Phoneman777 said:
God never says those who continue in sin are saved.
Those who continue to sin
were never saved to begin with. They believe for a while...
Luke 8:13 NIV Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root.
They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they (aphistémi) fall away.
Phoneman777 said:
"If we sin willfully after receiving a knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sin, but a certain looking for of judgment."
There are two main reasons why the Hebrew warnings exist..
The Bible’s warnings against apostasy exist because there are two types of religious people: believers and unbelievers. In any church there are those who truly know Christ and those who are going through the motions. Wearing the label “Christian” does not guarantee a change of heart. It is possible to hear the Word, and even agree with its truth, without taking it to heart. It is possible to attend church, serve in a ministry, and call yourself a Christian—and still be unsaved (Matthew 7:21–23). As the prophet said, “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me” (Isaiah 29:13; cf. Mark 7:6).
The second purpose for the Bible’s warnings against apostasy is to equip the church to identify apostates. They can be known by their rejection of Christ, acceptance of heresy, and carnal nature (2 Peter 2:1–3).
The biblical warnings against apostasy, therefore, are warnings to those who are under the umbrella of “faith” without ever having truly exercised faith.
Scriptures such as Hebrews 6:4–6 and Hebrews 10:26–29
are warnings to “pretend” believers that they need to examine themselves before it’s too late. Matthew 7:22–23 indicates that “pretend believers” whom the Lord rejects on Judgment Day are rejected not because they “lost faith” but because the Lord never knew them. They never had a relationship with Him.
There are many people who love religion for religion’s sake and are willing to identify themselves with Jesus and the church. Who wouldn’t want eternal life and blessing? However, Jesus warns us to “count the cost” of discipleship (Luke 9:23–26; 14:25–33). True believers have counted the cost and made the commitment; apostates fail to do so.
Apostates had a profession of faith at one time but not the possession of faith. Their mouths spoke something other than what their hearts believed. Apostasy is not loss of salvation but evidence of past pretension.
http://www.gotquestions.org/apostasy-salvation.html
Phoneman777 said:
"If we sin willfully after receiving a knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sin, but a certain looking for of judgment."
There are many contradictions in your false doctrine...
As believers in Christ we should be aware of two covenants being spoken of in the Book of Hebrews, chapters 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 and 13. By using proper hermeneutics we can put into detail what verse is describing what covenant, old or new. Let's dive right in, shall we...
Heb 8:6 NIV But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one,
since the new covenant is established on better promises.
HEB 6:1-6, HEB 10:29-31 CONTRADICTIONS WITH NON-OSAS
Heb 6:1 NIV, Heb 6:6 NIV Contradiction - "Repentance that leads to death" is referring to the sacrifices of animals in the OT.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - repentance from dead works, does not intend evangelical repentance, the doctrine of which is to be ministerially laid, and the grace itself to be exercised over and over again;
but a repentance which arose from, and was signified by the sacrifices of slain beasts; for by them the Jews were taught the doctrine of repentance, as well as remission of sin; and in and over them did they confess their iniquities; yea,
every beast that was slain for sacrifice carried in it a conviction of sin, an acknowledgment of guilt; and it was tacitly owning, that they, for whom the creature was slain, deserved to be treated as that was, and die as that did. So the Jews (f) say,
"when a man sacrifices a beast, he thinks in his own heart, I am rather a beast than this; for I am he that hath sinned, and for the sin which I have committed I bring this; and it is more fitting that the man should be sacrificed rather than the beast; and so it appears that, , "by the means of his offering he repents".''
