Anti-Christ/Beast...Man Or Angelic Prince?

[Sugarhitman]

Who is the Anti-Christ? Is he a man or an Angelic Prince? This is important because I believe many of us have fallen into slandering many political leaders like Obama and others by accusing them of being the Beast or the False Prophet. In my humble opinion I believe this person is an Angelic Prince. Apostle Paul made a eye opening statement in his Epistle:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Ephesians 6 NKJV


That can only mean our war is with Rebel Angelic Princes, and not men. Lets take a look at what Daniel wrote:

And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. [sup]10[/sup] And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. [sup]11[/sup] He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. [sup]12[/sup] Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.

Dan. 8



Now, this is a glimpse I believe, of war between God's Angels, and the Rebel Angels who will be led by the Beast. No man can do that to the Angelic Army of heaven. And if im right, this is also a scary prediction..because it would mean that for a time Believers and Israel will have little protection which is provided by Michael, one of the Chief Princes responsible for protecting Israel. This Rebel Angelic Army will be so strong that people will say:

“Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Rev. 13



Noticed that Daniel also wrote:

He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.

Dan. 8


Are these mighty and Holy People also the Angelic Army of Heaven? Will there be a parallel war against Israel, Christians and the Angelic Forces? I believe so...in fact these Angels are already resisting God. Gabriel disclosed this fact:

“Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. [sup]13[/sup] But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

Dan. 10


We see a clear separation between "the kings" and the "prince of Persia". This prince is an Angelic Prince, and he resisted Gabriel to prevent him from reaching Daniel with his message, which required the assistance of Michael to defeat him.

And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. [sup]21[/sup] But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

Dan. 10


Michael is the Angelic Prince of Israel (and all believers) and these princes are Rebel Angelic Princes ruling over the Gentile nations. It is a wonder than why nations have been so hostile towards Israel, the Jewish Diaspora, and real practicing Christians? Also this Prince of Greece may very well be the Anti-Christ because note:

Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. [sup]9[/sup] And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land.

And the male goat is the kingdom[sup] [/sup]of Greece.... “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.

Dan. 8



and noticed this:

And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Those people who destroyed the second Temple were the Romans via the Greek Legions from Syria. The Grecian Empire did not disappear with it's defeat by Rome. The Roman Empire later split into the Greek Byzantine and Roman/Latin Empire, who later became East and West Europe. According to wiki:

Latin was written using the Latin Alphabet, derived from the Old Italic alphabet, in turn drawn from the Greek and ultimately the Phoenician alphabet.[sup][22][/sup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin



So the Roman Empire was just as much a Grecian Empire.




Lets go to Revelations to learn more about our foe. Noticed that:

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Rev. 11


The Two Witnesses, preach for the first 3 1/2 years. And after they finish their testimony, they are killed by the Beast that comes out of the Abyss. Again showing that this is no man. He may come as a man, but he isnt really a man. This also seems to refute the idae that he will establish a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. I believe the Israelis will experience peace during the testimony of the Two-Witnesses, until the beast arrives and defeat them. Notice also that:

And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[sup][c][/sup] for forty-two months.

Rev. 13


So how he can make a Treaty with Israel for 7 years if he only continues for 3 1/2 years? And the Abyss is only opened after the 5th trumpet:

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. [sup]2[/sup] And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace.....And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

Rev. 9


Its only natural to believe that if this Apollyon is the King of the Abyss, then the Beast who comes out of the Abyss to become King of the world has to be Apollyon. Thats why:

The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.... The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. [sup]10[/sup] There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. [sup]11[/sup] The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Rev. 17



So the Beast once lived, now is not..but will live again when he comes out of the Abyss. Clearly not a man. It also shows that the five fallen heads are fallen Angelic Princes...the Five Princes of Egypt, Babylon, Syria, Greece, Persia...one remains, who I believe is the False Prophet another Angelic Prince, who will rule with the Beast and Satan. The Beast is very likely to be the Prince of Greece, who sometime during history felled, and will rise again. Because why would John say the Greeks called his name "Apollyon"?



According to the sources ive read the only Greek god that was called Apollyon was the god Apollos, the god of Plagues, a son of Zeus. And remember what both Moses and Paul said that what the Gentiles worship are in fact "Devils"...there are real Devils behind these pagan gods. Interesting, that the Beast will build an image of himself to be worshiped, confirming the Devils behind Idol worship statement made by Moses and Paul.




Conclusion:


The Beast is not a man...he is not a Pope, he is not the President of the US or any other country...he is an Angelic Prince.

 

[rockytopva]

Who is the Beast? Man or Machine?

I am betting the beast will be a huge supercomputer that will take over the worlds finances. You will keep up with your finances online and trade with the mark of the beast... 666?

[sup]17[/sup]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [sup]18[/sup]Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13: 17, 18

 

[veteran]

Who is the Anti-Christ? Is he a man or an Angelic Prince? This is important because I believe many of us have fallen into slandering many political leaders like Obama and others by accusing them of being the Beast or the False Prophet. In my humble opinion I believe this person is an Angelic Prince. Apostle Paul made a eye opening statement in his Epistle:


Ephesians 6 NKJV


That can only mean our war is with Rebel Angelic Princes, and not men. Lets take a look at what Daniel wrote:


Dan. 8

Now, this is a glimpse I believe, of war between God's Angels, and the Rebel Angels who will be led by the Beast. No man can do that to the Angelic Army of heaven. And if im right, this is also a scary prediction..because it would mean that for a time Believers and Israel will have little protection which is provided by Michael, one of the Chief Princes responsible for protecting Israel. This Rebel Angelic Army will be so strong that people will say:


Rev. 13

Noticed that Daniel also wrote:


Dan. 8

Are these mighty and Holy People also the Angelic Army of Heaven? Will there be a parallel war against Israel, Christians and the Angelic Forces? I believe so...in fact these Angels are already resisting God. Gabriel disclosed this fact:


Dan. 10

We see a clear separation between "the kings" and the "prince of Persia". This prince is an Angelic Prince, and he resisted Gabriel to prevent him from reaching Daniel with his message, which required the assistance of Michael to defeat him.



