Anti-Christ/Beast...Man Or Angelic Prince?

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Its very possible. Paul and Daniel wrote that when the Beast comes he will exalt and oppose all that is worshiped and called God...So Im wondering if he will also oppose Islam? I think all the people involved in any religion will be given 2 choices..worship the best or die. Many Muslims, Pagans will repent and come to Christ...while the others will worship the Beast.


I truly believe there will be only one religion when the Beast arrives......Luciferianism.

The study of Islam as well as their hope of a future Caliphate(*) rests upon the work of that evil spirit in the world.

Muhammad himself admitted that the spiritual inspiration for the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book, was demonic.

He expressed this belief to his wife and confidants.
The fruit of this spirit was and is a religion based upon deception, murder and despotism; Islam.

Bottom line is that the second largest religion on the planet was inspired by Satan, directed by demonic influences, bears the fruit of wickedness (lies, murder, and theivery) of its true father the devil. ("You will know them by their fruit")

If this isn't organized Luciferism, I don't know what else may pass for it. One is hard pressed to imagine an established faith system that is more reliant upon the father of lies.

Islam is demonic and those that follow the religion are deceived.

Never trust a Muslim.

(*) The Caliphate spoken of today is a future Muslim empire. The last such Muslim Caliphate was the Ottoman Empire which ruled the middle east until the 1920's. The capital of the old caliphate was in Turkey and John the Revelator tells us that the future kingdom of the beast will be the same (Muslim?) and that it's capital will be Turkey again (Pergamum, or Pergamon depending upon which spelling you prefer for the seat of Satan's throne Rev 2:12 & 13). Google Pergamon.

The seat of Satan's power is Pergamum, Turkey. The Bible is self-interpreting and very clear on this. It isn't Rome. Read the Bible and google the modern area. chilling absolutely chilling

WATCH TURKEY.
 

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Nero and the Roman Empire were the Beast power.
 

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Its very possible. Paul and Daniel wrote that when the Beast comes he will exalt and oppose all that is worshiped and called God...So Im wondering if he will also oppose Islam?



Muslims do not worship God they worship an imitation god. Satan, the beast, already has them.



Nero and the Roman Empire were the Beast power.



They were only a type, they were not the real thing and they certainly didn't have people worshipping them.

 

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They were only a type, they were not the real thing and they certainly didn't have people worshipping them.


Nero = 666

The main problem with the Christians in the Roman Empire, according to the Emperors was that they refused to worship the Emperors as gods.
 

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Nero = 666

The main problem with the Christians in the Roman Empire, according to the Emperors was that they refused to worship the Emperors as gods.



They were only a type. By the time the 666 is here most will have already worshipped the 594.

 

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The final Antichrist is going to be Satan himself, on earth. That's what's going to floor the majority at Christ's return when they find that out. God's Word constantly gives hints pointing to Satan himself as the false one coming in our near future.

Satan also has the image of 'man' per God's Word. He does not have horns, nor wear red flannel underwear, nor does he have a pitchfork, and nor does he look like a goat's head, nor is he in the shape of a snake.
 

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Who is the Beast? Man or Machine?

I am betting the beast will be a huge supercomputer that will take over the worlds finances. You will keep up with your finances online and trade with the mark of the beast... 666?

[sup]17[/sup]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [sup]18[/sup]Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13: 17, 18


I agree with you about the supercomputer, but I think that this will be the Satanic "god". Since Satan rejects God and worships 666/ man man man, this indicates that Satan can only worship his own creation - technology. The Satanic god would be a fabricated god for people to worship which would be the "Singularity". http://en.wikipedia....cal_singularity

Technological singularity refers to the hypothetical future emergence of greater-than human intelligence. Since the capabilities of such an intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the occurrence of technological singularity is seen as an intellectual event horizon, beyond which the future becomes difficult to understand or predict. Nevertheless, proponents of the singularity typically anticipate such an event to precede an "intelligence explosion", wherein superintelligences design successive generations of increasingly powerful minds. The term was coined by science fiction writer Vernor Vinge, who argues that artificial intelligence, human biological enhancement or brain-computer interfaces could be possible causes for the singularity. The concept is popularized by futurists like Ray Kurzweil and widely expected by proponents to occur in the early to mid twenty first century.

Again, I believe that this "singularity" god/ Artificial intelligence would be falsified just to have an idol god for people to worship. People would access this "god" through their cell phones and chip implant.


As for the antichrist, just turn on the news and see them pimping Prince William every chance they get. Add in references to William and Kate being crypto Jews http://www.huffingto...o_b_876455.html and we have ourselves the AC messiah (the British Zionists created Israel). And just for clarity's sake, here's what Jews expect out of the messiah (who the AC is impersonating). http://boards.straig...ad.php?t=340669

How do Jews expect to know the Messiah when he [He?] arrives? Is he expected to declare it himself, or will rabbis the world over arrive at a consensus opinion about him? Is he likely to be a political or military figure, or an eminent rabbi or religious scholar? Is he expected to be the Messiah by dint of God's favor, or by His imbuing him or appointing him as a prophet? Will he be expected to be entirely or largely free of sin, or will a fair amount of human frailty be tolerated?

