AN OPEN LETTER TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

[Patrick1966]

From a "Question from Readers" in our Watchtower magazine...

"• Is Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?


The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”


The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.


Who is this Lucifer? The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.


Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: “To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”—Isaiah 14:13, 14.


“The stars of God” are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:17) From David onward, these “stars” ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion three times a year. Thus, it became “the mountain of meeting.” By determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above those “stars.” Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them, he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah’s place. So it is after being cut down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as the “shining one.”


The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan."
WT article

That's a great response! Thank you!

 

[RR144]

Its not over till the fat lady sings......all the best

I guess you stopped singing to me eh?

 

[RR144]

Satan cannot blind one who is a genuine believer as Paul said....

Strangely enough the Disciples sent out many warnings to the brethren about not being deceived.
Luke 21:8
2 Cor. 11:3
2 Tim. 3:13
Matthew 24:24

 

[Aunty Jane]

I guess you stopped singing to me eh?

1) I'm not the fat lady....and 2) in accord with Matthew 10:11-14.....
"Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave. 12 When you enter the house, greet the household. 13 If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you. 14 Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet." I am 'shaking the dust off'....

I hope you understand what 'shaking the dust off' means......its not personal.
It means that I have done my job...I have given you the truth as I understand it...the rest is up to Jehovah. (John 6:44, 65)

I chose to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses over 50 years ago because of the criteria outlined in the scriptures.....the Witnesses were the only ones who fulfilled the scriptural criteria......John 13:34-35....Matthew 24:14.....John 18:36....Matthew 5:43-44.....Matthew 26:52.
Being "no part of the world" means not adopting its political views or voting for corrupt its leaders, not participating in its bloodshed, and not imitating its greedy commercialism or watering down scriptural principles concerning sexual matters, marriage and divorce.

It also means removing ourselves from "Babylon the great" because God is about to give her her just reward for all the confusion and false religious ideas she has promoted in the world. Religious hatred, like political hatred, is the stuff of war and no Christian can harbor hatred in their heart for anyone...not even their enemies as Jesus said. We will take a bullet for our brothers but we will not fire one at anybody.

Our stance on many issues doesn't make us popular, especially with Christendom, but we put the kingdom and God's righteousness before all things as a globally united brotherhood. If we were not hated, or at least held in derision or mocked, I would be on the wrong road. (John 15:18-21)

Strangely enough the Disciples sent out many warnings to the brethren about not being deceived.
Luke 21:8
2 Cor. 11:3
2 Tim. 3:13
Matthew 24:24

And strangely enough, you hold the belief that these scriptures cannot possibly pertain to you and your fellow Bible Students who chose to remain in the dark because you followed a man instead of following God who has used men in positions of influence to care for his people all through history...each one a sinful man who did his best under the circumstances. Those appointed did not always have the support of the people, but they had God's support and did as they were directed by his spirit. When Russell died, you guys stopped moving forward. You are stuck back in the last century in your understanding. I wish you could see that.

Our governing body do not claim infallibility, nor do they claim to be prophets.....they are "slaves" of Jesus Christ, as Jesus is the "holy servant" of his God. (Acts 4:27) They are as imperfect as the apostles and all of God's ancient servants were....if we expect perfection, then we are laboring under a false assumption. In the big picture, IMV, no other global body of Christians is more united than we are. No other body of Christians takes 'the great commission' seriously....they make excuses to ignore it, like its someone else's job. It the role we all must play in bringing the truth to the people as Jesus commanded. (Matthew 28:19-20; Revelation 22 Jesus and his disciples did not wait for people to come to them...they were actively sent out to the people, declaring the Christian message. (Romans 10:13-15) Jesus said it would be done right up to the end (Matt 24:14)......so who is doing this work? Who is known the world over for their preaching? Who else refrains from involvement with the world's political troubles and corruption? Who else believes that warfare for a Christian is only spiritual? (2 Cor 10:3-4; Eph 6:10-18)

We are commanded to preach.....to anyone who will listen, but we are "sent" just as Jesus was, to find "the lost sheep".

Revelation 22:16-17....
"‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”

17 And the spirit and the bride keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free."

Jesus and his bride (the anointed ones) issue the invitation, and so do all who hear and respond to the message of the Kingdom, also invite others to "come" and join them in the work. (Matt 9:37-38) Are you MIA?

