all are in touch with it. you can not destroy the Soul, but one must make the connection, you must be truly born again and apart from that one is lost regardless. that's why the religious of this world make the mistake of barking up the wrong trees.
     
    Episkopos likes this.
  9. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,799
    Likes Received:
    527
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia
    Rubbish, that is escape-ism. how do you know that you are correct, Oh what one does, does not mean anything? so who cares if you are correct or not ? I thought that it was with fear and trembling that one works such out. and not just sitting back on your arse claiming fantasy's.
    I have had people say the same claiming that they are saved, with blind faith ! they always go to the easy path as that suits such as them. as they are not truly saved, they are only religious, followers of man like the poor Jews were.

    Jesus says that he does not know the date or time remember. that's up to us to grow ? he does not 'make' us grow on demand, we have free will. he does not know who he is going to save before hand well in advance, that's up to you to be willing for him to abide in him! you are not a robot programed he can not move your hand as such as that's not him. or he would of waved the magic wand to do so, but this is not a utopia or fantasy land. or dreaming that the so called Jews are coming to save you. no they are going to enslave you all like cattle, they are not of God at all in fact, that is what the Talmud whore is all about, they have always enslave the Jews and everyone.

    The Devil claims such rubbish as you are claiming, It is our business ! as if we abide in the Vine we will take on his will, it's not magic. Oh I want my god to do this and that for me :rolleyes:. no he wont, because he does not serve you.
    Remember Nathaniel what was he doing and why did he know who Jesus was ? let alone why Jesus came, so that he might ? who is going too stomp on the Serpents head ?
    Jesus is not coming to serve rat bags, he can't save a rat bag degenerate who willingly serves Satan, how do people get saved ? does your god just turn you on like a light switch at a his command. if it was that way all of the Jews in his day? well he would of just pulled the switch ? but no that's not what God does.
    If one thinks that God just turns people on at his will to serve him o_O no !
    Jesus said that one reaps what one sows, or as a Nation you fail if you are tempted by the works of man but you prosper if you abide in the Vine. The OT shows every time they failed it was because they turned their back on God, Gods ways are clearly set and one must abide. Look at the flood that's when he moved his hand against them or with the Sodomites in Lots day. not to mention we have Churches promoting this sodomite crap nowadays and living for ones selfish stupid degenerate desires, not to mention all the silly off with the pixies comments about what they claim that god can do. they ask amiss Jesus says, because they don't know what they are on about.
     
  10. Copperhead

    Copperhead Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    834
    Likes Received:
    302
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    What Christian "nations" would that be? I know of none. Some were founded on Christian principles, for sure. But I know of no nation that has it in their charter that they are a Christian nation to the exclusivity of other religions, recognizing Christianity as the official religious faith of the land and enforced. There might be some obscure two bit country out there that has such a charter, but certainly no major country of significance.

    Several European countries have in the past has official Christian stances in their charters, but to look at them now, one could hardly tell they have any Christian influence in them today.

    Also, the promise of being grafted in was not to groups, but individuals. Individual believers are grafted into the tree of Israel, but nations are not. So scripturally, there is no allowance for a 'nation' to be grafted in and become partaker of Israel.

    And I know that I am not Israel. I am a gentile wild olive branch that has been grafted into the natural olive tree of Israel by faith in the Messiah of Israel. Even though I have been grafted in, I am not a natural olive branch. Paul makes that very clear in Romans. And the wild olive branches are not to boast against the natural olive branches. That includes laying claim to being now the natural olive branches. Israel.

    Some like to use this passage from Galations to confirm that the church or believers are now Israel....

    Galatians 6:16 (NKJV) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

    But the operative word in the passage is the Greek 'kai', which is the highlighted word 'and'. It is a separator word. Peace and mercy upon those with walk according to the rule that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision affects justification, and also upon the Israel of God. Two separate entities are in view. The believers and Israel. They are not one in the same.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2020 at 8:04 AM
  11. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,752
    Likes Received:
    9,018
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    As in "To the saints KAI faithful brethren? "
     
    Nancy likes this.
  12. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,732
    Likes Received:
    8,957
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    What is the distinction in the two?
     
  13. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,752
    Likes Received:
    9,018
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada

    Oh..I find that people who stand for one way of interpreting for one verse are very quiet when another they don't personally prefer uses the very same wordings...as can be seen...because of a lack of real honesty...

    But as to the meaning of what I posted. Saints and faithful brethren are two different levels of maturity...that are distinguished in the bible.
     
    Reggie Belafonte and Nancy like this.
  14. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,732
    Likes Received:
    8,957
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    So, two different parts to the same group...
     
  15. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,748
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Australia

    Oh you do go on. Get over it.
     
    Stan B likes this.
  16. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,752
    Likes Received:
    9,018
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada

    A hierarchy of spiritual maturity.
     
    Nancy likes this.
  17. fellow

    fellow New Member

    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    6
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States

    Could that be Great Britain?
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM
  18. Copperhead

    Copperhead Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    834
    Likes Received:
    302
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Maturity has nothing to do with it. One is either redeemed or they are not. This isn't some sort of tier system and some idea of climbing a ladder to heaven.

    And every translation that typically uses a word for word translation style as opposed to paraphrase and equivalence style agrees that there are two unique entities in Galations 6:16 in view. The NASB, the KJV, the NKJV, the LITV, they YLT, etc.

    Galatians 6:15-16 (NKJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
    16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, *** and *** upon the Israel of God.

    The 'and' is the Greek 'kai' that is a separator distinguishing the groups.

    The two unique groups in view are the redeemed that make up the body of Messiah, and Israel of God. The redeemed are oft referred to the bride of Messiah and Israel is referred to as the wife of Yahweh in scripture Not the same entities.
     
    Stan B likes this.
  19. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,732
    Likes Received:
    8,957
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    What about there being differing rewards in Heaven, and what about those whose works are burned up, yet they themselves will be saved. Do not the Apostles have a higher place of honor with God?
    “Then Peter answered and said to Him, ‘See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore, what shall we have?’ So, Jesus said unto them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.’” Matthew 19:27, 28


    It also seems there will be different degrees of punishment in Hell:
    "At the final judgement Sodom will be judged lighter than Capernaum. (Luk 10)

    And, what of all the 7 Churches in Revelations that if they overcome, they all seem to receive different places in the Kingdom, different rewards?
     
    Episkopos likes this.
  20. Copperhead

    Copperhead Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    834
    Likes Received:
    302
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Since redemption is of grace, and the unique groups of the redeemed and Israel are in view in the post you responded to, So then, are you suggesting redemption is a reward? Not according to scripture...

    Romans 4:4 (NKJV) Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

    Romans 11:6 (NKJV) And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

    So while there are rewards indeed for faithful service, redemption is not a reward or a wage for faithful service. It is a free gift by simply trusting in Messiah. Otherwise it is not grace. It is best never to confuse the two.

    And it still doesn't negate one bit that Paul has both believers and Israel in view as separate unique entities in Galatians 6:16. Each with different purposes and destinies.

    And the rewards mentioned in Revelation in each church letter, the ending of each letter is the same "he who has an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches" (plural). Each aspect of every church written to is part of every church. And every reward mentioned is applicable to all those who overcome. And how do we overcome? By placing our trust in Messiah.

    1 John 5:5 (NKJV) Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2020 at 3:10 PM
    Stan B likes this.
Loading...