Anti-reformers month

[theefaith]

Yipes man-
Earthly men are NOT Spirits.

physical life from carnal earthly fathers

spiritual life from our spiritual fathers the apostles

Jn 20:21-23
Jn 15:1-5 christ in union with his apostles bringing forth the fruit (the salvation of souls / the people)
Jn 1:16-17 life of grace
Jn 10:10 life or grace more abundantly

 

[theefaith]

And the moment your church ceased to be subject to Christ by committing spiritual adultery with the Kings and queens and princes of Europe, and relying on their armies to conquer land and steal the riches of innocent citizens, was the day your church apostatized and became a lifeless tomb.


Whatever church was founded on Peter and the apostles, it isn't represented by that monstrosity in Rome, and hasn't been since the 6th century.

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

Dan 2:44 Isa 2:2 Micah 4:1 fulfilled in matt 5:14

matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

The nature of spiritual pride is rebellion!
Spiritual pride must protest, and must be right!

Christ and His one true church cannot be right or my self-righteous personal interpretation base on spiritual pride and private judgement must be wrong, and that is unacceptable!

Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42


Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Faith hope and charity! 1 cor 13:13
Three are eternal, and the greatest is charity!
“Faith alone”? Never faith, hope, & charity are inseparable!
If salvation was by faith alone then the greatest would be faith, but as even “all faith“ without charity avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

 

[theefaith]

So I’m not surprised when Protestants protest!

 

[theefaith]

Truth is revealed by God and is immutable!

the church is founded by Christ and is irreformable!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So I’m not surprised when Protestants protest!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

10 pages of nlah blah blah, all because us protestants stopped your rule of heresy. Your anger towards us is symbolic of centuries of sending people to hell by the RCC selling people their indulgence confessions.

Blah....blah....blah you say? Close, but no cigar. It’s more like this: ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....lol....

 

[theefaith]

10 pages of nlah blah blah, all because us protestants stopped your rule of heresy. Your anger towards us is symbolic of centuries of sending people to hell by the RCC selling people their indulgence confessions.

please try and get it right

no anger against you or any person only against heresy and false doctrine
Love the truth

selling indulgence confession?

cnfession of sin by baptized Christians is biblical!

Jn 20:21-23
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. (Same mission power and authority)

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
(Life of the new creation)
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Indulgences

1st of all these are based on misunderstandings and accusations

Salvation has nothing to do with indulgences nor the forgiveness of sin!

Salvation is God’s mercy to us thru His church by grace!

An indulgence is a merit of Jesus Christ thru his blood passion and death! Jn 1:16 & 1:29

Cannot sell indulgences
There were indulgences granted to those who supported the building of saint peters, not selling, (donations) but if you chose to make a donation you could get an indulgence, but there were and are many other ways to get them without making a donation! Not a requirement

You did something and got a favorable response, like buying a dozen dognuts and get one free, they may accuse you cannot selling 13 but you actually only sold 12 and gave one free.

Salvation is of grace with mercy and the forgiveness of sins, but the temporal punishment due to sin Christ did not take away, just like he did not take away our sin nature and restore up to the state of innocence in the garden.

Example: a child breaks a window with his baseball, his father forgives him totally, but the child work and earn money to pay for the window, and we must pray, fast, alms, penance, carry our cross and practice Christian virtues to expiate the temporal punishment due to our sins, God provides for everything in His goodness and gives us ample means to do this, and it purifies our souls in this life or if not he also provides a means of purification in the next.

And we can pray for and do penance and gain indulgences for those being purified since they are in the communion of saints like us and those already perfected in heaven!

 

[theefaith]

And the tragedy is that none of those Scripture justify the false dogmas of the Catholic Church -- "the one and only true church"!

Getting back to the Anti-Reformers, there was a huge campaign to crush the Reformation with a Counter-Reformation, which involved the Jesuits as well as the Council of Trent. And the rulings of Trent are still binding on Catholics. Most people are not aware that the English translation of the Latin Vulgate known as the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible has TWENTY PAGES of a Preface that rails against Protestants. But that Preface has been removed from their bibles.

only cos Protestantism is false doctrine another gospel condemned by holy apostolic authority in the council of Trent

truth matters


The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

Dan 2:44 Isa 2:2 Micah 4:1 fulfilled in matt 5:14

matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

The nature of spiritual pride is rebellion!
Spiritual pride must protest, and must be right!