 

[RR144]

I hope you understand what 'shaking the dust off' means......its not personal.
It means that I have done my job...I have given you the truth as I understand it...the rest is up to Jehovah. (John 6:44, 65)

Well Jane, all I can say is ... if paradise earth is what you want, then Paradise earth is what you'll get. You see. Jehovah is only calling one group of people, and that is the elect, and they are called for a specific purpose. He's not interested in any other group of people at this time. He'll turn His attention to the world when the Elect class is complete. So you see, heaven is for the elect, which you profess at this time NOT to be a part of. Restitution is for the rest of mankind, that would include you. So .... despite what you think of me, I'll see you in the Kingdom.

RR

 

[Emily Nghiem]

"But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established" - Proverbs 4:18 (NWT)​

Let me ask you, when does light get brighter? Is there such a thing as old light? Well, the Watchtower thinks so, and not without reason. The Watchtower has, since the days of Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford made countless changes in doctrinal as well as organizational matters. And have attributed these changes to the bright light getting lighter and lighter (Prov. 4:18 NWT). The above quoted scripture is a verse often used by the Watchtower Society to prove or apologize for their doctrinal changes. It is their answer to the seldomly asked question; "Why are Jehovah's Witnesses constantly changing their teachings?" According to the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses legal corporation) when the light gets brighter, it simply means that there is a new understanding, more insight on a particular subject. The Society has in the past made adjustments in their teachings and have used this scripture to support their doing so. "The light is getting brighter" they say. "We have a better understanding", but is that the case?

We won't argue the point that in reading and studying the Scriptures, one can gain much insight. We certainly get a clearer understanding of the Scriptures as we carefully read a certain verse, chapter or book, and will gain a better understanding from some texts that we had not noticed before. However, The Bible assures us that God's Word does not change, neither does Jehovah God change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Yet the Society with their flip/flop doctrines have made Jehovah a God of confusion rather than a God of order. Which is in fact contrary to the Holy Scriptures.

The apostle Paul stated in his first letter to the brethren in Colossae; "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace". (14:33 KJV) In actuality what the Society is saying is that God is not sure of himself or his Plan for mankind. How so? Take for example what was taught in regards to the Sodomites, would the Sodomites be resurrected? According to the Watchtower Society's founder and first president Pastor Charles Taze Russell, they would be resurrected (Zion's Watch Tower - July 1879 p. 8). He based his teaching regarding the Sodomites on the fact that their judgment (proving that their judgment is future) would be more tolerable (proving that others would also have a judgment in the future) than Tyre and Sidon, even though their judgment would be less tolerable. (Matt. 11:22-24) However in 1952 it was stated that the Sodomites would not be resurrected (Watchtower June 1st). This, according to the Society, is a form of the bright light getting lighter and lighter. They now have a better understanding of the Scriptures in regards the future of the Sodomites - they have none. Jehovah by use of his holy spirit has corrected their thinking, their views on this matter. Now they are on the path of righteousness. The views of 1879 is now considered old light, error. In 1965 the Watchtower of August 1 stated that the Sodomites would be resurrected. Now what? What was once considered old light is now new light! Is that possible? Was not the first view considered wrong? Had not Jehovah set them straight in 1952? After all Jehovah God is directing the Watchtower Society! Isn't he, or is he? (Watchtower, November 01, 1956; p. 370). How can old light now become new light? It can't! Either the first view was correct and man changed it because he understood it to be so, and Jehovah corrected him. Or the first view was wrong, Jehovah corrected it and man reverted back to the false concept. If the latter is the case than Jehovah is not directing his organization properly, is he? He needs to correct them if indeed they did revert back to error. And that's exactly what he did according to the Watchtower, for in the June 01, 1988 Watchtower, it states the Sodomites will not be resurrected. Yet since then, that view has been changed back and forth. Either Jehovah God is not directing the Watchtower or he needs to abandon this organization for a new one.

The Watchtower Society has been so bold as to state that they are "the only organization on earth that understands the "deeper things of God'! (Watchtower July 01, 1973; p. 402). How can that be, when they do not even understand the simple things of God? What the Witnesses are actually being taught is that Jehovah is not sure himself what the outcome of the Sodomites will be. Yet do not the Scriptures teach that Jehovah is all-knowing? (Rom 11: 33, 1 Cor. 2:7) Light advances, it does not change. Views change because they are not in harmony with the Scriptures. Views can change numerous times. One day a view may be in harmony with the Scriptures, the next day it may not be. The important thing to remember is that the Scriptures, God's Word is the same, it will never change.