The Messiah will be a human being, just like you and I. As a human being, he will be fallible and not perfect.

The Messiah will be known because there are several tasks that he must accomplish. By accomplishing the tasks, he will be acknowledged as the messiah.

Maimondies (Laws of Kings 11) lists them (translation mine-- in brackets are my additions)

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The king messiah will arise and will restore the Davidic monarchy as it was of old and the country as it was, and build the Temple, and gather in the exiles of Israel. And restore the laws [of the Torah] as they were earlier. And bring sacrifices and set up the Sabbatical and Jubilee years and all the other commandments listed in the Torah.

Maimondies continues later on...

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If a king arises from the Davidic dynasty who adheres to the Torah and performs the commandments as David his father, as specified in the Written and Oral Torahs, and he forces of all Israel do to so [follow the commandments] and strengthens their observance, and fights wars for God, he is a presumptive messiah. If he succeeds, subdues the surrounding nations and builds the Temple in it's place, then he is definitely the messiah.

If he does not succeed or is killed, then it is known that this is not the one the Torah promised and he is like any of the other kings of the Davidic line that were good but died.





And just to round out the unholy trinity, I'll throw in that the false prophet is, IMO, Pres. Obama. From Revelations 11

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.



The 2 witnesses are prophets, one of which is expected to be Elijah. The false prophet is a counterfeit Elijah. So here we see these "powers": power to call down fire upon enemies, has the power to cause droughts, power to turn water to blood, and smite the earth with plagues.

OK, let's put a modern spin on these.
1]Power to call down fire: This would be the Space Based Laser program.

http://www.wslfweb.org/docs/SBLWP.pdf

Quote:

The Space-Based Laser Integrated Flight Experiment:
Global Missile Defense in the Boost Phase
The Space-Based Laser (SBL) is a next-generation directed energy missile defense system being
explored today to provide global, boost-phase intercept of ballistic missiles tomorrow.
SBL is being pursued in a technology demonstration program aimed at launching an experimental laser
into space in 2012 to shoot down a ballistic missile in 2013.
The technology demonstration will be conducted
in full compliance with all relevant international treaties, including the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972.
Known as an Integrated Flight Experiment, or IFX, the program will help Department of Defense policymakers
decide whether to pursue an operational SBL system designed to protect the United States and its
allies from ballistic missiles as part of a layered defense.
In the future, an operational SBL would be integrated within the National Missile Defense architecture
and the family of theater missile defense programs.



More info here and many other places. http://www.fas.org/s...program/sbl.htm

2] Power to cause droughts. This would be HAARP weather control.

3] Power to cause water to turn to blood. This would be radioactive water from Fukishima, BP oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, etc.

4] Power to unleash plagues.
This would be SARS, bird flu, swine flu, etc.

These signs are what are making people think it is the end of the world (2012 being a fabricated end of the world, but in reality being near the mid point of the Tribulation), the false prophet "heralding" the coming of the antichrist god.

Probably the most damning evidence for Obama being the False Prophet is the Norway Spiral event. December 9, 2009 was the Norway Spiral made by EISCAT (similar to US HAARP, High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ ). http://www.universet...ky-over-norway/



This was immediately right before Obama was in Norway to pick up his Nobel Peace Prize. This event was a ritual to make Obama into a false Christ, the 1st seal of Revelations (wise men followed the star with gifts of gold to give to the prince of Peace). And before you scoff at this notion, thinking that the spiral was just “a missile gone astray” as the media presented it, please understand that scientists know how to create man-made aurora effects. In fact, the current NASA director, Charles Bolden Jr., commanded the crew of the Space Shuttle mission that created the first artificial auroral discharge. http://en.wikipedia...._F._Bolden,_Jr.




Since the first Inauguration attempt was not correct on 1-20-09, Obama was inaugurated a second correct time late at night on 1-21-09 (without a Bible). To replicate the 3.5 year tenure of Christ and AC (because Christ was a prophet and will be a king, the 2 are intertwined alot prophetically and many times are ritually redundant), he would be "killed" on 7-21-12 (and resurrected 3 days later). This is possibly the start of the 5 month period of torment of Trumpet 5 (7-21-12 through 12-21-12).





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Who will the final Antichrist be? Pretty easy, that is for those who can read God's Word without listening to men's doctrine...

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(KJV)

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
(KJV)

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Rev 13:4-5
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
(KJV)

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
(KJV)


 

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aspen said:
Nero and the Roman Empire were the Beast power.
You are correct and inaccurate all at the same time.

If one wants to correctly interpret Biblical prophecy one ought to be inclined to consider the events which have transpired since the words were committed to paper. History.

