An Ode for the looming Brexit situation in Great Britain?

[Butterfly]

You're talking about it as a Brit.

From my perspective it's pretty bad. Too many Muslim no go zones. Too many Muslims. To loose on imigration. An almost nonexistent Christian population. Too many embracing socialism.

Comparing today to when I look there, the change is terrifying.

Terrifying in the USA as well, but not as bad, which is not saying a whole lot.

The apostasy rules everywhere.

We have No ' no go ' zones where I live, but I do know further up north there are a few - as for the Christians, well I am not sure it'pretty much non existent - where did you get that from ?
I wouldn't say we are ' a Christian country ' anymore as such- but when we were, how many were true believers anyway !!
Immigration, way to easy- Enoch Powell warned the government ymears ago but it did not listen !
Rita

 

[Nancy]

We have No ' no go ' zones where I live, but I do know further up north there are a few - as for the Christians, well I am not sure it'pretty much non existent - where did you get that from ?
I wouldn't say we are ' a Christian country ' anymore as such- but when we were, how many were true believers anyway !!
Immigration, way to easy- Enoch Powell warned the government ymears ago but it did not listen !
Rita

"as for the Christians, well I am not sure it'pretty much non existent - where did you get that from ?" This was the first question to that comment that popped into my mind, like...whaaaat?

BTW...Jesus was an immigrant once

 

[Enoch111]

BTW...Jesus was an immigrant once

Really? Did one of the illegals invent that fable recently? Or was it that clueless Pope Francis?

Joseph, Mary, and the child Jesus were sent to Egypt expressly at God's command and only for a season. They were all from Nazareth, had temporarily moved to Bethlehem (for a census and the birth of Christ), went to Egypt temporarily, and returned to Nazareth, in Galilee.

 

[Nancy]

Really? Did one of the illegals invent that fable recently? Or was it that clueless Pope Francis?

Joseph, Mary, and the child Jesus were sent to Egypt expressly at God's command and only for a season. They were all from Nazareth, had temporarily moved to Bethlehem (for a census and the birth of Christ), went to Egypt temporarily, and returned to Nazareth, in Galilee.

There are no Spiritual reasons for an unwillingness to love immigrants. “And who is my neighbor?”
Does it really matter whether or not Jesus was a documented immigrant or not?

“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you (Luke 6:27) and “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets "(Matt. 7:12).

And if "democracies" vote these people in, then what is there to do? Doesn't God allow whomever He pleases in these offices, good or bad? I see only that we are to pray for those who are in power over us in this world and nothing more. And, I m a 7 year Vet.
so, no, I'm not anti-country...just anti "wrong", lol. ♥

 

[Enoch111]

There are no Spiritual reasons for an unwillingness to love immigrants. “And who is my neighbor?”
Does it really matter whether or not Jesus was a documented immigrant or not?

Of course it does. Inventing a lie about Jesus serves no purpose. He was definitely NOT an immigrant. He was always a citizen of the Roman province of Judea, and of the line of David.

As to loving immigrants, that is not even an issue. But as to applying immigration laws to block ILLEGAL immigration, that should concern every citizen of every country. Illegal immigration means that the rule of law has been set aside, and lawlessness and anarchy are the rule. This is what the Democrats have been promoting since Obama.

 

[CoreIssue]

"as for the Christians, well I am not sure it'pretty much non existent - where did you get that from ?" This was the first question to that comment that popped into my mind, like...whaaaat?

BTW...Jesus was an immigrant once

People of no religion outnumber Christians in England and Wales – study

Now ask yourself how Christian is the Anglican and Church of England churches?

But Jesus was a legal immigrant in a greatly different time.

 

[CoreIssue]

There are no Spiritual reasons for an unwillingness to love immigrants. “And who is my neighbor?”
Does it really matter whether or not Jesus was a documented immigrant or not?

“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you (Luke 6:27) and “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets "(Matt. 7:12).

And if "democracies" vote these people in, then what is there to do? Doesn't God allow whomever He pleases in these offices, good or bad? I see only that we are to pray for those who are in power over us in this world and nothing more. And, I m a 7 year Vet.
so, no, I'm not anti-country...just anti "wrong", lol. ♥

As a vet I say open borders are wrong. That is how spies, terrorists and others Enter the country and destroy it from inside.

Do some research on how many countries are having to shut down borders. Build fences.

Do research on the impact of illegals on taxes, healthcare, Public education and crime.
NEW RESEARCH: The impact of illegal aliens on crime rates, data codebook and "do file" - Crime Prevention Research Center

Diseases that had been eradicated from the US are now back.

Are you going to tell Israel open their borders? Research about their walls regarding safety.

Nowhere in the Bible can you find an argument to justify open borders.

Seeing as you live in New York, do you like their sanctuary city thinking? How about AOC?

We live in a Republic not a democracy.

 

[Butterfly]

People of no religion outnumber Christians in England and Wales – study

Now ask yourself how Christian is the Anglican and Church of England churches?

