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Many tried to say the Angel is the pre-incarnate Christ. But that was impossible since the flesh of Christ Did not existence Before the incarnation.

How can you incarnate what already exists?

Notice that after the incarnation the angel of God is never mentioned again.
 
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The angel of the Lord said he was God, responded as God, accepted worship and made decisions as God.

An angel does none of the above.

And God is spirit. Not two spirits and one flesh being.

God has appeared as people, fire, a whirlwind, etc. so why can he not appear as an angel?

Now that the second person Trinity took on flesh he never appears as anything but Jesus Christ.

But before the incarnation he was the spirit who could look like anything you wanted, which ceased at that the incarnation.
 

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I think what confuses many people is they wish to give personage to the flesh of Jesus.

But you cannot find that in the Bible anywhere.

Our personage resides in our spirit.

Our spirit resides in flesh, which the Bible calls a vessel in which we live.

When we die our spirit goes to heaven and our flesh to the ground.
 

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Look at when God appeared to Abraham as 3 men.

Two of them went on to Sodom and Gomorrah and one back to heaven.

In Sodom and Gomorrah the Bible calls them angels because their mission changed to be messengers.

But they were still God because they decided the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Lot called them Lords, which angels would not accept being called.
 

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It is similar to The four living creatures.

Most are determined to call them angels, but they are never identified as angels in the Bible.

Nor does the Greek or Hebrew allow for them to be angels

Strong's Number: 2226 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
zw/'on of a derivative of (2198)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Zoon 2:873,290
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
dzo'-on Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. a living being
  2. an animal, brute, beast



Revelation 4:6 New International Version (NIV)

6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

Ezekiel 1:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human,

trong's Number: 02416 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
yx from (02421)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Chay TWOT - 644a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
khah'-ee
Definition
adj
  1. living, alive
    1. green (of vegetation)
    2. flowing, fresh (of water)
    3. lively, active (of man)
    4. reviving (of the springtime) n m
  2. relatives
  3. life (abstract emphatic)
    1. life
    2. sustenance, maintenance n f
  4. living thing, animal
    1. animal
    2. life
    3. appetite
    4. revival, renewal
  5. community
 

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I have noticed that many are ready for a good battle to defend doctrine or their personal thinking.

But when someone challenges their thinking with biblical proof, etc. they are silent.

Which counts more, defending launch and believe or being correct, even if it means changing your thinking?
 

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The Old Testament is loaded with prophecies the prophets wrote knowing they would be long dead before they were fulfilled.

Same with a lot of the new testament.

So who do they write for. Future generations.

Do we have any lesson obligation to do what we can to help those who enter the tribulation find God?
 

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I find it sad so many write off those in the tribulation as a lost cause. Hopeless.

But in reality are they anymore hopeless than those in the world around us today?
 

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The Bible teaches us that in the apostasy hearts will grow cold, even in the church. Don't let your heart be cold.
 
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When Christians were being martyred by pagan Rome in the Catholic Church did they hold to the love of Christ in seeking to bring others to him? Or did they turn tail and run?

Sadly many did. Sadly many today are.
 

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Is anyone else noticed so many current difficult topics into simple erroneous answers and sample answered topics into mysteries?
 

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The Bible shows that each person Trinity has always had a function.

In the Old Testament the first-person set on the throne of God and the third was and still is the Holy Spirit.

So what was the Old Testament function of the second person of the Trinity?