Nero's Rome included the entire Mediterranean basin. History.

In the forth century AD the empire was split into two sections for more efficient administration; the west ruled in Rome and the east ruled in Byzantium/Constantinople. The great capital of the Romans in the city of Rome fell in the fifth century, but the power of Rome continued in the east, in Constantinople under the Byzantines. History.

The rise of Islam two centuries later and the conquest of Arabia soon threatened the Byzantine Empire. The Muslims began to attack the Romans - those who western history books called the Byzantines. BUT the Muslims called them Romans (and still do). History.

When Muslim invaders threatened Constantinople itself, as well as Spain in the west and eastern Europe reaching as far as Vienna the Pope responded by calling for a defensive war - the first Crusade. History.

The very city of Rome raised an army to fight Islam and defend the lands of the church. Muslims never forgot it. History.

In 1453 the eastern capital of Rome, the city of Constantinople later renamed Istanbul, was conquered by the Ottoman leader Mehmed II. The caliphate of the Ottomans, which united all Muslims lasted until November 1, 1922. History.

Following the defeat of the Ottomans in WW I, Turkish nationalism was united by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk who led a national movement culminating in the establishment of the modern state of Turkey in 1934. History.

Move to the twenty first century and take a look at Muslim rhetoric, rhetoric in Arabia, rhetoric in Iran and rhetoric in Turkey itself. In all places four things are common;
- desire for a revival of the caliphate on the pattern of the Ottomans
- unity of Islamic nations
- revenge for perceived persecution of Islam
- struggle/jihad against Rome.

Rome in Muslim terminology means the west; Europe, America and the church.
Rome in historic records refers to the political power which ruled from the same city for the longest period of time in human history - Constantinople.
Rome in prophetic terms refers to a power that raises itself up against God and basic human rights, the very epitome of evil incarnate - Islam. It's political capital is the same city, Istanbul/Constantinople/Byzantium, that which inherited the ancient power of Rome.

When interpretations of Biblical prophecies are considered from the point of view of the first century when they were written, when the great empire had not yet split and intervening history had not yet been written, no other city matches the pattern other than Rome, Italy.

But that was then and this is now!

"There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it."
- Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey (since March 14, 2003)

Prophecy is and always has been about descriptions of events in the future. In Biblical terms, the extreme future. Two thousand years later, in the extreme future where we now live, the events that have transpired reveal an astounding duplication of the Biblical pattern of what the world WOULD look like, what the world DOES look like today!

In light of events of the past fifteen hundred years the primary evidence for a major anti-God world system IS the development and growth of the most murderous anti-Christian empire and religion the world has ever seen; Islam. Go back to the Holy Bible and consider its description of the religious, economic, political and even historic roots of this system.

The ancient power of Rome effected history from the same city, Constantinople, from centuries before Jesus time until 1922! The sword of Muhammad, the battle flag he used to conquer Mecca and a tuft of the prophets hair are all preserved in a museum in Istanbul/Constantinople to this day. There is no greater link between Biblical prophecy and current events than this city and the people who now rule it.

Today Islam works and prays and hopes for a restoration of the twelfth caliphate which will unite all Muslims under the direction of one man, he who is called al Mahdi. Compare the descriptions of al Mahdi in Muslim prophecy to Christian and Jewish prophecy. They MATCH! Nearly ever single detail of prophecy in all three religions MATCH!

Has this ever happened before? Ever?
Is there another religious political and economic system on the planet that even comes close to the anti-Christian dedication evidenced by Islam? There were the NAZIs and the Communists, but they were and are atheist in nature, not religious at all. Those systems didn't match all the criteria. Islam does. History.

Biblical cautions describing times and places and people in the end times are chillingly accurate. And they all point to Islam, every single one of them including those of Islam itself!

Read books like THE ISLAMIC ANTI-CHRIST, THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO ISLAM AND THE CRUSADES and others.

Now is the time to educate yourself.
Don't rely on the lies of the media.
They are opposed to Christianity and favor Islam already and you know it!

"We ask Allah to turn this Ramadan into a month of glory, victory, and might, to hoist high the banner of religion*, to strengthen Islam and the Muslims, to humiliate polytheism and polytheists [Christians], to wave the banner of monotheism, to firmly plant the banner of jihad*, and to smite the perverts and the obstinate."
- Sheikh Aamer bin Abdallah al-Aamer 2004

"There will come a time when men will kill you and think they are doing God a favor."
- Jesus

If Our Lord wasn't talking about Muslims, then who?
If the Bible wasn't talking about rabid militant Islam, then what?
If prophetic interpretations aren't referring to conditions today, then when?

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
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(*) Keep your eyes out for this 'banner of religion'. It's also called the flag of jihad. Jihad means 'struggle'.

It's a black flag with white (sometimes yellow) Arabic words written on it. There may also be a sword or an assault rifle portrayed beneath the words. in English the words are the shahada - the Muslim statement of faith 'There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet'. These are the same words as on other flags such as the Saudi flag; white text on a green field.