To indicate that God's word does change is not in harmony with the Scriptures. Furthermore, to say that Jehovah is in charge of an organization that is difficult to keep track of is absurd! Jehovah's Witnesses are being misled. They are taught they have the Truth of the Scriptures. Yet how can that be when the very ones who are teaching them to understand the Scriptures are in the dark? Truly this is a case of the blind leading the blind. (Matt. 15:14)

The issue of the Sodomites is just one of hundreds of doctrinal and organizational changes the Society has gone through. Changes have been made in the teachings of the Ransom, Chronology, Baptism, Hell, Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, Prophecies, Salvation and countless others. Can this be God's organization? God's only channel of communication? Hardly! The only "Light" the Witnesses are in dire need of is the "Light" of the Scriptures, the Truth concerning our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. For our Lord said: "I am the light of the world" - John 8:12. The Witnesses are quick to apply 2 Corinthians 4:4 to those outside of their organization, which states; "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." They do not realize that it can and does apply to them. Jehovah's Witnesses should be commended for their many accomplishments and for their high morals. But unbeknownst to them they are being misguided. Some testify that they are sincere, but the Scriptures, testify that they are sincerely wrong.

RR

???
Would you rather have a person or group of people
REFUSE to accept corrections or clarifications?

I would much rather people be open to reconciling with God
even if it means making changes one step or stage at a time!

Many people find fault with
* the Catholic church for problems in its institution's past

* the Constitutional system of Govt in the US that once
enforced property laws of human slavery for people not considered equal

We can ASPIRE to receive Jesus' perfect justice, but that doesn't mean
we "automatically" get everything right. The US Govt is a good secular example,
of how the laws might CLAIM to provide "liberty and justice for all" also known
as "equal justice under law" or "equal protections of the laws" BUT FALL SHORT of
this goal (which Jesus alone is perfectly able to fulfill as the only righteousness).

The gap between where we've been in the past and where we should be
to reconcile fully between man and God requires STAGES of development.

the perfect baby in the womb requires going through
infancy, childhood, adolescence etc. before reaching mature adulthood.

The same process people go through to reach maturity,
collectively, each nation, group, or church / religious tribe
also goes through similar stages.

The point is to accept forgiveness and correction for every
step along the way, which makes sense compared with Jesus
teaching us to forgive one another "70 times 70" because of
the long process of "trial and error" and learn-by-example and experience.

We are meant to help each other grow in fellowship,
not serve as a stumbling block to make each other fall.

 

[Keiw]

"But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established" - Proverbs 4:18 (NWT)​

Let me ask you, when does light get brighter? Is there such a thing as old light? Well, the Watchtower thinks so, and not without reason. The Watchtower has, since the days of Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford made countless changes in doctrinal as well as organizational matters. And have attributed these changes to the bright light getting lighter and lighter (Prov. 4:18 NWT). The above quoted scripture is a verse often used by the Watchtower Society to prove or apologize for their doctrinal changes. It is their answer to the seldomly asked question; "Why are Jehovah's Witnesses constantly changing their teachings?" According to the Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses legal corporation) when the light gets brighter, it simply means that there is a new understanding, more insight on a particular subject. The Society has in the past made adjustments in their teachings and have used this scripture to support their doing so. "The light is getting brighter" they say. "We have a better understanding", but is that the case?

We won't argue the point that in reading and studying the Scriptures, one can gain much insight. We certainly get a clearer understanding of the Scriptures as we carefully read a certain verse, chapter or book, and will gain a better understanding from some texts that we had not noticed before. However, The Bible assures us that God's Word does not change, neither does Jehovah God change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Yet the Society with their flip/flop doctrines have made Jehovah a God of confusion rather than a God of order. Which is in fact contrary to the Holy Scriptures.