Dan. 10

Michael is the Angelic Prince of Israel (and all believers) and these princes are Rebel Angelic Princes ruling over the Gentile nations. It is a wonder than why nations have been so hostile towards Israel, the Jewish Diaspora, and real practicing Christians? Also this Prince of Greece may very well be the Anti-Christ because note:


Dan. 8


and noticed this:


Those people who destroyed the second Temple were the Romans via the Greek Legions from Syria. The Grecian Empire did not disappear with it's defeat by Rome. The Roman Empire later split into the Greek Byzantine and Roman/Latin Empire, who later became East and West Europe. According to wiki:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin


So the Roman Empire was just as much a Grecian Empire.


Lets go to Revelations to learn more about our foe. Noticed that:


Rev. 11

The Two Witnesses, preach for the first 3 1/2 years. And after they finish their testimony, they are killed by the Beast that comes out of the Abyss. Again showing that this is no man. He may come as a man, but he isnt really a man. This also seems to refute the idae that he will establish a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. I believe the Israelis will experience peace during the testimony of the Two-Witnesses, until the beast arrives and defeat them. Notice also that:


Rev. 13

So how he can make a Treaty with Israel for 7 years if he only continues for 3 1/2 years? And the Abyss is only opened after the 5th trumpet:


Rev. 9

Its only natural to believe that if this Apollyon is the King of the Abyss, then the Beast who comes out of the Abyss to become King of the world has to be Apollyon. Thats why:


Rev. 17

So the Beast once lived, now is not..but will live again when he comes out of the Abyss. Clearly not a man. It also shows that the five fallen heads are fallen Angelic Princes...the Five Princes of Egypt, Babylon, Syria, Greece, Persia...one remains, who I believe is the False Prophet another Angelic Prince, who will rule with the Beast and Satan. The Beast is very likely to be the Prince of Greece, who sometime during history felled, and will rise again. Because why would John say the Greeks called his name "Apollyon"?


According to the sources ive read the only Greek god that was called Apollyon was the god Apollos, the god of Plagues, a son of Zeus. And remember what both Moses and Paul said that what the Gentiles worship are in fact "Devils"...there are real Devils behind these pagan gods. Interesting, that the Beast will build an image of himself to be worshiped, confirming the Devils behind Idol worship statement made by Moses and Paul.


Conclusion:


The Beast is not a man...he is not a Pope, he is not the President of the US or any other country...he is an Angelic Prince.

Keep with it, you're almost there.

That "Angelic Prince" is a 'man', but not a flesh born man. The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'. Remember, the image likeness of man originated from the Heavenly from God's Own Image (Gen.1:26-27).

Remember also, John was shown two different 'beasts' in Rev.13. The 2nd beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is about that angelic prince you mention, who is also Apollyon and Abaddon, and the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit per Rev.11.

Note also in Rev.11, that the 7th Trumpet of Christ's coming happens immediately at the end of the three days and a half when God's two witnesses resurrect; it ends the 2nd Woe period. That would have to mean the 1260 days the two witnesses prophesy is the Latter half of the great tribulation. Notice that Rev.11:7 reveals it's the beast that ascends... out of the bottomless pit that kills them at the end of their 1260 days prophesying, not that the beast only ascends at that moment. It's a 'who' description about that beast, not a 'when' of his appearance on earth.

And with the 5th Trumpet (1st woe period), it's the locusts that are mentioned being released out of the bottomless pit, not their king, not yet. The loosing on the 6th Trumpet (2nd woe period) is when that angelic prince is loosed to command that locust army in battle array, which is why we were given to note that king as Apollyon and Abaddon (The Destroyer) in the verse just prior to the sounding of that 6th Trumpet.

As for the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2, Christ showed John that one in relation to the beast kingdoms of Daniel 7. So that first beast description, which has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, is about a beast kingdom the 2nd beast will come to reign over.


The link to that beast kingdom in Daniel is also with Daniel 2, which describes a final 5th beast kingdom setup in the days of Christ's second coming, when He will smite that beast upon its feet, and the whole beast image statue will come tumbling down, 'together', and be no more.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
(KJV)

Dan 2:41-44
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
(KJV)


So what kind of final beast kingdom is that pointing to for the last days when Christ Jesus returns to smite it upon its ten toes?

It's revealed that ALL... of those previous beast kingdoms of before, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Roman, will be 'together' as a final 5th beast kingdom when Christ strikes it upon its ten toes and of part iron and part clay. Do we have any signs today that align with such an all-encompassing beast kingdom over this earth? Yes. It's called Globalism, "New World Order", "one-world government", the United Nations working.

 

[Sugarhitman]

Keep with it, you're almost there.

That "Angelic Prince" is a 'man', but not a flesh born man. The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'. Remember, the image likeness of man originated from the Heavenly from God's Own Image (Gen.1:26-27).

Remember also, John was shown two different 'beasts' in Rev.13. The 2nd beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is about that angelic prince you mention, who is also Apollyon and Abaddon, and the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit per Rev.11.