The black flag of jihad, this banner of religion, has also been adopted by a terrorist group. Perhaps you've heard of them; al Qaeda.
 

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The Antichrist and the Judgment of This Wicked Generation

10/24/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Timothy, write all things as The Lord commands you, for the time draws oh so short...Hence, in six years time shall the nations fall, for the beast is now among you. Even now, this very day, he makes his play for power. Beware... For he is coming in the guise of peace, a lover of men.
Know this, all you of wisdom, and all you who have received understanding: He is a snare... He opens the pit of hell, which is the grave, and suffering does follow after him. He is the maker of lies, and all his people will believe him. For it has been ordained by The Most High, that all those, not of The Word, shall believe the lies.
And his lies proceed from him, like the fragrance of a rose in full bloom... A sweet perfume taken deeply into the lungs, of the one who has bent down to partake of its scent... But oh how quickly does it turn, once ingested, quickly becoming the most awful and putrid smell. Rotting from the inside are his people... They are already dead, for there is no breath left in them... Only a rotten stench and putrefying sores remain.
Timothy, you must turn the tide of their hearts quickly, and in the beginning you must do so, for steadfast is My wrath against them.

Thus says The Lord, concerning those who do not turn, all those who refuse to see the Truth, who do rebel against their God: Your hearts shall be hardened, for you are lost...WICKED GENERATION!... Worshippers of him, who has wroth anger and blasphemy at his heart! Therefore, My fierce countenance shall be unveiled!... And woe to those who remain!...



Woe, woe, woe, to the peoples of the earth!...

The time has come!...

No longer will I endure the evil madness of this world of men!


My patience is all but lost... My Word and My ways, even My very Son, have become an insult to them, and oh how they do rebel against Me, even wholeheartedly. No longer do I stop their ears, yet they do stop them of their own accord, willingly... Lest they should hear even one shining glimmer of The Word’s majesty, and be saved.



Travesty! Oh travesty!... My people have turned from Me!...

Therefore, it is with a heavy heart, that I must now turn My hand against them.


Yet do not fear, O servants, for I have first poured out My Spirit upon the whole world, and with a loud voice have I uttered to all, saying, “Hear Me... I am The Lord, YOUR GOD! Hear Me!... Turn from your ways, return to Me, and read My Word!... Come to Me, know Me, for My love for you is great... Listen to My Son, accept Him, and repent!”
For He have I sent into the midst of the world, to reap. And He shall surely gather, even all those who remain willing... All, in whom He sees of Himself. Soon I will call Him back, and with Him shall come all those who are Mine, even every one who I had drawn to Him. Woe to those who would not come, woe to those who I must leave... They will suffer My fierce anger, the bitter anguish of My heart.



For My heart is broken...

And I will avenge those persecuted for My name,
And those who were slain, of innocent blood...

Their blood, their most precious nectar of life... The very lights of the world.


So I say, FEAR!... Fear and tremble unto death, for death will be a blessing to those who remain!... For My fierce anger is aroused. It is burning hot as a furnace, and shall rage seven times, and who shall quench it?! I will judge and punish those who rebel against Me! And slay ALL, who have murdered My saints and prophets!... With a double portion reserved for those, who have hurt My little ones!
Lo, they, who have harmed My precious lights of the world, will cry out, “Please let us have the millstone about our necks, and cast us into the depths of the sea, and hide us from the face of The One who sits on high, and has come against us as a terrible storm, as an everlasting scourging.” Behold, in that Day, I will cause them all to turn on one another, even to destruction of the earth... And the blood shall flow, even as the River Euphrates, when its waters are about to burst its banks... As a flood after a torrential rain, reaching to the height of a horse’s bridle.



Then The Son shall appear in His strength,
Coming on the clouds, in all power and glory...

No one will escape the light of His coming!... No one!...

Not in the heavens, on the earth or under the earth.


His light will leave not a shadow, for His glory shall pierce the heavens and permeate the entire earth... Even to the bottom of the abyss. In that day, all those not of The Son will be driven through unto death, with the light of His coming and the sword of His mouth. None will be left standing, for He has set forth a great feast for the birds and the beasts of the earth, to become engorged on the flesh of the damned... His power is boundless!
Woe, woe, woe, to the beast and his false prophet! For they will bow before The King, and confess HE is Lord, saying, “Jesus, You are The Christ, and truly, You are The King of kings and Lord of lords... Have mercy on us.” Yet He will not hear their pleas, for they have slain the saints and led many into damnation... The blood of many is on their hands.
Therefore, He, The King of Power and Glory, will give unto them a fierce scourging, with the sword of His mouth, in the presence of the saints, the angels, and the dragon. Then He will cast them into the lake of burning fire; and they will suffer day and night, until the end. Then to the dragon will he do likewise, except this: He will first bind him, until the plan of the ages, the design of The Most High, comes to its conclusion...