The apostle Paul stated in his first letter to the brethren in Colossae; "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace". (14:33 KJV) In actuality what the Society is saying is that God is not sure of himself or his Plan for mankind. How so? Take for example what was taught in regards to the Sodomites, would the Sodomites be resurrected? According to the Watchtower Society's founder and first president Pastor Charles Taze Russell, they would be resurrected (Zion's Watch Tower - July 1879 p. 8). He based his teaching regarding the Sodomites on the fact that their judgment (proving that their judgment is future) would be more tolerable (proving that others would also have a judgment in the future) than Tyre and Sidon, even though their judgment would be less tolerable. (Matt. 11:22-24) However in 1952 it was stated that the Sodomites would not be resurrected (Watchtower June 1st). This, according to the Society, is a form of the bright light getting lighter and lighter. They now have a better understanding of the Scriptures in regards the future of the Sodomites - they have none. Jehovah by use of his holy spirit has corrected their thinking, their views on this matter. Now they are on the path of righteousness. The views of 1879 is now considered old light, error. In 1965 the Watchtower of August 1 stated that the Sodomites would be resurrected. Now what? What was once considered old light is now new light! Is that possible? Was not the first view considered wrong? Had not Jehovah set them straight in 1952? After all Jehovah God is directing the Watchtower Society! Isn't he, or is he? (Watchtower, November 01, 1956; p. 370). How can old light now become new light? It can't! Either the first view was correct and man changed it because he understood it to be so, and Jehovah corrected him. Or the first view was wrong, Jehovah corrected it and man reverted back to the false concept. If the latter is the case than Jehovah is not directing his organization properly, is he? He needs to correct them if indeed they did revert back to error. And that's exactly what he did according to the Watchtower, for in the June 01, 1988 Watchtower, it states the Sodomites will not be resurrected. Yet since then, that view has been changed back and forth. Either Jehovah God is not directing the Watchtower or he needs to abandon this organization for a new one.

The Watchtower Society has been so bold as to state that they are "the only organization on earth that understands the "deeper things of God'! (Watchtower July 01, 1973; p. 402). How can that be, when they do not even understand the simple things of God? What the Witnesses are actually being taught is that Jehovah is not sure himself what the outcome of the Sodomites will be. Yet do not the Scriptures teach that Jehovah is all-knowing? (Rom 11: 33, 1 Cor. 2:7) Light advances, it does not change. Views change because they are not in harmony with the Scriptures. Views can change numerous times. One day a view may be in harmony with the Scriptures, the next day it may not be. The important thing to remember is that the Scriptures, God's Word is the same, it will never change.

To indicate that God's word does change is not in harmony with the Scriptures. Furthermore, to say that Jehovah is in charge of an organization that is difficult to keep track of is absurd! Jehovah's Witnesses are being misled. They are taught they have the Truth of the Scriptures. Yet how can that be when the very ones who are teaching them to understand the Scriptures are in the dark? Truly this is a case of the blind leading the blind. (Matt. 15:14)

The issue of the Sodomites is just one of hundreds of doctrinal and organizational changes the Society has gone through. Changes have been made in the teachings of the Ransom, Chronology, Baptism, Hell, Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, Prophecies, Salvation and countless others. Can this be God's organization? God's only channel of communication? Hardly! The only "Light" the Witnesses are in dire need of is the "Light" of the Scriptures, the Truth concerning our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. For our Lord said: "I am the light of the world" - John 8:12. The Witnesses are quick to apply 2 Corinthians 4:4 to those outside of their organization, which states; "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." They do not realize that it can and does apply to them. Jehovah's Witnesses should be commended for their many accomplishments and for their high morals. But unbeknownst to them they are being misguided. Some testify that they are sincere, but the Scriptures, testify that they are sincerely wrong.

RR

Here are the bible facts-- GOD hid certain truths until these last days( Daniel 12:4)-- Yet those truths were in the bible all along, that means every mortal taught error on those hidden truths until these last days. That means the religion that has Jesus made corrections in front of all creation-When=Matt 24:45- At the proper time= When God willed truths to be known. All of creation witnessed the corrections made. Now truth has become abundant here in these last days( Dan 12:4)

 

[Keiw]

Well Jane, all I can say is ... if paradise earth is what you want, then Paradise earth is what you'll get. You see. Jehovah is only calling one group of people, and that is the elect, and they are called for a specific purpose. He's not interested in any other group of people at this time. He'll turn His attention to the world when the Elect class is complete. So you see, heaven is for the elect, which you profess at this time NOT to be a part of. Restitution is for the rest of mankind, that would include you. So .... despite what you think of me, I'll see you in the Kingdom.

RR

Yes the elect= the anointed bride of Christ= the little flock( Luke12:32)=144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) to sit on thrones(Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--As well the great crowd( Rev 7:9)( no man can number) of other sheep( John 10:16) who are not of that fold, get this promise from Jesus=Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH=the NEW EARTH= Gods kingdom in full control, no more satan influences ever-earth becomes an Eden( paradise) Psalm 37:29 agrees) Prov 2:21-22assures they will not leave the earth and Matt 24:22 assures they will be brought through the tribulation and Armageddon on EARTH.
As well the partaking of the emblems = only for the little flock= a covenant made special to the ones who will sit on thrones( Luke 22:29-30)--It is a major sin for the great crowd to partake of those emblems. The blind guides tell all to partake.