Note also in Rev.11, that the 7th Trumpet of Christ's coming happens immediately at the end of the three days and a half when God's two witnesses resurrect; it ends the 2nd Woe period. That would have to mean the 1260 days the two witnesses prophesy is the Latter half of the great tribulation. Notice that Rev.11:7 reveals it's the beast that ascends... out of the bottomless pit that kills them at the end of their 1260 days prophesying, not that the beast only ascends at that moment. It's a 'who' description about that beast, not a 'when' of his appearance on earth.

And with the 5th Trumpet (1st woe period), it's the locusts that are mentioned being released out of the bottomless pit, not their king, not yet. The loosing on the 6th Trumpet (2nd woe period) is when that angelic prince is loosed to command that locust army in battle array, which is why we were given to note that king as Apollyon and Abaddon (The Destroyer) in the verse just prior to the sounding of that 6th Trumpet.

As for the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2, Christ showed John that one in relation to the beast kingdoms of Daniel 7. So that first beast description, which has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, is about a beast kingdom the 2nd beast will come to reign over.


The link to that beast kingdom in Daniel is also with Daniel 2, which describes a final 5th beast kingdom setup in the days of Christ's second coming, when He will smite that beast upon its feet, and the whole beast image statue will come tumbling down, 'together', and be no more.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
(KJV)

Dan 2:41-44
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
(KJV)


So what kind of final beast kingdom is that pointing to for the last days when Christ Jesus returns to smite it upon its ten toes?

It's revealed that ALL... of those previous beast kingdoms of before, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Roman, will be 'together' as a final 5th beast kingdom when Christ strikes it upon its ten toes and of part iron and part clay. Do we have any signs today that align with such an all-encompassing beast kingdom over this earth? Yes. It's called Globalism, "New World Order", "one-world government", the United Nations working.

Remember also, John was shown two different 'beasts' in Rev.13. The 2nd beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is about that angelic prince you mention, who is also Apollyon and Abaddon, and the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit per Rev.11.

I believe the second Beast is the False Prophet..the head that is the "one is" [existing] when John was given his message recorded in Rev. 17.

Note also in Rev.11, that the 7th Trumpet of Christ's coming happens immediately at the end of the three days and a half when God's two witnesses resurrect; it ends the 2nd Woe period. That would have to mean the 1260 days the two witnesses prophesy is the Latter half of the great tribulation.

I believe the 3 1/2 days means what 42 months, 1260 days means...3 1/2 years. That would mean they are killed by the beast in the first half of the tribulation. Also the Resurrection of the Two Witnesses "“Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them." followed by the return of Christ (which is the third woe), is what I believe to be the Rapture. I do not believe the Two Witnesses are two individual prophets...but instead the "prophets and the saints" as a group.

Notice that Rev.11:7 reveals it's the beast that ascends... out of the bottomless pit that kills them at the end of their 1260 days prophesying, not that the beast only ascends at that moment. It's a 'who' description about that beast, not a 'when' of his appearance on earth.

If the Beast kills the Witnesses who lie dead for 3 1/2 years..and he himself continues only for 42 months..then that would mean he arrives in the middle of the 7 year Tribulation period.

So that first beast description, which has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, is about a beast kingdom the 2nd beast will come to reign over.

Yes, it also means a Kingdom. But:

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. [sup]14[/sup] For they are spirits of demons

These three are Devils:

Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 2

The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[sup][b][/sup] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

Matthew 25:41


Which explains why the three are thrown into the Lake of Fire before the Final Judgement and before any human is thrown there..because it is a place prepared for the Devil and his Angels. Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet are Angelic Princes. And Matthew 25, should lay that to rest.

 

[veteran]

I believe the second Beast is the False Prophet..the head that is the "one is" [existing] when John was given his message recorded in Rev. 17.

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

I believe that "another beast" to the False Prophet also, but not in John's days, but coming in OUR days, just prior to Christ's return.

I believe the 3 1/2 days means what 42 months, 1260 days means...3 1/2 years. That would mean they are killed by the beast in the first half of the tribulation. Also the Resurrection of the Two Witnesses "“Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them." followed by the return of Christ (which is the third woe), is what I believe to be the Rapture. I do not believe the Two Witnesses are two individual prophets...but instead the "prophets and the saints" as a group.

Have to disagree with you on that, for as written, the two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days before they are killed by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit (Antichrist). The 3 and 1/2 days don't start until they are killed. I definitely agree with most of the rest of that, except I don't use that word Rapture, but gathering to Christ instead. And I do strongly believe the two witnesses are two individuals killed in Jerusalem, but with the candlesticks reference, also two specific Churches of the seven symbolic Churches in Rev.2 & 3.

If the Beast kills the Witnesses who lie dead for 3 1/2 years..and he himself continues only for 42 months..then that would mean he arrives in the middle of the 7 year Tribulation period.

Well, the Rev.11 Scripture is that the two witnesses lay in the street for three and one half DAYS, not years. And they are not killed until the end of their 1260 days of prophesying. Christ returns right after the three and a half days. So counting back from the three and half days, and then back 1260 days, situates the mid point of the 7 years tribulation prophecy. I consider the mid point begins with the 6th Trumpet and 6th Vial, which would also start the 2nd woe period.

However, Christ said he shortened the tribulation for the sake of His elect (Matt.24). But to what? And I think that means He only shortened the 2nd woe period.

Yes, it also means a Kingdom. But:


These three are Devils:

I interpret that dragon, beast, and false prophet as the unholy trinity, and all as the same entity, the devil himself. In Rev.12:9 we are told that dragon title is another title for Satan.

This would explain why Rev.19:20 ONLY mentions the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire, but not the dragon (Satan).