Then shall come the time of great rejoicing...

When indeed, all things have been put under the feet, of The Holy One of Israel...

The last being that of death.





[And the angels shout]

Glory and everlasting praise, to The Lord and to His Son,

Who is the beginning of all things, and the end of all that is wicked!



Glory be on high!... All things have become new!
 

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Now then, are there other Biblical pointers in God's Word to show the coming final Antichrist-beast will be Satan himself, and none other?

Yes. In Rev.12:3-4 we are shown about a beast kingdom associated with a specific timing...

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(KJV)

The timing of that bold phrase in verse 4 gives us the time of that "great red dragon" and that "seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." Per the later Rev.12:7 verse we are told that "dragon" title is another symbolic title for Satan himself. So when did he draw a third part of the stars (angels) of heaven, and cast them to the earth? He did that at his original first rebellion against God, when he coveted God's Throne for himself. "You mean Satan had a literal kingdom he setup on earth then that had seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns?" YES. The Old Testament prophets hint about it, like in Ezekiel 31 for one example.

Did you notice how many "crowns" that beast kingdom of Rev.12:3 had? What about this next beast kingdom of the very next Revelation chapter 13?


Rev 13:1
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
(KJV)

Do you notice a different number of "crowns" there? You should, since it's "ten crowns" instead of the "seven crowns" of the beast system of Rev.12:3-4. The beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 is for the last days. The beast of Rev.12:3-4 was when Satan first rebelled.


Some might ask, "So how could Satan have a beast kingdom structure upon the earth in that time of old when he first rebelled?" Most likely it was a type of angelic beast kingdom upon the earth in that time of old that he first rebelled with. But nevertheless, it is... pointing to a kingdom structure like the one in Rev.13:1 given for the last days, our times.

How many have missed this direct association between those two beast kingdoms in those Scriptures? (I did for a long time).


This is one more Biblical pointer that Satan is who will come as the final Antichrist and set himself up as king over all the earth prior to our Lord Jesus' return. It has to do with what he did before when he drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him. Does it make more sense now why our Lord Jesus told us the great tribulation He mentioned will be a time on earth that has never been since the beginning of the world, nor ever will be again?

Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(KJV)

Just what period would that "since the beginning of the world to this time" cover? It's from the time of the man Adam down to our times, and not back to the time when Satan first rebelled. If you don't get my meaning, I'll be plain: what Satan first did in the time old when he first rebelled against God, which caused God to bring this present world time, that's what he is going to try and do once again, for the end. Is there Biblical proof of that? Yes...


Isa 14:4-17
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, "How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

The Hebrew word for this "proverb" (mashal) is about a similie, a metaphor or parable. God uses the title of "the king of Babylon" about the one He is speaking of here, but its applied as a metaphor for Satan himself. The "oppressor" here is about Satan himself, when his power will have ceased.


5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

The whole earth will not be at rest, quiet, and break forth into singing until Satan is cast into the pit at Christ's second coming, a time still future to us.


8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, 'Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.'

In Ezekiel 17 & 21, God uses the idea of cedars of Lebanon as a symbolic title for kings. This is what kings will be saying about Satan once his power has ceased. Once Satan is "laid down" (Rev.19 & 20 cast in the pit for the thousand years), none will have come up against them.


9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, 'Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?'

When Satan is cast into the pit at Christ's return per Rev.20, this is what his servant rulers cast with him will be saying about him. "Art thou also become as weak as we? art thou become like unto us?"


11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Our Heavenly Father uses this idea of the grave for the pit where Satan will be cast into at our Lord Jesus' return. The "noise of thy viols" is about a musical instrument made of skins, like bag-pipes.



12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.'

This is the important link to what Satan sinned in the beginning with, in coveting God's Throne for himself, wanting to be The GOD. The title "Lucifer" there was taken from the Latin; the KJV translators put an alternate in the margin of the 1st edition KJV Bible of "O day starre". The Hebrew phrase that is written there means that, "O day starre", or 'morning star'. Per Rev.22 we know that ONLY our Lord Jesus is the True Morning Star. God is simply showing us what Satan covets, meaning he wants to be The Christ. But Satan is not the Morning Star. Our Heavenly Father is only using Satan's own words to mock him...

So in summary of that idea, Satan wanting to be GOD and His Christ is how he first rebelled in the beginning.


15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, 'Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?'
(KJV)

And our Heavenly Father says that he is not going to be HIm, but instead he will be brought down to the sides of the pit. And those who will look upon him will then say, "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms...."?


Now what warnings that our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us for the end links with that specific sin of rebellion that Satan did of old?