But Jesus was a legal immigrant in a greatly different time.

Many years ago many people in England would have classed them selves as Christian without even questioning what it meant, so surveys would have shown a higher number of Christians - now a days people are more open and see things in a different way, so the numbers are bound to be lower in surveys today. It doesn't mean that Christians are practically non existent here.
Its difficult to evaluate ' how Christian ' is the Church of England ( which we also call Anglican, but they are connected, not seperate ) The alpha course started in an Anglican Church and ended up being used as a major means of evangelism in this country ( not sure if it is used outside the UK ) It has been greatly used by God over the past 15years +.
In my home town churches have grown to the extent where they are planting churches in different areas of the city.
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

Many years ago many people in England would have classed them selves as Christian without even questioning what it meant, so surveys would have shown a higher number of Christians - now a days people are more open and see things in a different way, so the numbers are bound to be lower in surveys today. It doesn't mean that Christians are practically non existent here.
Its difficult to evaluate ' how Christian ' is the Church of England ( which we also call Anglican, but they are connected, not seperate ) The alpha course started in an Anglican Church and ended up being used as a major means of evangelism in this country ( not sure if it is used outside the UK ) It has been greatly used by God over the past 15years +.
In my home town churches have grown to the extent where they are planting churches in different areas of the city.
Rita

Okay, I don't want to bog down on this. So just a couple points.

On the number of issues of deviation from the Bible, Church of England leaders are numerous.

The alpha course I have studied in the past and rejected it. It is milquetoast. Interdenominational including Catholicism, Seventh-day Adventists and other cults.
The Dangers Of The Alpha Course

Think about it, in this day of apostasy something that is used worldwide is suspect by nature.

Regardless of what is happening where you live the number of Christians in Britain are shrinking rapidly.

Ireland is in horrible condition. The fastest growing religion is Islam.

 

[Helen]

Okay, I don't want to bog down on this. So just a couple points.

On the number of issues of deviation from the Bible, Church of England leaders are numerous.

The alpha course I have studied in the past and rejected it. It is milquetoast. Interdenominational including Catholicism, Seventh-day Adventists and other cults.
The Dangers Of The Alpha Course

Think about it, in this day of apostasy something that is used worldwide is suspect by nature.

Regardless of what is happening where you live the number of Christians in Britain are shrinking rapidly.

Ireland is in horrible condition. The fastest growing religion is Islam.

Im still a believer that God will use anything in His hand to speak to a heart
I couldn't just throw the Alpha course out...

God first started speaking to me through Herbert Armstrong of all people..

But that was just to get me to think about British Israel-ism...but that was just a tool...He soon git my attention and lead to a faithful old holiness pastor who preach "Jesus Christ and Him crucified" ...

The trouble today is that too many are preaching a bloodless gospel, without price.

 

[Nancy]

Many years ago many people in England would have classed them selves as Christian without even questioning what it meant, so surveys would have shown a higher number of Christians - now a days people are more open and see things in a different way, so the numbers are bound to be lower in surveys today. It doesn't mean that Christians are practically non existent here.
Its difficult to evaluate ' how Christian ' is the Church of England ( which we also call Anglican, but they are connected, not seperate ) The alpha course started in an Anglican Church and ended up being used as a major means of evangelism in this country ( not sure if it is used outside the UK ) It has been greatly used by God over the past 15years +.
In my home town churches have grown to the extent where they are planting churches in different areas of the city.
Rita

We have had the Alpha Course at The Genesis Center and another one will be coming up...so, yes, we do have it here Rita ♥

 

[Butterfly]

Okay, I don't want to bog down on this. So just a couple points.

On the number of issues of deviation from the Bible, Church of England leaders are numerous.

The alpha course I have studied in the past and rejected it. It is milquetoast. Interdenominational including Catholicism, Seventh-day Adventists and other cults.
The Dangers Of The Alpha Course

Think about it, in this day of apostasy something that is used worldwide is suspect by nature.

Regardless of what is happening where you live the number of Christians in Britain are shrinking rapidly.

Ireland is in horrible condition. The fastest growing religion is Islam.

You are entitled to your views on the alpha course- but The Holy Spirit used it many years ago to speak to me about something - so I am going to value it as part of my own testimony, it didn't bring me to faith as it was years after, but it helped me to break free from something a denominational church was teaching.
The points I made about Christians in Britain were because you were conveying they were ' practically non existent ' - that's a wrong statement.
That's what I was endeavouring to get across
You know I think your hard line approach to so many things is just sad at times, but that's just my opinion.
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

I will just add that I am not keen on the mayor of London- never have been. I remember when Lresident Trump came across for a visit and The mayor got permission to have a large hot air balloon float over London, it was of a derogation image of the president. Now I have my views on your president and they don't always fall in line with what many say here, but I just felt that it was so disrespectful for someone in power to do that to another leader on a visit to our country - and it was even worse because he had got permission from others to do. It was totally wrong.
He has not fulfilled many of the promises he made before his election - ( although that is not something I am personally aware of, but does seem to be the case from people living in London )
I don't know about what he said about terrorism, so I cannot comment - but I cannot say I am surprised he was not sacked, but as you say, he should have been !
I believe they are only in office for four years, so it will be interesting to see what happens next year.
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