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)


I interpret that particular Rev.19:20 'beast' and 'false prophet' as the first beast (kingdom) and another beast (dragon as the false prophet role) of Rev.13. At Christ's return, the beast kingdom and the role of false prophet, will both be destroyed, but not the dragon (Satan) himself, for he will be preserved for his final act at the end of Christ's future thousand years reign (Rev.20:7-9).

 

[Sugarhitman]

Kingdoms are not thrown into the Lake of Fire....individuals are. Jesus said that the Lake of Fire was "prepared for Satan and his angels." Therefore we should take that literally. Also you have 7 heads, representing 7 Angelic kings, 5 have fallen, 1 remains and the other who is of the 7 appears again later on. If the False Prophet is separate from these heads than he would be an 8th head...but there are only 7. So the False Prophet is of the 7...he is I believe the one that is. Or maybe Satan is one of the heads?

I interpret that dragon, beast, and false prophet as the unholy trinity, and all as the same entity, the devil himself. In Rev.12:9 we are told that dragon title is another title for Satan.

They are clearly separate beings..because they are thrown into the Fire while Satan is not until the end of time.

This would explain why Rev.19:20 ONLY mentions the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire, but not the dragon (Satan).

I dont know about that...because Satan exists now while Apollyon doesnt..and they are thrown into different areas at the return of Christ. Satan cannot be three people...that attribute belongs only to God.

 

[veteran]

Kingdoms are not thrown into the Lake of Fire....individuals are. Jesus said that the Lake of Fire was "prepared for Satan and his angels." Therefore we should take that literally. Also you have 7 heads, representing 7 Angelic kings, 5 have fallen, 1 remains and the other who is of the 7 appears again later on. If the False Prophet is separate from these heads than he would be an 8th head...but there are only 7. So the False Prophet is of the 7...he is I believe the one that is. Or maybe Satan is one of the heads?

The 'beast' of Revelation has only two pointers, either the kingdom of Rev.13:1-2, or the entity as the "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 forward, also associated with the 'dragon' title, a title for Satan per Rev.12:9. There's 2 different beasts being mentioned in Rev.13.

The beast word is also used for the king of Rev.17:8 and 11, and for the one who ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11. Both those examples are about a single entity like the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. Since the title 'dragon' is another title for Satan, that is Satan as the "another beast". Pretty easy to fathom the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11 is Satan also. And in Rev.17:8 & 11 is another direct reference to Satan as that beast king that was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit... .

So, since we know Satan is not destroyed yet until after Christ's thousand years reign, the 'beast' of Rev.19:20 cannot mean him. We are left with the False Prophet and first beast (a beast kingdom per Dan.7 ref.). The final beast kingdom will be destroyed by God's consuming fire.


Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(KJV)

The seven heads are actually mountains, connected with lands. The seven kings of Rev.17:10 are not concurrent with those seven mountains that will all exist at the same time with the ten horns and ten crowns. The seven kings are about kings of history, one after another, five of them already past. Rev.17:9 with the mountains is not, for the woman is to sit in final upon those seven mountains at the same time.

In Rev.12:3-4 we're given another comparison to the idea of a kingdom with horns, crowns, and heads. But it's different. It only had seven crowns instead of ten. And it is given within verses that go back to Satan's original rebellion of old, when he drew a third of the angels (stars) to earth with him. That's showing those seven mountains existed back then, all at the same time. Likewise it will be with the ones in Rev.17:9.

It's a difficult group of verses, but easier when they're all kept together...

Rev 17:8-13
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Based on the beast examples of Rev.13, that word can apply either to a beast kingdom, or to a beast entity that rules over it. We have to decide here which by using given clues. This one ascends out of the bottomless pit, big clue there this beast type is an entity that rules over. Goes into perdition, that's another big clue, for only Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. And the Rev.9 name Apollyon for Satan is made up of that idea of 'perdition' (apollumi). Thus Satan is this beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Since we were given the Rev.12:3-4 association, the seven mountains also existed at Satan's first rebellion. So it's pointing literally to lands, which I think the seven continents of the earth.


10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Again, look for clues, and how these are linked to the next verse. Five kings are past, the sixth was in John's day, and the seventh is yet to come. It's pointing to previous beast kings of history, since the Dan.7 link in Rev.13:2. Could be Nebuchadnezzar, Pharoah, king of Tyre, king of Assyria, Alexander, and then Domitian (Roman) in John's day. The seventh would mean Satan as the Antichrist, because he knows he has but a short time per Rev.12:7-9.


11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

There's that perdition clue again, pointing to Satan as this beast. He was, and is not, is the previous clue of verse 8 about Satan. If the seventh king role is for the final kingdom on earth when Christ returns to destroy it, then... this eighth points to Satan being loosed in final after the thousand years to lead Gog and Magog upon the camp of the saints. The number eight in God's Word points to new beginnings. That event after Satan is destroyed leads into the new heavens and new earth period.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
(KJV)

Those ten kings reign concurrently together, all at the same time, with the beast, which points to the beast king, i.e., Satan. They will give their power to him. And they do not reign until he comes to power in the final 'hour' of this present world.

 

[Sugarhitman]

The 'beast' of Revelation has only two pointers, either the kingdom of Rev.13:1-2, or the entity as the "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 forward, also associated with the 'dragon' title, a title for Satan per Rev.12:9. There's 2 different beasts being mentioned in Rev.13.

The beast word is also used for the king of Rev.17:8 and 11, and for the one who ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11. Both those examples are about a single entity like the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. Since the title 'dragon' is another title for Satan, that is Satan as the "another beast". Pretty easy to fathom the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11 is Satan also. And in Rev.17:8 & 11 is another direct reference to Satan as that beast king that was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit... .