But now, under the Gospel dispensation, believing Jews, as these were to whom the apostle writes,
were not to learn the doctrine of repentance from slain beasts, or to signify it in this way; since repentance and remission of sins were preached most clearly to them in the name of Christ: nor were they to lay again another part of this foundation, or a second article of the Jewish creed,
Heb 6:4-5 NIV Contradiction - http://www.rj-anders...cs/hebrews.html
Heb 6:6 NIV Contradiction - They fell away because they had no root of salvation, which is Jesus Christ. Either you are born again or you are not...Matt 13:20-23 NIV, Rom 11:18 NIV, Rev 22:16 NIV
Heb 6:6 NIV Contradiction - It's impossible to crucify the Son of God all over again when Jesus already paid the sin debt as a one time sacrifice for sins. Once you come to faith and believe in the resurrection you are saved until redemption...Psalm 130:3-4 NIV, Rom 4:7-8 NIV, Rom 6:10 NIV, 1 Cor 15:12-19 NIV, 2 Cor 5:18-20 NIV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, Heb 7:23-25 NIV, Heb 7:27 NIV, Heb 9:12 NIV, Heb 9:24-28 NIV, Heb 10:10-14 NIV, 1 Pet 3:18 NIV
Heb 10:26 NIV Contradiction - "Deliberately keep on sinning" is describing nonbelievers, not believers...Rom 6:14 NIV, 1 John 3:6 NIV, 1 John 3:9 NIV, 1 John 5:18 NIV
Heb 10:26 NIV Contradiction - Nonbelievers are known to have the knowledge of God, the knowledge of truth, or knowing God but not accepting His salvation. Apostates are not born again christians...Rom 1:18 NIV, Rom 1:25 NIV, Rom 1:28 NIV, 1 Tim 6:20 NIV, 2 Pet 2:20 NIV
Heb 10:26 NIV Contradiction - It's impossible for there to be no sacrifice for sins left when Jesus already paid the sin debt as a one time sacrifice for sins. Once you come to faith and believe in the resurrection you are saved until redemption...Psalm 130:3-4 NIV, Rom 4:7-8 NIV, Rom 6:10 NIV, 1 Cor 15:12-19 NIV, 2 Cor 5:18-20 NIV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, Heb 7:23-25 NIV, Heb 7:27 NIV, Heb 9:12 NIV, Heb 9:24-28 NIV, Heb 10:10-14 NIV, 1 Pet 3:18 NIV
Heb 10:27 NIV Contradiction - This passage is referring to the wrath of God, but believers are no longer appointed to wrath...Job 21:30 NIV, Isa 26:20 NIV, Dan 12:1-2 NIV, Matt 3:12 NIV, John 3:36 NIV, Rom 5:9 NIV, Eph 2:3 NIV, 1 Thess 1:10 NIV, 1 Thess 5:9 NIV
Heb 10:27 NIV Contradiction - This passage says God's wrath will consume His enemies, but believers are no longer enemies of God...Nahum 1:2 ESV, Rom 5:10-11 NIV, Rom 11:28 NIV, Rom 12:19-20 NIV, Heb 10:27 NIV
Heb 10:28 NIV Contradiction - Believers are no longer under the law but under grace, which is the "new covenant"...Rom 6:14 NIV, 1 Cor 11:25 NIV, 2 Cor 3:6 NIV, Heb 8:6 NIV, Heb 8:13 NIV, Heb 9:15 NIV, Heb 12:24 NIV
Heb 10:29 NIV Contradiction - This passage is referring to OT sanctification through the blood of animals. The Mosaic covenant was ratified with blood; and with that blood both the tabernacle with all its vessels, and the people who worshiped before it were sanctified and set apart as holy to the Lord. The covenant of grace however is ratified with the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Moses took from the offerings half of the blood and put it in bowls and the other half he sprinkled on the altar. He read to the people the book of the covenant and once again they all responded, "All that the LORD has said we will do" (Exod 24:7 NIV). Hearing once more their pledge of obedience to the Lord, Moses sprinkled the people with the blood, saying, ‘"This is the blood of the covenant which the LORD has made with you according to all these words"’ (Exod 24:8 NIV). This was a very solemn moment in their national history, for with this sprinkling of the blood and their promise to be obedient, the covenant was ratified and they were sanctified as the people of God (Heb 9:19-20 NIV, Heb 10:29 NIV). As His people, they would be governed by Him according to the commandments and statutes that He had given to them.
Heb 10:30-31 NIV Contradiction - These passages are referring to unbelieving Israel for whom He will judge Ezek 18:30 NIV. They are also referring to the wrath of God, but believers are no longer appointed to wrath...Job 21:30 NIV, Isa 26:20 NIV, Dan 12:1-2 NIV, Matt 3:12 NIV, John 3:36 NIV, Rom 5:9 NIV, Eph 2:3 NIV, 1 Thess 1:10 NIV, 1 Thess 5:9 NIV
Phoneman777 said:
OSAS people are the ones annoyed by the truth
Why would we be annoyed with having eternal life?
Eph 1:13-14 NIV And you also were included in Christ
when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
1 Pet 1:23 NIV / Psalm 106:1 NIV For you have been born again,
not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
2 John 1:2 NIV
because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:
Phoneman777 said:
so they have manufactured a demonic deception that claims the dead faith of OSAS may obtain that which only living faith - faith which seats Christ on the heart and allows Him to produce righteous works in the life of the surrendered saint - may obtain: eternal life.
There you go again accusing saints of things they do not believe in. :huh:
Ex 4:21 NIV The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do.
But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
Ex 7:3-4 NIV
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, 4
he will not listen to you.
Ex 7:13 NIV
Yet Pharaoh's heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said.
Ex 7:22 NIV But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts,
and Pharaoh's heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said.
Ex 8:15 NIV But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief,
he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said.
Ex 8:19 NIV the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God."
But Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not listen, just as the LORD had said.
Ex 10:20 NIV
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go.
Ex 10:27 NIV
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go.
OSAS fully teaches that obedience doesn't matter,
Obedience does matter Phone. What do you think progressive sanctification is........
John 10:25-30 NIV Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
- ATP