 

[Jack]

"But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established" - Proverbs 4:18 (NWT)​

Let me ask you, when does light get brighter? Is there such a thing as old light? Well, the Watchtower thinks so, and not without reason. The Watchtower has, since the days of Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford made countless changes in doctrinal as well as organizational matters.

What amazes me is that their own NWT clearly teaches that Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting. I guess it's too difficult for them to edit them out.

 

[Keiw]

What amazes me is that their own NWT clearly teaches that Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting. I guess it's too difficult for them to edit them out.

Only to those who live in darkness.

 

[Jack]

Only to those who live in darkness.

Yeah, Kingdom Hall victims!

NWT Isaiah 44 This is what Jehovah says,The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last.

NWT Rev 1
17 I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever,

Amen NWT! Jesus is God!

 

[RR144]

What amazes me is that their own NWT clearly teaches that Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting. I guess it's too difficult for them to edit them out.

Say what?

 

[Jack]

Say what?

Yep, it sure does!

 

[Jack]

Yeah, Kingdom Hall victims!

NWT Isaiah 44 This is what Jehovah says,The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last.

NWT Rev 1
17 I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever,

Amen NWT! Jesus is God!

A JW laughing at the NWT? Is Kingdom Hall mocking their own bible now?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yeah, Kingdom Hall victims!

NWT Isaiah 44 This is what Jehovah says,The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last.

NWT Rev 1
17 I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever,

Amen NWT! Jesus is God!

You crack me up....
Like the word "savior" this title can apply to more than one person.
Would you like our explanation...?
For your edification.....not really expecting miracles here....

• At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”
• Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”

There ya go....

 

[Jack]

You crack me up....
Like the word "savior" this title can apply to more than one person.
Would you like our explanation...?
For your edification.....not really expecting miracles here....

• At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”
• Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”

There ya go....

ONLY Jesus/God/Jehovah is called "the first and the last" and "Mighty God" in the NWT. They are the same. Your Kingdom Hall smokescreen is rejected. If Kingdom Hall doesn't want people to know this they should call an emergency meeting to try to edit it out of the NWT! Too late though. Some of us already know. Jehovah/God/Jesus are One and the same!

 

[RR144]

Yep, it sure does!

Well, I'm not a fan of the NWT, because of its biases, but then again, what translation doesn't have its biases. So tell you what, why don't you share with us where "NWT clearly teaches that Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting".

 

[Jack]

Well, I'm not a fan of the NWT, because of its biases, but then again, what translation doesn't have its biases. So tell you what, why don't you share with us where "NWT clearly teaches that Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting".

Did you read posts 31 and 36?

 

[Jack]

You crack me up....
Like the word "savior" this title can apply to more than one person.
Would you like our explanation...?
For your edification.....not really expecting miracles here....

• At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”
• Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”

There ya go....

Notice AJ totally evaded the NWT that I quoted! That's what JW's do. Evade and smokescreen!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Did you read posts 31 and 36?

You sound like you are stuck in a revolving door….it wouldn’t matter what anyone said, you are happily stuck in a rut, and out of pure stubbornness, you won’t even read what anyone gives you as an explanation.

You still laughingly call the Kingdom Hall something that teaches us…..it’s a building Jack…it doesn’t teach anyone, anything. We use the Kingdom Hall as a meeting place…it’s just bricks and mortar. We also use the Watchtower Society to print our literature, but we are not the Kingdom Hall or the Watchtower…..we are Jehovah’s Witnesses, doing the same work that Jesus commanded his first century disciples to do. (Matt 10:11-14; Acts 20:20; Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20) He was a witness of Jehovah too Jack. (Rev 3:14)
Are you out there preaching Jack? When was the last time you knocked on someone’s door to offer them the good news of the kingdom?

You stick to your guns mate and we’ll all see in the end who were the true Christians and who has swallowed the devil’s lies, hook, line and sinker….do the deceived know that they are…..until it’s too late?

You are just a blind hater Jack…..no room in the kingdom for those who cannot be told, or who have no coherent explanation for, or understanding of, the scripture they use. I feel sorry for you.