II Th 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(KJV)

There it is, Apostle Paul was very plain about it. And he linked the idea of many being deceived by that working for the last days, even calling it "strong delusion" that God Himself is sending upon those who rebel against Him and His Word (2 Thess.2:11). Paul also attached the same idea of miracle working, great signs and wonders with that which our Lord Jesus did with the pseudo-Christ of Matt.24:24 and Mark 13:22. That warning was repeated through Apostle John to the seven Churches again in Rev.13 about the "another beast" who appears with two horns LIKE a lamb, but speaks as a dragon (Satan).

Thus God has tied the same kind of events of Satan's first rebellion which caused Him to bring this present world also with the very end of this present world, when Satan himself will be cast down out of the heavenly dimension to our earthly dimension, and set himself up to be worshipped in place of Christ The King, and try to trick you into bowing to him with wrongly thinking he is our Lord Jesus.


You will hear many that will try to counter all this. They will lie to you any way they can, and our Heavenly Father and His Son allows that as a test to see who you're going to listen to. This is not just my opinion, by noting those direct Scripture links I provided above there is a direct association with Satan's rebellion of old and another final attempt of the same thing for the very end of this world.

Who then, are those that would try and counter all that? The deceived? Yes, but are there workers on earth that 'knowingly' serve Satan that try to stop this revelation from God's Word? You bet there are. That's why those workers are always so busy coming up with ideas that always point as far away as possible... from the Biblical fact that Satan himself is going to be the final Antichrist upon the earth in our near future.

THIS is what the coming tribulation upon the earth is going to be about, a test upon God's people that will have a lot in determing our place in the future, either reigning with Christ, or being cast to the outer darkness with the goats. Our Lord Jesus will not be happy with those brethren that fall away to wrongly bow in worship to Satan thinking he is our Lord Jesus, especially since He well warned us about it in His Word beforehand.

This is Big Picture stuff, a view that many brethren hardly ever hear preached in any of today's pulpits.
 

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"Anti-Christ/Beast...Man Or Angelic Prince?"

The answer is both. The angelic prince is none other than The Prince of Persia himself": Allah Mahoziem.

"He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses........." This is written in Chaldean....the god of fortresses could also be translated the god of war....& literally it is "Ala Mahoziem"......or...Ala.....the god of war!.[ Daniel 11 ],,,this major demon is the one & same prince that Michael stood against.

The anti-Christ is possessed by the beast & he is a man....a man who received a deadly wound to the head; Died, & resurrected from the dead. Who do you know that had the most publicised assassination in the history of the world?...Zero-Dark-Thirty....Osama Bin Laden. He is the anti-Christ. I met him in late September in North Africa, along with the prophet with him. I witnessed him calling down huge pillars of fire....& felt the wrath of his murderous fury. I looked him in the eyes...the eyes of a beast....6 1/2 feet tall...& very very thin....surrounded by perhaps 30 bodyguards....& evil witchcraft-power more than I could express. I prophesied to him also.

THE FALSE PROPHET...
"And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived."

THESE ARE MEN ON THE EARTH. I WITNESSED PILLARS OF FIRE 50-60 FEET HIGH...SWIRLING WITHIN WITH FIREY BILLOWS.....STANDING ALONE.....TWO DIFFERENT NIGHTS...& I MET HIM TOO.

This is a man who must be killed, by a wound to the head.

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.....[ This is about Osama Bin Laden..]

Revelation 13:12
And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. [ This is about the false prophet/murderer. ]

"The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon..."

Satan gives his power to Allah who inhabits the beast; the ressurected beast.

Here is an account of that experience four months ago as I write.
http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-white-horseanti-christ-aliveobl.html#comment-form

I do not think that they have been released into their 42 month anointing yet......but they are here with great power....I have met them. They are here...& maybe beginning there 1st 42 month period....which may signal the beginning of the Tribulation...I do not know....but I believe that things are going to be like a stone rolling down a mountain now...exponential events of Tribulation.

This is very interesting......the Muslim prophesies about the Mahdi.....I heard the bodyguards there calling OBL Mahdi....

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com/com/iran.html
 

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The final Antichrist will be a 'man' alright, because the cherub Satan also has the image of man. Saying that the Antichrist will be some other man than Satan himself is not Biblical. Instead, it's a pop assumption from political correctness type Church organizational systems rooted from the seminaries of men.
 

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Veteran has made a point in post #34 that should be considered seriously. Liberal seminaries have been working to dilute the gospel message for over a century and the church is now reaping the harvest of lies they have sewn in our midst. We will do well to remember it. The anti-Christ will indeed be a man. It's the foundation for Biblical prophecy concerning the mischief this man will lead the world into.

Christian prophecy makes two statements about the man of sin that Islamic prophecy does not.

First is that the Bible says God will cause a great deception upon the earth, so great that almost everyone will buy it. The man of sin will arise in this culture; the chief liar of liars, the greatest murderer among murderers and the greatest thief of them all for he will steal the truth of salvation from men's hearts and minds.