So, since we know Satan is not destroyed yet until after Christ's thousand years reign, the 'beast' of Rev.19:20 cannot mean him. We are left with the False Prophet and first beast (a beast kingdom per Dan.7 ref.). The final beast kingdom will be destroyed by God's consuming fire.


Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(KJV)

The seven heads are actually mountains, connected with lands. The seven kings of Rev.17:10 are not concurrent with those seven mountains that will all exist at the same time with the ten horns and ten crowns. The seven kings are about kings of history, one after another, five of them already past. Rev.17:9 with the mountains is not, for the woman is to sit in final upon those seven mountains at the same time.

In Rev.12:3-4 we're given another comparison to the idea of a kingdom with horns, crowns, and heads. But it's different. It only had seven crowns instead of ten. And it is given within verses that go back to Satan's original rebellion of old, when he drew a third of the angels (stars) to earth with him. That's showing those seven mountains existed back then, all at the same time. Likewise it will be with the ones in Rev.17:9.

It's a difficult group of verses, but easier when they're all kept together...

Rev 17:8-13
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Based on the beast examples of Rev.13, that word can apply either to a beast kingdom, or to a beast entity that rules over it. We have to decide here which by using given clues. This one ascends out of the bottomless pit, big clue there this beast type is an entity that rules over. Goes into perdition, that's another big clue, for only Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. And the Rev.9 name Apollyon for Satan is made up of that idea of 'perdition' (apollumi). Thus Satan is this beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Since we were given the Rev.12:3-4 association, the seven mountains also existed at Satan's first rebellion. So it's pointing literally to lands, which I think the seven continents of the earth.


10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Again, look for clues, and how these are linked to the next verse. Five kings are past, the sixth was in John's day, and the seventh is yet to come. It's pointing to previous beast kings of history, since the Dan.7 link in Rev.13:2. Could be Nebuchadnezzar, Pharoah, king of Tyre, king of Assyria, Alexander, and then Domitian (Roman) in John's day. The seventh would mean Satan as the Antichrist, because he knows he has but a short time per Rev.12:7-9.


11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

There's that perdition clue again, pointing to Satan as this beast. He was, and is not, is the previous clue of verse 8 about Satan. If the seventh king role is for the final kingdom on earth when Christ returns to destroy it, then... this eighth points to Satan being loosed in final after the thousand years to lead Gog and Magog upon the camp of the saints. The number eight in God's Word points to new beginnings. That event after Satan is destroyed leads into the new heavens and new earth period.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
(KJV)

Those ten kings reign concurrently together, all at the same time, with the beast, which points to the beast king, i.e., Satan. They will give their power to him. And they do not reign until he comes to power in the final 'hour' of this present world.

Since the title 'dragon' is another title for Satan, that is Satan as the "another beast". Pretty easy to fathom the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit in Rev.11 is Satan also.

Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

These are clearly separate individuals.

He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; [sup]3[/sup] and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

If Satan is the Beast, how then can he be released from the Lake of Fire which is the Final Judgement?

The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[sup][b][/sup] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There is a clear separation between these individuals..as the word "they" here is used. That means Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet are distinct individuals...they are not one.

The seven kings are about kings of history, one after another, five of them already past.

The 7 Kings are actually Angelic Kings. Why? Because the Angel says that the Beast is of the 7..and we know the Beast was and is not a human king. So there is no reason to make the 5 others to be human kings. They are the 7 Angelic Princes who ruled/ruling over human kingdoms behind the scenes as stated in Ephesians 6.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood [humans], but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[sup][c][/sup] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

There is an Angelic government ruling over the governments of the Gentile kingdoms..and they are the real powers behind earthly kingdoms.

In Rev.12:3-4 we're given another comparison to the idea of a kingdom with horns, crowns, and heads. But it's different. It only had seven crowns instead of ten. And it is given within verses that go back to Satan's original rebellion of old, when he drew a third of the angels (stars) to earth with him. That's showing those seven mountains existed back then, all at the same time. Likewise it will be with the ones in Rev.17:9.

Or it could mean that the 7 heads represents the Angelic Kings who rebelled with Satan.

Since we were given the Rev.12:3-4 association, the seven mountains also existed at Satan's first rebellion. So it's pointing literally to lands, which I think the seven continents of the earth.

Possibly. The mountains are both geographical areas and Kings...it could represent the 7 continents.

It's pointing to previous beast kings of history, since the Dan.7 link in Rev.13:2. Could be Nebuchadnezzar, Pharoah, king of Tyre, king of Assyria, Alexander, and then Domitian (Roman) in John's day.

Or it could be the Angelic Kings who ruled over those countries, and the one that is in John's day is possibly the False Prophet who is seen coming out of the earth rather than the Bottomless Pit...therefore that would make him to be the one that is in my opinion.

If the seventh king role is for the final kingdom on earth when Christ returns to destroy it, then... this eighth points to Satan being loosed in final after the thousand years to lead Gog and Magog upon the camp of the saints. The number eight in God's Word points to new beginnings. That event after Satan is destroyed leads into the new heavens and new earth period.

Satan cannot be the Beast. Also the Beast is one of the heads that is healed....that means he appears twice in human history. So if he is of the 7 he isnt really an 8th king. Satan does not establish a kingdom when he is released from the pit during the Gog-Magog War.

 

[veteran]

These are clearly separate individuals.

If Satan is the Beast, how then can he be released from the Lake of Fire which is the Final Judgement?

