All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Heyzeus]

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I don't think so - Ya can't just throw out the "scoffers" label - and claim your own personal moralistic paradigm is valid on that basis.. on the other hand , you can refer to "Them" with such a label . and be correct .. "That group".. but we are still faced with the problem of defining who gets in that group... and on what basis - and we are back to square one ... in just a little bigger circle.

And what is "the word of God ? - because if you want something that I can Prove ... beyond anything else .. is that the entire Bible "is NOT" the word of God. Full Stop.

I don't believe God is an idiot - nor nearly as confusing as folks make God out to be .. and not nearly as simple as others. I believe there is a reason why I was given a brain - and when some purported "Truth" screams false false false all day long - justified only with "Its beyond human understanding" fallacy.. perhaps that "Truth" .. isn't so True ?

So ... no .. the whole Bible is not "the literal word of God" .. but there is some that I believe - is inspired. It matters not how much... as God has set the bar low .. as per Matt 5-7. Most Famous Sermon ... First Line

"Blessed are the "Poor in Spirit" - for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven"

Low Bar .. and don't worry about it after that ... God is one ! :)

 

[Heyzeus]

There is always a reconciliation in scripture for any apparent contradictions. I gave you an explanation that dealt with the seeming contradiction that you brought forth and you would not accept it. Which does not indicate that it is invalid. I will say to you now that there is always an explanation that deals with any and every apparent contradiction that may seem to appear in holy scripture.

No there is not always a reconciliation - as not all contradictions and problems with the literal perspective are reconcilable ... sans Putting God in the Idiot Box .. see previous post to Truther.


Projection .

2Pe 3:3, Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5, For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6, Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

 

[Heyzeus]

Why with posts like this one your own post it won't take you long to fill a large encyclopaedia lacking Scripture completely.
And all a storming of Don Coyote's windmills. Who says Jesus is the Father? He is not the Father, but has his Father's Name, of 'Father' OF COURSE - by whose and which NAME OF NAMES OF GOD ALMIGHTY FATHER, God the Son has been known and worshipped from there were saved sinners upon earth.

I won't even try to find words... none will be insulting enough.

You just built a big strawman - I did not say that Jesus depicted as the Father - and have consistently argued the contrary.
The Trinity Doctrine however - Does make this claim.

 

[Heyzeus]

Well, another lost soul saying Jesus wasn't good! Pity you!

I didn't say that .. So we have 1) bearing false witness .. while 2) at the same time pointing to yet another person and claiming - "You are going to Hell" on that basis.

Jesus would be proud of your usurping of his position on the basis of falsehood ... keep up the good fight :)

 

[FollowHim]

I'm sorry, you seem to be oblivious as to how many times that you jumped to unwarranted conclusion, just in that one paragraph.
So, that's it, Thomas said 'my Lord, and my God', therefore, the man standing before him was the almighty, omnipresent and transcendent God?
Horrible, horrible exegesis!

This comment reminds me always of assumed certainty and security.
For humans to make any stand on any issue we believe we are "right" and it all comes together with a heroic conclusion.

For us to do these acts, our emotions, our convictions, our certainty must point one way. The young 16-25 are most prone to this.
The world is like this, and here is the solution.

After a few years of being put back in ones box, finding out there are equally persuasive positions from another perspective we grow wiser and sometimes unfortunately silent. There is one being above any who can speak clearly with one voice and be right. God.

So what is Gods name. "I am", a present existent from eternity to eternity.

I have heard many names for gods, conflicts of emotion authority judgement etc. but never "I am" other than from the Lord.
The reason human created gods do not have such a profound name, because it seems not to be a name at all, no grandeur or domination, or justice, or pomp, or all the things a god should have. Except in this one name eternity and His presence is summed up perfectly.

No creation, no beginning, no end, nothing that can encompass or limit who the Lord is. You cannot defeat or oppose "I am", because He is always present and has always been, and will be always. He dominates all, because created things need energy, need life, have a beginning and an end, so "I am" can choose to do nothing and the created will disappear.

So when "I am" says Jesus is His son, Jesus is His son. When Jesus becomes the atoning sacrifice for sin, that is what He is. When love is the core of the Kingdom, it is who God is, then that is reality, which we need to let come out and be the centre of our focus.

To bind "I am" to human understanding and ideas, is to take on the creator by the created which is true foolishness. Like flowers in a field, all such foolishness will flower, bloom and fade, like the setting sun. But "I am" still reigns and sees the new day. God bless you

 

[Heyzeus]

This comment reminds me always of assumed certainty and security.
For humans to make any stand on any issue we believe we are "right" and it all comes together with a heroic conclusion.