You are entitled to your views on the alpha course- but The Holy Spirit used it many years ago to speak to me about something - so I am going to value it as part of my own testimony, it didn't bring me to faith as it was years after, but it helped me to break free from something a denominational church was teaching.
The points I made about Christians in Britain were because you were conveying they were ' practically non existent ' - that's a wrong statement.
That's what I was endeavouring to get across
You know I think your hard line approach to so many things is just sad at times, but that's just my opinion.
Rita

The Bible warns against being soft and tolerant of error in the Church.

 

[Butterfly]

Which verses are are you referring to , just for reference?

 

[CoreIssue]

Which verses are are you referring to , just for reference?

Start with the seven churches of Revelation.

 

[Butterfly]

Start with the seven churches of Revelation.

Ok, I see where you are coming from with regards to the failings that Jesus conveys about each church- but I actually pull something else out from those verses. Every single church had failings, but I doubt whether any of them considered that they had them. Jesus was clear that the issues needed to be revealed to them, and that they had to be open to listen. To me this conveys that any one of us could believe the same thing, we could totally believe we were okay when in fact we may have things that we need to ' see ' and be made aware of.
Now you could argue the point that this is what you do, you go round pointing out things to others because you believe they are wrong and you are right- but what about you yourself - you could equally be in the same condition as one of those churches, and Jesus could equally hold things against you that you do not see because you think you are okay.
The fact that not one of the churches could actually be seen as being totally okay relays to me that we should always be cautious about what we believe about ourselves.
Please do not think that I am saying we should not hold others to account, what I am saying is that we should equally hold ourselves to account and be willing to listen just in case God may be speaking through the words of someone else.
Sometimes it comes across that you believe you are totally right about everything you post, quite a few posters on here do that - and it does make me sad because it often closes the door on a more open discussion and opportunities to learn from one another.
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

Ok, I see where you are coming from with regards to the failings that Jesus conveys about each church- but I actually pull something else out from those verses. Every single church had failings, but I doubt whether any of them considered that they had them. Jesus was clear that the issues needed to be revealed to them, and that they had to be open to listen. To me this conveys that any one of us could believe the same thing, we could totally believe we were okay when in fact we may have things that we need to ' see ' and be made aware of.
Now you could argue the point that this is what you do, you go round pointing out things to others because you believe they are wrong and you are right- but what about you yourself - you could equally be in the same condition as one of those churches, and Jesus could equally hold things against you that you do not see because you think you are okay.
The fact that not one of the churches could actually be seen as being totally okay relays to me that we should always be cautious about what we believe about ourselves.
Please do not think that I am saying we should not hold others to account, what I am saying is that we should equally hold ourselves to account and be willing to listen just in case God may be speaking through the words of someone else.
Sometimes it comes across that you believe you are totally right about everything you post, quite a few posters on here do that - and it does make me sad because it often closes the door on a more open discussion and opportunities to learn from one another.
Rita

No, most churches did not believe they were doing anything wrong. In fact they thought they were superior because of their liberalness. Same with those who stand before the white throne judgment Pleading their works being rejected by Jesus.

That is exactly why we all have to study the Bible in context and harmony using literal rules of grammar and word meaning.

Cults do not do that. Neither do those into false doctrine.

Just sitting back and accepting denominational doctrine is a formula for disaster. Which Paul adamantly warned against.

As for myself that is why I never accept anything at face value. I dig into Scripture to accept or deny.

The Bible says listen to what Others say and then turn to the Scripture to accept or reject it. Simply relying on one's own intellect is also a formula for disaster.

Some will scoff when they read this statement, but this is why I have been a diligent student of the Bible for 58 years.

There's an old saying that is so true. That that being the more I learn tells me how much I really don't know.

The Bible says we see in A mirror darkly but one day we will see clearly. KJV saying through glass, the problem being clear glass did not exist at that time. Another KJV alteration.

My sig line is what I believe on these issues.

 

[Butterfly]

Right , that post was helpful- I agree with what you have said. I am not entirely sure I get what the quote about the mirror really means, I have a friend who was always quoting it and I always seem to get a bit confused.
It's was a major turning point in my Christian life when I started to study it for myself in more depth and in context - but I am a few years behind you !
Rita

 

[CoreIssue]

Right , that post was helpful- I agree with what you have said. I am not entirely sure I get what the quote about the mirror really means, I have a friend who was always quoting it and I always seem to get a bit confused.
It's was a major turning point in my Christian life when I started to study it for myself in more depth and in context - but I am a few years behind you !
Rita

It's like looking in the mirror. You see a reflection of yourself in the world around you.

The Bible gives you a mirror reflection of yourself in the framework of the world.

Even then we still do not see ourselves or the world clearly. Our humanity gets in the way.