There is a clear separation between these individuals..as the word "they" here is used. That means Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet are distinct individuals...they are not one.


The 7 Kings are actually Angelic Kings. Why? Because the Angel says that the Beast is of the 7..and we know the Beast was and is not a human king. So there is no reason to make the 5 others to be human kings. They are the 7 Angelic Princes who ruled/ruling over human kingdoms behind the scenes as stated in Ephesians 6.


There is an Angelic government ruling over the governments of the Gentile kingdoms..and they are the real powers behind earthly kingdoms.

Or it could mean that the 7 heads represents the Angelic Kings who rebelled with Satan.

Possibly. The mountains are both geographical areas and Kings...it could represent the 7 continents.

Or it could be the Angelic Kings who ruled over those countries, and the one that is in John's day is possibly the False Prophet who is seen coming out of the earth rather than the Bottomless Pit...therefore that would make him to be the one that is in my opinion.

Satan cannot be the Beast. Also the Beast is one of the heads that is healed....that means he appears twice in human history. So if he is of the 7 he isnt really an 8th king. Satan does not establish a kingdom when he is released from the pit during the Gog-Magog War.

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)


Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

Satan is that "another beast" coming up out of the earth (i.e., the bottomless pit). He is that one who speaks as a dragon, because he is the dragon per Rev.12:9. That idea is about his disguise with two horns like a lamb (i.e., false Christ). That's him in his role as false prophet. Notice that Rev.13:11 verse also calls him the "another beast". No need to get confused about Satan's many roles he plays. Even within Rev.12:7-17 our Lord switches his titles of 'serpent' and 'dragon' back and forth to prepare us for what He revealed in Rev.13 about this another beast as even another one of Satan's titles.

Another clue?

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)

Go back to Rev.13:11 forward and note who it is that works those miracles and wonders on earth to deceive with. It's the "another beast". In 2 Thess.2:3-4, Paul also showed it is specifically one entity that will do that. Our Lord Jesus also showed the same in Matthew 24:23-28 about a specific entity that will come with many proclaiming him as Christ, and He warned us to not believe it. The "another beast" and "false prophet" are roles for the same entity, the dragon, which is Satan himself. It's his roles for the tribulation that he will play which are destroyed at Christ's coming, not Satan himself.

 

[Sugarhitman]

The False Prophet cannot be Satan as he and Satan are thrown into the Lake of Fire at different times...1000 years apart exactly. If the False Prophet is thrown into the Lake of Fire at the arrival of Christ, how than can he rise out of the Fire again to reign terror on the earth if he is Satan? If Satan is the False Prophet, how can be thrown into the Fire where the False Prophet and the Beast already are?


The scriptures clearly show 3 separate individuals...Satan, Apollyon, and the False Prophet.


The False Prophet speaking as a dragon, doesnt mean he is Satan..and all three deceives the world.


One individual cannot be in 2 places at one time (Satan in the Abyss for 1000 years, and the False Prophet in the Lake of Fire), only God can do that. And then that wouldnt make sense anyway..how can you punish 1 individual in 2 places?

 

[veteran]

The False Prophet cannot be Satan as he and Satan are thrown into the Lake of Fire at different times...1000 years apart exactly.

But if the 'false prophet' is only a 'role' for a certain time period, like the tribulation, then it CAN be destroyed at Christ's coming without Satan being destroyed yet.

If the False Prophet is thrown into the Lake of Fire at the arrival of Christ, how than can he rise out of the Fire again to reign terror on the earth if he is Satan? If Satan is the False Prophet, how can be thrown into the Fire where the False Prophet and the Beast already are?

If you'll notice, there is no mention of the false prophet working at the end of Christ's thousand years reign, but Satan only as deceiver. No mention of the 'beast' working either after the thousand years. Rev.20:10 is showing us the roles of false prophet and the beast were over with Christ's coming, which is why they are shown already in the lake of fire at that verse.

The scriptures clearly show 3 separate individuals...Satan, Apollyon, and the False Prophet.

The name Apollyon of Rev.9:11 is another title for Satan himself, since we are told there that's another name for "the angel of the bottomless pit". (Apollyon comes from Greek apollumi, which is where the word 'perdition' comes from in the KJV.)

The False Prophet speaking as a dragon, doesnt mean he is Satan..and all three deceives the world.

There's only ONE "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward that will disguise himself as a 'lamb' but speak as a dragon, AND who will work great signs and miracles on earth to deceive the world. Rev.19:20 reveals it's that same entity of Rev.13:11 forward...

Rev 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(KJV)

Who's that 'beast' that false prophet will work miracles in presence of? That false prophet is that same "another beast", the 2nd beast entity John was shown in Rev.13. In Rev.13:12 we're told that "another beast" (2nd one) "exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him". What's the first beast of Rev.13? It's the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1, the system of the beast, given in comparison to the beast kingdoms of Dan.7 in Rev.13:2 and Rev.17:15 about the waters.

One individual cannot be in 2 places at one time (Satan in the Abyss for 1000 years, and the False Prophet in the Lake of Fire), only God can do that. And then that wouldnt make sense anyway..how can you punish 1 individual in 2 places?

The false prophet is a role that Satan will play, which is how he will deceive with miracles and wonders.
The 'beast' idea is applied two ways in Rev.13, one for a kingdom or system of controls over the earth per Rev.13:1-2, and the other for that false prophet as the "another beast", a religious beast of Rev.13:11 forward. Satan is that "another beast", and the "dragon", and the "false prophet" (the ultimate false prophet, a special deceptive role he is to play for the tribulation involving the setting up of the abomination of desolation).