For us to do these acts, our emotions, our convictions, our certainty must point one way. The young 16-25 are most prone to this.
The world is like this, and here is the solution.

After a few years of being put back in ones box, finding out there are equally persuasive positions from another perspective we grow wiser and sometimes unfortunately silent. There is one being above any who can speak clearly with one voice and be right. God.

So what is Gods name. "I am", a present existent from eternity to eternity.

I have heard many names for gods, conflicts of emotion authority judgement etc. but never "I am" other than from the Lord.
The reason human created gods do not have such a profound name, because it seems not to be a name at all, no grandeur or domination, or justice, or pomp, or all the things a god should have. Except in this one name eternity and His presence is summed up perfectly.

No creation, no beginning, no end, nothing that can encompass or limit who the Lord is. You cannot defeat or oppose "I am", because He is always present and has always been, and will be always. He dominates all, because created things need energy, need life, have a beginning and an end, so "I am" can choose to do nothing and the created will disappear.

So when "I am" says Jesus is His son, Jesus is His son. When Jesus becomes the atoning sacrifice for sin, that is what He is. When love is the core of the Kingdom, it is who God is, then that is reality, which we need to let come out and be the centre of our focus.

To bind "I am" to human understanding and ideas, is to take on the creator by the created which is true foolishness. Like flowers in a field, all such foolishness will flower, bloom and fade, like the setting sun. But "I am" still reigns and sees the new day. God bless you

There is no "I am" other than using I am in a sentence .. "I am going to the Store"
God does not give his name to Moses.. Unlike the God of Abraham who does give his name. - for what ever reason .. we don't know.

When Jacob wrestles with God - he asks God his name - God says "I can't tell you that" - which is how the story is supposed to go .. as the near East and Egyptian belief was that if you knew the name of the God - you had power over it - makes perfect sense.

When Moses asks this question .. he gets the same answer ... I am what I am .. or "You can't trick me silly mortal" ... which is how the story is supposed to go.. as per the beliefs of the day - a narrative that everyone would know..

and these were the narratives that were passed down.. first by word of mouth .. and then written later on..

If someone says "Are you this person" ... and you respond .. I am .. it does not mean you are God.
If someone says "do you exist" and you respond I am - it doesn't mean you are God - "The Father" ... something Jesus claimed not to be many many many times.. and this is the problem - the other side of the scale is weighted highly against you ..

 

[ChristisGod]

Do you believe that Jesus was full of the Holy Ghost?

He was before His birth, during His earthly life and now. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. God before creation, during His earthly life and now. God is Immutable.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

There is no "I am" other than using I am in a sentence .. "I am going to the Store"
God does not give his name to Moses.. Unlike the God of Abraham who does give his name. - for what ever reason .. we don't know.

When Jacob wrestles with God - he asks God his name - God says "I can't tell you that" - which is how the story is supposed to go .. as the near East and Egyptian belief was that if you knew the name of the God - you had power over it - makes perfect sense.

When Moses asks this question .. he gets the same answer ... I am what I am .. or "You can't trick me silly mortal" ... which is how the story is supposed to go.. as per the beliefs of the day - a narrative that everyone would know..

and these were the narratives that were passed down.. first by word of mouth .. and then written later on..

If someone says "Are you this person" ... and you respond .. I am .. it does not mean you are God.
If someone says "do you exist" and you respond I am - it doesn't mean you are God - "The Father" ... something Jesus claimed not to be many many many times.. and this is the problem - the other side of the scale is weighted highly against you ..

The name" I Am" was so sacred to the Jews that they refused to even pronounce it and take Gods name in vain Ex 7:20. In (John 8:24) Jesus warned that those who refuse to believe He is Yahweh will perish eternally: "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."


(The word "He" is not in the original Greek) Later in that chapter Jesus said 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am (8: 58). Unlike many who deny His deity, the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming as they attempted to stone Him for blasphemy(8:59). In (Jn3:19) Jesus told His disciples that when what He predicted came to pass, they would believe that He is Yahweh.


Even His enemies that came to arrest Him in Gethsemane were overwhelmed by His divine power and fell to the ground when Jesus said "I Am" (Jn18:5-8).Jesus Christ claimed absolute equality with God.


That is why He could say, "I and the Father are one" Jn10:30 "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me" (Jn12:45) and "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (14:9-10). In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) and we can worship Him as "our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (Titus 2:13). All of heaven will worship Him. (Rev 5:13-14)


To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever! The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.


Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."


We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty


Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),

Daniel 7:13-14
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Matthew 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!


Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.


hope this helps !!!