Christ and His one true church cannot be right or my self-righteous personal interpretation base on spiritual pride and private judgement must be wrong, and that is unacceptable!

Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42


Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth matters! It is revealed by God and therefore CANNOT be changed!
The church likewise is founded by Christ and therefore CANNOT be reformed!

Faith hope and charity! 1 cor 13:13
Three are eternal, and the greatest is charity!
“Faith alone”? Never faith, hope, & charity are inseparable!
If salvation was by faith alone then the greatest would be faith, but as even “all faith“ without charity avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

 

[theefaith]

Blah....blah....blah you say? Close, but no cigar. It’s more like this: ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....lol....

truth matters to God!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, thetruth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1. John 1:17
   For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
   
   Romans 2:8
   But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
   
   Romans 9:1
   I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in theHoly Ghost,
   
   1 Corinthians 13:6
   Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in thetruth;
   
   Galatians 3:1
   O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
   
   1. 2 Corinthians 13:8
      For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
      
      2 Thessalonians 2:10
      And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of thetruth, that they might be saved.
      
      

 

[tabletalk]

only cos Protestantism is false doctrine another gospel condemned by holy apostolic authority in the council of Trent

truth matters


The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one!

Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14

Dan 2:44 Isa 2:2 Micah 4:1 fulfilled in matt 5:14

matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

The nature of spiritual pride is rebellion!
Spiritual pride must protest, and must be right!

Christ and His one true church cannot be right or my self-righteous personal interpretation base on spiritual pride and private judgement must be wrong, and that is unacceptable!

Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42


Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth matters! It is revealed by God and therefore CANNOT be changed!
The church likewise is founded by Christ and therefore CANNOT be reformed!

Faith hope and charity! 1 cor 13:13
Three are eternal, and the greatest is charity!
“Faith alone”? Never faith, hope, & charity are inseparable!
If salvation was by faith alone then the greatest would be faith, but as even “all faith“ without charity avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

You said: "only cos Protestantism is false doctrine another gospel condemned by holy apostolic authority in the council of Trent"

But, there are no more Anathemas in the Catholic Church.
So, the 'Protestant gospel' is no longer condemned.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

truth matters to God!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, thetruth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1. John 1:17
   For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
   
   Romans 2:8
   But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
   
   Romans 9:1
   I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in theHoly Ghost,
   
   1 Corinthians 13:6
   Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in thetruth;
   
   Galatians 3:1
   O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
   1. 2 Corinthians 13:8
      For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
      
      2 Thessalonians 2:10
      And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of thetruth, that they might be saved.
      

“ Truth matters to God?” Indeed it does! Find you some—-get out of the “ Fallen From Grace” Catholic “ church” Read Galatians .....it’s just six short chapters.....zero in on Chapter 5.....it nails your “ false , perverted” Doctrine......You guys ADD to the Gospel Of Pure Grace as if it were nothing....You are blind to it...that is the scary part....

 

[theefaith]

You said: "only cos Protestantism is false doctrine another gospel condemned by holy apostolic authority in the council of Trent"

But, there are no more Anathemas in the Catholic Church.
So, the 'Protestant gospel' is no longer condemned.

you must be confusing the church with the Vatican or Vatican 2 counterfeit church

the churches anathemas are absolute and apply to all forever

Christ is king!

all must submit and obey Christ and his church!

 

[theefaith]

There’s a whole lot more of you than us, feel free to defend you’re “new gospel” from scripture good luck with that

 

[theefaith]

“ Truth matters to God?” Indeed it does! Find you some—-get out of the “ Fallen From Grace” Catholic “ church” Read Galatians .....it’s just six short chapters.....zero in on Chapter 5.....it nails your “ false , perverted” Doctrine......You guys ADD to the Gospel Of Pure Grace as if it were nothing....You are blind to it...that is the scary part....

gal 5 opposes the law and sin

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

There’s a whole lot more of you than us, feel free to defend you’re “new gospel” from scripture good luck with that

X2

 

[theefaith]

Go for it

infant baptism: biblical?

 

[theefaith]

Mary is the mother of our salvation? Biblical? Just ask

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Go for it

infant baptism: biblical?

im a presbyterian……

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Mary is the mother of our salvation? Biblical? Just ask

no. She isnt.

 

[theefaith]

im a presbyterian……

Got it! See making progress