Second is that at some period in time the anti-Christ will 'reveal himself' or be revealed as evil incarnate. Biblical prophecy about this is very precise. In fact, events seem to pivot on the announcement. All hell will break loose after it. Only a man could cause such cultural disruption. The Bible strongly indicates this is what will happen.

* * *

I have written earlier about the deception that is Islam. At present the politically correct attitude is that Islam is defensive in nature only. Poor Muslims are only trying to defend their way of life, or so we are led to believe. Except that history records deception and murder from the beginning of the religion. Mohammad rode into Mecca as the proud commanding general of an invading army. Jesus humbly rode into Jerusalem on a donkey with salvation and forgiveness in His heart. The contrast between the two religious leaders was obvious from the very beginning.

The media denies jihad against the truth. The whole world is either buying into this deception or yielding to Islamic militants. We are now witnessing the unfolding of the truth of ancient Biblical prophecy before our very eyes. The great deception is now obvious; Islam.

Islam categorically denies that any man can be god. Their chief objection to accepting Jesus as the Son of God rests on this axiom. The Qur'an says so. How then could the man of sin be Muslim? Read on...

Consider if you will a scenario where militant Muslims get their wish. The man al-Mahdi comes to the forefront of Islamic attention and manages to unite all Islam under the twelfth caliphate and one single capital city; Istanbul/Constantinople. For a while this person will exude confidence that world domination will be possible. For a while this person will promise peace and safety. For a while this person will even inspire admiration and a sort of cultic celebrity status. Until he proclaims himself to be the incarnation of Allah, that is.

Such an announcement will be no epiphany to Christians who already think he's a liar from the pit, but what of those who believed him? What of the Muslims who have given their allegiance and their hopes and their souls to him? What a shock! What an abhorrent revelation to those whose own scripture now defines this man as evil? What a trap they will find themselves stuck in!

Biblical prophecy seems to point to some sort of great paradigm shift in events after this great leader elevates himself to divinity. Mostly the Bible indicates that this man of sin will take his gloves off. No more nice guy, as it were. The reader probably knows what happens next. The political ramifications of this revelation are obvious. Either the man of sin must immediately lead his armies to war or he must step down from the high office he assumes. Biblical prophecy records the obvious next step and none of it is pretty.

I've made several assumptions and extensions of Islamic and Christian prophecies here, many of which will no doubt be unpopular. But are they really out of the realm of possibility? I think not, especially if the anti-Christ is to be a man.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
 

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You've obviously missed a lot from Dan.10 you don't have a clue about...

Dan 10:5-6
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
(KJV)

Daniel being given a Heavenly vision when that one said the following...

Dan 10:12-13
12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me
; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
(KJV)

The Archangel Gabriel is who gave Daniel the earlier visions in Dan.8 & 9. This is most likely Gabriel also. The "prince of the kingdom of Persia" withstood him for 21 days, then the Archangel Michael came to help him. THAT is taking place in Heaven, not on the earth. That is a Heavenly pattern for earthly events. That prince of Persia is pointing to Satan in the Heavenly.


Dan 10:18-21
18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
(KJV)

Once again, this is probably the Archangel Gabriel saying that to Daniel. Look up the definition of Gabriel's name, for it means 'man of God' (Strong's no.1403).

Even in Isaiah 14 where God is speaking about Satan (Lucifer), God calls him a man ("Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms..."?)

Genesis 18-19 shows the two angels that went to rescue Lot and his family had the appearance of men. It's because the angelic likeness and appearance is with the image appearance of 'man'. When God said Let Us make man in Our Image, after Our likeness, that Image is that of man.

Oh ok you got me on that one.
 

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The study of Islam as well as their hope of a future Caliphate(*) rests upon the work of that evil spirit in the world.

Muhammad himself admitted that the spiritual inspiration for the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book, was demonic.

He expressed this belief to his wife and confidants.
The fruit of this spirit was and is a religion based upon deception, murder and despotism; Islam.

Bottom line is that the second largest religion on the planet was inspired by Satan, directed by demonic influences, bears the fruit of wickedness (lies, murder, and theivery) of its true father the devil. ("You will know them by their fruit")

If this isn't organized Luciferism, I don't know what else may pass for it. One is hard pressed to imagine an established faith system that is more reliant upon the father of lies.

Islam is demonic and those that follow the religion are deceived.

Never trust a Muslim.

(*) The Caliphate spoken of today is a future Muslim empire. The last such Muslim Caliphate was the Ottoman Empire which ruled the middle east until the 1920's. The capital of the old caliphate was in Turkey and John the Revelator tells us that the future kingdom of the beast will be the same (Muslim?) and that it's capital will be Turkey again (Pergamum, or Pergamon depending upon which spelling you prefer for the seat of Satan's throne Rev 2:12 & 13). Google Pergamon.

