ChristianJuggarnaut said:
Personally, I'm not impressed by you, Collins, Miller, or the Catholic Church. So, those examples mean little to me.
So you're sticking to "evolution = atheism" and all the examples of non-atheists being "evolutionists" don't count because, um.....reasons! Well done CJ.
As for your number 5, I already showed that your research referenced and your conclusion do not match.
No you didn't. You complained that they didn't include a few other countries, but didn't give any reason why doing so would change the outcome and turn the conclusion from "most evolutionists are not atheists" to "essentially all evolutionists are atheists". I'd say "nice try" but......well, you know.
You answered but very weakly, so I ignored it.
LOL! Ok then.... :wacko:
By not impressed, I mean I cannot tell if the individuals are believers or not.
You mean you have no idea if
Francis Collins,
Ken Miller, the Pope, and people who are part of
The Clergy Letter Project aren't atheists? No idea at all? Really CJ? :blink:
We know that Atheism is increasing. We know there is a falling away (at least in mainline denominations). We know there are biblical issues with Catholic Church Doctrine and the extra biblical practices associated therewith.
So you really think it's possible that the Pope and all Catholics are actually atheists?
As far as atheism increasing and Christianity declining, I wonder if you appreciate your own role in that? Think about it for a second....you're insisting that "evolution = atheism", right? That's the argument you're adamantly defending as truth, no matter what counter examples or survey data you're given. If we grant your position as true, that means you've set the stage where evidence for evolution = evidence against God, and more reason to not be a Christian. Every time a new transitional fossil is found, a new experiment demonstrating the evolution of a new trait is conducted, a new genome is published and compared to others (the entire field of comparative genomics is about evolution), a new species is observed to evolve....
....every time any of that happens, it's one more reason to not believe in God or be a Christian.
Now personally, I think that's ridiculous. But those are the terms
you're insisting on.
You're setting the terms as "if evolution is true, there is no God and Christianity is false". And I guarantee some young people are hearing that and going "Ok then, guess I'm not a Christian". And then when you look around and see young people leaving the faith in droves, you'll have no one to blame but yourself.