This is why you cannot find more information on three separate entities in other Scripture with more than one entity working those great signs and wonders upon the deceived for the tribulation. Only one entity will do those miracles and wonders. In Matt.24:23-27 is 'a pseudo Messiah'. In 2 Thess.2, he's called "that man of sin", "son of perdition", and "that Wicked". One entity, not three.

Rev.16 shows this is about one entity also...

Rev 16:13
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
(KJV)

What comes out of one's MOUTH? Words, not literal frogs. The frogs are a symbol. They represent unclean spirits like the verse says. The frogs symbol is to show what they do to the deceived...

Exod 8:2-4
2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
(KJV)

Apply that plague of frogs in Moses' day with those unclean spirits entering into people's homes, their bedchamber, upon their bed, etc.

Notice that's what comes out of their MOUTHS. It's all about LIES that cause deception. That's why all three of those, the dragon, the another beast, and the false prophet, are all the same entity that causes the great deception through lies. We were also told in Rev.9 just HOW Satan's locust army will work on earth...

Rev 9:17-19
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
(KJV)

 

[Sugarhitman]

How can "roles" be cast into the Lake of Fire? They cant because the Lake of Fire is for individuals...and the first 3 are the Beast (very likely Apollyon), The False Prophet, and Satan. There is no way around the fact they are 3 distinct individuals.

 

[veteran]

How can "roles" be cast into the Lake of Fire? They cant because the Lake of Fire is for individuals...and the first 3 are the Beast (very likely Apollyon), The False Prophet, and Satan. There is no way around the fact they are 3 distinct individuals.

Not 3 distinct and separate entities, but only one.

Do a Scripture test on that for yourself. Find every Scripture that talks about the one who will specifically work great signs and wonders on the earth in the last days. Then do a detailed comparison of them. (this could include some from the Book of Daniel also).

As for thinking that the "lake of fire" event is ONLY for individuals, why then does "death" and "hell" also go into it?

Rev 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(KJV)

 

[tomwebster]

.... Satan cannot be three people...that attribute belongs only to God.

Stop and think about it for a moment. Are we not made in the image of God? As flesh humans we are body, soul and spirit. Satan imitates Christ at everything, even as a false trinity.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

There is nothing in Daniel 8 or 10 about the Persian ruler being angelic.

That "Angelic Prince" is a 'man', but not a flesh born man. The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'. Remember, the image likeness of man originated from the Heavenly from God's Own Image (Gen.1:26-27).

That verse has nothing to do woth your statement you are making non-sequitor statements it is a common theme among massive hippocrites.

 

[veteran]

There is nothing in Daniel 8 or 10 about the Persian ruler being angelic.

That "Angelic Prince" is a 'man', but not a flesh born man. The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'. Remember, the image likeness of man originated from the Heavenly from God's Own Image (Gen.1:26-27).

That verse has nothing to do woth your statement you are making non-sequitor statements it is a common theme among massive hippocrites.

You've obviously missed a lot from Dan.10 you don't have a clue about...

Dan 10:5-6
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
(KJV)

Daniel being given a Heavenly vision when that one said the following...

Dan 10:12-13
12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
(KJV)

The Archangel Gabriel is who gave Daniel the earlier visions in Dan.8 & 9. This is most likely Gabriel also. The "prince of the kingdom of Persia" withstood him for 21 days, then the Archangel Michael came to help him. THAT is taking place in Heaven, not on the earth. That is a Heavenly pattern for earthly events. That prince of Persia is pointing to Satan in the Heavenly.


Dan 10:18-21
18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
(KJV)

Once again, this is probably the Archangel Gabriel saying that to Daniel. Look up the definition of Gabriel's name, for it means 'man of God' (Strong's no.1403).

Even in Isaiah 14 where God is speaking about Satan (Lucifer), God calls him a man ("Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms..."?)

Genesis 18-19 shows the two angels that went to rescue Lot and his family had the appearance of men. It's because the angelic likeness and appearance is with the image appearance of 'man'. When God said Let Us make man in Our Image, after Our likeness, that Image is that of man.

 

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Who is the Anti-Christ? Is he a man or an Angelic Prince? This is important because I believe many of us have fallen into slandering many political leaders like Obama and others by accusing them of being the Beast or the False Prophet. In my humble opinion I believe this person is an Angelic Prince. Apostle Paul made a eye opening statement in his Epistle:

Ephesians 6 NKJVThe Beast is not a man...he is not a Pope, he is not the President of the US or any other country...he is an Angelic Prince.

I for one have read a legion of iterations regarding the interpretations of the person of the beast. This is no different.

There is, however, an interpretation that is frightenly different. One that is so close to what might actually happen that it bears serious scrutiny.
The beast is not an angelic prince, POTUS, a pope or any world leader that we know of.
The beast will be a man called ISA. Isa is the Muslim name for Jesus, son of Mary.

Submitted for your consideration is the idea that Jesus will return and be the beast prophecied by Daniel, Revelation, the Qur'an and Muslim hadith literature.
The beast is; JESUS.

Bear with me a little, ok?

The source for my statement is a book by Joel Richardson called THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST.
I've been reading a lot of information about the coming Muslim messiah figure who they call Muhhamad al-Mahdi, or simply Mahdi. I began reading Richardson's book because it is the best coherent study on the subject I've found.

I recommend it to anyone who is a serious student of the latter days and who also wants to understand what the Muslims are talking about.