 

[Truther]

Yes I did hear it from you! You said Jesus wasn't good! You're in DEEP trouble!

No, I quoted Jesus..you heard it from him.

You need to ask him what he meant...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


And be objective when you ask him.

 

[ChristisGod]

No, I quoted Jesus..you heard it from him.

You need to ask him what he meant...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


And be objective when you ask him.

scripture says NONE is righteous no not ONE.
scriptures says there is NONE who does good no not one
scripture says all have sinned

is Jesus righteous ? yes or no
did Jesus do good ? yes or no
did Jesus sin ? yes or no

 

[Truther]

A simple discovery. The milky way galaxy is 52,000 light years across. It can be scaled from close stars to more distant, step by step. The nearest galaxy is much further away than this. By simply extending time and distance things are much older than 10,000 years.

It is possible that this vast creation we barely see is just for our show, except it is so vast we can only just grasp it with our vast understanding. Things are not as we imagined. So we need open hearts and a sense of adventure. God bless you

I think I trust evolutionists calculations more that I trust astronomers' calculations.

The only measurable star is the sun, and it's measurements are varying by at least 20%.(6-8 light minutes).

The evolutionist throws out wacky numbers, but the astronomer throws out wackier numbers and treats light years as if they can comprehend the distance easily, like miles etc.

For instance, they may say "that star is 1,000,000,000 light years away...isn't that cool?".

As they are looking at it without a telescope, and it is really only a few light hours away per comparison to our sun's distance.

 

[Truther]

I don't think so - Ya can't just throw out the "scoffers" label - and claim your own personal moralistic paradigm is valid on that basis.. on the other hand , you can refer to "Them" with such a label . and be correct .. "That group".. but we are still faced with the problem of defining who gets in that group... and on what basis - and we are back to square one ... in just a little bigger circle.

And what is "the word of God ? - because if you want something that I can Prove ... beyond anything else .. is that the entire Bible "is NOT" the word of God. Full Stop.

I don't believe God is an idiot - nor nearly as confusing as folks make God out to be .. and not nearly as simple as others. I believe there is a reason why I was given a brain - and when some purported "Truth" screams false false false all day long - justified only with "Its beyond human understanding" fallacy.. perhaps that "Truth" .. isn't so True ?

So ... no .. the whole Bible is not "the literal word of God" .. but there is some that I believe - is inspired. It matters not how much... as God has set the bar low .. as per Matt 5-7. Most Famous Sermon ... First Line

"Blessed are the "Poor in Spirit" - for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven"

Low Bar .. and don't worry about it after that ... God is one ! :)

A scoffer says the Lord will not do what he says as per destroying the earth and judging it.

Your post qualified..

 

[Truther]

He was before His birth, during His earthly life and now. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. God before creation, during His earthly life and now. God is Immutable.

hope this helps !!!

Jesus is full of the Holy Ghost now in heaven?

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus is full of the Holy Ghost now in heaven?

Before creation- yes
During His earthly life- yes
Now in heaven- yes

How can God have any more of the Holy Spirit ?

 

[Truther]

scripture says NONE is righteous no not ONE.
scriptures says there is NONE who does good no not one
scripture says all have sinned

is Jesus righteous ? yes or no
did Jesus do good ? yes or no
did Jesus sin ? yes or no

If a non Christian person is in a coma and not sinning are they righteous or good?

If not, what disqualifies them?

What disqualifies the sinless fetus or infant from righteousness?

Just being human and a non-divine Spirit.

Jesus was saying per God's standards, only the Spirit God is good,... not even the first Adam before he fell.

 

[Truther]

Before creation- yes
During His earthly life- yes
Now in heaven- yes

How can God have any more of the Holy Spirit ?

Jesus does not now have the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

He has all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in him, bodily, now.

He IS the Holy Ghost now(God inside Christ...inside us).

 

[ChristisGod]

If a non Christian person is in a coma and not sinning are they righteous or good?

If not, what disqualifies them?

What disqualifies the sinless fetus or infant from righteousness?

Just being human and a non-divine Spirit.

Jesus was saying per God's standards, only the Spirit God is good,... not even the first Adam before he fell.

sorry I asked you the questions still waiting for the simple yes or no answers to those biblical questions.

its rather OBVIOUS why you ran from those 3 questions.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Truther]

sorry I asked you the questions still waiting for the simple yes or no answers to those biblical questions.

its rather OBVIOUS why you ran from those 3 questions.

hope this helps !!!

Was the 1st Adam good before the fall in the garden?

 

[Truther]

Fact is, sinlessness humanity is not the qualification for good per God's standard of "good".