The seat of Satan's power is Pergamum, Turkey. The Bible is self-interpreting and very clear on this. It isn't Rome. Read the Bible and google the modern area. chilling absolutely chilling

WATCH TURKEY.
All world religion is inspired by Satan. The gods of the nations are demons. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Mohammed lived 600 years after Christ and the Quran post dated all the biblical writings; It's not surprising that he knew enough about the Bible to hijack prophecies and teachings to support his own evil works. Isn't this what cult leaders do to this day? The Bible defines true religion (pure and undefiled religion (or fasting) as defined by God) twice that I'm aware of, first in Isaiah chapter 58 and then in the book of James and in chapter 1. Neither passage speaks of anything which is meritorious, but rather of that which is acceptible before God and blessed in its inception and fruition. Islam is demonic in origin, but how is freemasonry or mormonism, or bhuddism, or hinduism not demonic? Doesn't every religion attempt to steal glory from the only One who is worthy of it? Doesn't all religion have at it's core the notion that men can earn merit with their creator and gain godliness or eternal life through personal effort and work? If I'm saved at all, it isn't by anything that I've done or will do, but by God who alone is our Savior. If I did any work to be saved, it was the work of confessing my sinful nature, my need of a Savior, and the proclamation of my belief in and submission to our Lord and the redemptive power of His sacrifice. The Bible says that even these works were not my own but of the Witness within me, received by faith and through His grace. Anything which denies that simple truth which came down from above, opposes the gospel and the One from whom it issued. Is the muslim who believes that he'll receive 40 virgins as a reward for his own martyrdom more deceived than the Catholic who believes that he just needs to recite the "hail Mary" prayer before he dies to go to heaven? The muslim in that example could perform a more heinous crime in our eyes if he chose martyrdom, but the catholic is just as lost if he places his faith in anything other than Christ. I recently heard a story of a former muslim terrorist who came to faith in Christ in the midst of an attempt at martyrdom with a bomb strapped to his body. The man wanted to know who Jesus really is, but didn't believe the testimony of the saints until he attempted to detonate the device upon himself repeatedly and failed. He took that as a sign.
Islam is certainly waiting for anti-christs to appear in fulfillment of their own beliefs, but they aren't alone in this, so are the luciferians. Many of the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah and if they accept one who comes in his own name, I doubt that he will be a muslim. The only way to remain undeceived by Satan is to trust in the One who came to destroy His works and remain grounded and rooted in His word.
 

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The greatest blessing for all of us to keep in mind, enabling us to refuse any other version of affairs, for it is a truth that Yah'shua said himself:<br /><br />All Believers have given plainly to them in the Scriptures the fact that the one and only Yah'shua haMashiach will return very visibly, in splendor, and glory, and with the clouds, and with the quick and the dead called up to meet Him in the twinkle of an eye.<br /><br />There is no need to look any other place, or to seek anyone who claims to be god incarnate, because until Yah'shua returns in the same way he left the earth, He will not be here, and every other claim or statement by anyone for any reason that is contrary to this is a lie, and is of the Devil.<br /><br /><br />Q
 

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Questor said:
The greatest blessing for all of us to keep in mind, enabling us to refuse any other version of affairs, for it is a truth that Yah'shua said himself:<br /><br />All Believers have given plainly to them in the Scriptures the fact that the one and only Yah'shua haMashiach will return very visibly, in splendor, and glory, and with the clouds, and with the quick and the dead called up to meet Him in the twinkle of an eye.<br /><br />There is no need to look any other place, or to seek anyone who claims to be god incarnate, because until Yah'shua returns in the same way he left the earth, He will not be here, and every other claim or statement by anyone for any reason that is contrary to this is a lie, and is of the Devil.<br /><br /><br />Q
And the way our Lord Jesus comes like you stated is a very... important distinction in recognizing the arrival of the near future coming of the pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned us about (Matt.24:23-26; Rev.13:11-18; Rev.12:7-17; Rev.11:7).
 

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Therefore, thus says The Lord your God, of whom you have forsaken and not known, choosing rather to strike Me from all remembrance, that your consciences may be free: There is another king, and he have I appointed over you; and him you shall serve, until the time be changed. He shall be fierce, and his countenance shall be like no other man. Yet to you he will be like a savior, full of kind and smooth words, hissing softly as a serpent which hypnotizes its prey into submission... A serpent, a man understanding dark sentences, a man who serves the prince and the power of the air. He shall reign in all the earth for a short season, and you shall flock to him and bow down; and you shall bear in your foreheads, and upon your right hands, the mark and the number of his name.



For you have all become as goats fatted for the slaughter!...

You have chosen vanities
And do always revel in your uncleanness,
Pursuing all the lusts thereof...


And so I give to you a king,
One who shall woo you and bring in the slaughter...

And you, together with him,
Shall drink of the wine of the wrath of My fury...

Then you will know, I am The Lord!

Excerpt from:

Repent, For The Time is at Hand... And Judgment Must Now Reign

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Repent%2C_For_The_Time_is_at_Hand..._And_Judgment_Must_Now_Reign