"Know your enemy."
-Sun Tzu

Reference to al-Mahdi was first brought to the attention of western ears in an address at the United Nations by Iran president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Long story short is that many western scholars went to work studying what the heck this guy was talking about. Mohhamud al-Mahdi is the prophetic Muslim military leader who will conquor Rome (their term for western civilization) and the Jews. al-Mahdi will come riding a white horse (Rev 6:20) at the head of an army of black flags (Muslim reference) to conquor the Jews and the Romans.

al-Mahdi will be the prefect or primary agent of Allah on earth. Early in the time of Mahdi's influence, the hadith literature predicts that Jesus will return to earth.
Jesus will tickle the ears of many Christians and persuade them to convert to Islam. Jesus will be a great prophet for Mahdi (the beast of Daniel & Revelation - check the parallels in the Bible, it's downright eerie) and even cause fire to fall from the sky (Muslim prediction).

Jesus will deny that he is the son of God and will cause great persecution of Christians and Jews who do not convert to Islam. Jesus will cause so much blood to be spilled (his favorite method of execution will be beheading - again Muslim prophecy.....but check out the Biblical parallels), that he will be called 'the beast'. This pretended Jesus will work as a prophet or partner with Mahdi and will die mysteriously some time later (as will the Mahdi). I think the Bible is quite specific about their fate. The Muslim Jesus will convince many. The Bible says that satan will cause a delusion to be perpetuated upon humanity so strong that only the elect will be unpersuaded.

The Jesus of the Bible was and is gentle and kind. Salvation and life is in His hand. The Jesus of Islam will be a man of lies who's hands will be stained with blood.

The parallels between Muslim prophecy of Jesus and the Biblical references to 'the beast' are chilling and awful.

I submit just a few to you today.

Be watchful. Be alert. Not all who call themselves Jesus will be Our Lord.

 

[Foreigner]

I appreciate the discussion on this topic. I appreciate even more how civil this discussion has been.

I am of the opinion, though, that if we prepare our hearts and minds we will not fall for the confussion and misdirection promised in Matt. 24 and we will easily recognize the person when they begin to come on the scene.

I can list about 70 different people that religious leaders of all denominations have said/implied/hinted must be the AntiChrist.

So far none of them seem to be bearing out.

 

[veteran]

What rjp is pointing out that's different than all the previous ideas of man about the coming antichrist is how an actual fake messiah is coming first with power to do miracles and wonders on a level so strong in delusion, that it would deceive even Christ's elect, if it were possible for them to be deceived. That was our Lord Jesus' Message in Matt.24; Mark 13; and Rev.13, and Paul's in 2 Thess.2 and 2 Cor.11. We should take heed and not be deceived.

 

[Sugarhitman]

I for one have read a legion of iterations regarding the interpretations of the person of the beast. This is no different.

There is, however, an interpretation that is frightenly different. One that is so close to what might actually happen that it bears serious scrutiny.
The beast is not an angelic prince, POTUS, a pope or any world leader that we know of.
The beast will be a man called ISA. Isa is the Muslim name for Jesus, son of Mary.

Submitted for your consideration is the idea that Jesus will return and be the beast prophecied by Daniel, Revelation, the Qur'an and Muslim hadith literature.
The beast is; JESUS.

Bear with me a little, ok?

The source for my statement is a book by Joel Richardson called THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST.
I've been reading a lot of information about the coming Muslim messiah figure who they call Muhhamad al-Mahdi, or simply Mahdi. I began reading Richardson's book because it is the best coherent study on the subject I've found.

I recommend it to anyone who is a serious student of the latter days and who also wants to understand what the Muslims are talking about.

"Know your enemy."
-Sun Tzu

Reference to al-Mahdi was first brought to the attention of western ears in an address at the United Nations by Iran president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Long story short is that many western scholars went to work studying what the heck this guy was talking about. Mohhamud al-Mahdi is the prophetic Muslim military leader who will conquor Rome (their term for western civilization) and the Jews. al-Mahdi will come riding a white horse (Rev 6:20) at the head of an army of black flags (Muslim reference) to conquor the Jews and the Romans.

al-Mahdi will be the prefect or primary agent of Allah on earth. Early in the time of Mahdi's influence, the hadith literature predicts that Jesus will return to earth.
Jesus will tickle the ears of many Christians and persuade them to convert to Islam. Jesus will be a great prophet for Mahdi (the beast of Daniel & Revelation - check the parallels in the Bible, it's downright eerie) and even cause fire to fall from the sky (Muslim prediction).

Jesus will deny that he is the son of God and will cause great persecution of Christians and Jews who do not convert to Islam. Jesus will cause so much blood to be spilled (his favorite method of execution will be beheading - again Muslim prophecy.....but check out the Biblical parallels), that he will be called 'the beast'. This pretended Jesus will work as a prophet or partner with Mahdi and will die mysteriously some time later (as will the Mahdi). I think the Bible is quite specific about their fate. The Muslim Jesus will convince many. The Bible says that satan will cause a delusion to be perpetuated upon humanity so strong that only the elect will be unpersuaded.

The Jesus of the Bible was and is gentle and kind. Salvation and life is in His hand. The Jesus of Islam will be a man of lies who's hands will be stained with blood.

The parallels between Muslim prophecy of Jesus and the Biblical references to 'the beast' are chilling and awful.

I submit just a few to you today.

Be watchful. Be alert. Not all who call themselves Jesus will be Our Lord.

Its very possible. Paul and Daniel wrote that when the Beast comes he will exalt and oppose all that is worshiped and called God...So Im wondering if he will also oppose Islam? I think all the people involved in any religion will be given 2 choices..worship the best or die. Many Muslims, Pagans will repent and come to Christ...while the others will worship the Beast.


I truly believe there will be only one religion when the Beast arrives......Luciferianism.