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Giuliano

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Communists have long been anti-fascist. It is at the very core of their beliefs, from the 1920s.
Very much so. That truce between Hitler and Stalin was a very uneasy one.
It is just a new name to counter the social stigma of being a communist in America.
I don't think so. Communists wouldn't be talking about abolishing the police. Communists love the police if they're controling them. I"ve no doubt that some people with leanings towards Communism or socialism may join Antifa; but I still think most of them are anarchists. That means they would lack organized structure -- and they do. I say ultimately that means they'll fail.

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Antifa is not a unified organization but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals. The movement is loosely affiliated[11] and has no chain of command, with antifa groups instead sharing "resources and information about far-right activity across regional and national borders through loosely knit networks and informal relationships of trust and solidarity".] According to Mark Bray, "members hide their political activities from law enforcement and the far right" and "concerns about infiltration and high expectations of commitment keep the sizes of groups rather small".

Activists typically organize protests via social media and through websites.] Some activists have built peer-to-peer networks, or use encrypted-texting services like Signal. Chauncey Devega of Salon described antifa as an organizing strategy, not a group of people. According to one group member, antifa's identification research on whether an individual or group is "fascist, Alt Right, White Nationalist, etc." is "based on which groups they are a part of and endorse". While noting that "Nazis, fascists, white nationalists, anti-Semites and Islamophobes" are specific overlapping categories, the main focus is "on groups and individuals which endorse, or work directly in alliance with, white supremacists and white separatists. We try to be very clear and precise with how we use these terms".
 

Giuliano

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It's just an opinion.
You did not say it was just an opinion. You stated it as if it was a fact.
I am stunned that you think you could know more about what Trump thinks than she does. Maybe you should write him and tell him to fire her and hire you because you understand him better than she does.
Are you for real?
I wonder if you are. How could you know more about Trump's thoughts than she does? Telepathy? Or maybe you think God might be telling you what Trump is thinking?
 

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You did not say it was just an opinion. You stated it as if it was a fact.
I am stunned that you think you could know more about what Trump thinks than she does. Maybe you should write him and tell him to fire her and hire you because you understand him better than she does.
I wonder if you are. How could you know more about Trump's thoughts than she does? Telepathy? Or maybe you think God might be telling you what Trump is thinking?

I'm not sure what you're going on about.
 

Giuliano

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Hey whatever, sticks and stones.
I go by the words you write. First you write something without qualifying it as "I believe" or "I think" or "maybe". You write it as if it's a fact. You obviously have a high opinion of your mental abilities since you believe you're smarter than Trump's Press Secretary. You don't know him, you don't talk to him, but you think you may understand him better than she does. You have a very low opinion of her. I don't like her or Trump, but I don't think she's as stupid as you seem to think she is.

So first you express something as if it is a fact. When questioned, you say it was an opinion. That tells me you are not good at communicating. If you know something is an opinion, you should state it as an opinion. I also give her more respect than you do. She is around Trump and knows him. I'm not. Her opinions about what Trump thinks are probably better informed than mine.

I also assume if she's saying things about Trump that she makes up in her head, he could fire her and find someone more competent. I assume he has the sense to do that. You seem to think he doesn't know what she says or maybe he doesn't care. You also have a lower opinion of Trump than I do. You must since you believe Trump is so stupid he allows her to invent things in her own head and then misrepresent him. I don't think he's that stupid.
 

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Fascism is neither far right, or far left. It is a form of dictatorial power, a forced suppression of opposition, as well as strong regulations of the economy. Nazism was not a position on the Right, for it was National SOCIALISM. Most Fascist leaders have been Socialists.

While ANTIFA and BLM are Marxist Anarchists, they want control of what people can and cannot say. They shut down speech they do not like, label people as Racists or Fascists if they do not agree with them (which is their Racism and fascism), and want to dictate that the economy pays for certain things by force. These actions are the very essence of Fascism. One can take Nationalism to the extent that it is Fascist, and the Left Anti-nationalistic side can act as fascists.

We can say that we do not have Fascism by rule as a Political Party, but we can say it exists in application by many today on the Left. No guns... Fascism! No rights for infants.... Fascism! No free Speech.... Fascism! Hate Crimes.... Fascism! Demand that you get free stuff at other people's expense.... Fascism! A form of dictatorial power, a forced suppression of opposition, as well as strong regulations of the economy.
 

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Fascism values the state over people. People exist to support the nation, while anti-fascists says the government exists to serve people. Fascism seeks to oppress and stifle all opposition. Fascism also frequently exalts nationalism and racism as a way of gaining favor and power. I think we can see some traces of fascism in the current Prime Minister of India. He promotes nationalism and a religious form of government. I see him as a potentially dangerous person.

President Xi may call himself a Communist, but he looks more like a fascist to me.
Fascism is a element that mainly gains momentum when there becomes a sink or swim reality that is truly at hand, such as the economy goes totally bad, like in Germany before Hitler and we seen how Hitler's Germany turned around and prospered, were before hand the governments were totally hopeless morons that only lead to total destruction of all the people in total poverty children and people starving to death and no help for anyone who was sick. no one gives the time of day to the reality of such as that nowadays, because they are totally ignorant or stuck up snobs to reality.

If one is not a Nationalist one is a degenerate, a pox on the Nation ! and just a leach sponging off the Nation like a tick poisoning the whole Nations body to madness or it's death or one could say such a one is like weeds in a garden that was let to a good for nothing scoundrel.
A Nationalist puts his Nation before himself for the good of others. such is like one who gives and others will inherit the benefit from their work and they do the same in turn, they do never squander or encourage malicious or degenerates.

Pride in ones Nation is not a Sin.

The Satanist on the other hand hates the Nationalist because such a one fears such strength, it's like a man with a healthy body and mind.

But the Satanist is like a mutt who is dog cunning or a like a vulture, they are to degenerate to make their own way in life, so they rely on taking advantage of others, they are relentless with malice, quick to turn and blame everyone but themselves. what they do is undermine everything and everyone, even themselves. they scam and undermine Nations and all.

The German people were a target for such Satanic people leading them astray, when you understand it's history. when one understands the workings that they were cunningly led into such, in the depression and then led into the game play of Hitler's true backers, for the 2ed phase of the plan, all this was worked out years in advance and played out, just as the 3 phase is coming to light now of the great Satanist plan for the world.

All Socialist leadership are Fascist at heart and all Socialist are Satanist, because Socialism is a Mans works doctrine that clearly rejects God.

A Nationalist is content as to other Nationalist Nations and are totally of good will towards all man and God.

A Nationalist may look down or up to other Nations but respects others culture and does not interfere, but a Socialist plays a game pretending to be X when they are really Z working to destroy all culture and all humanity so that the grubs of this world dominate over all.
 
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Fascism values the state over people. People exist to support the nation, while anti-fascists says the government exists to serve people. Fascism seeks to oppress and stifle all opposition. Fascism also frequently exalts nationalism and racism as a way of gaining favor and power. I think we can see some traces of fascism in the current Prime Minister of India. He promotes nationalism and a religious form of government. I see him as a potentially dangerous person.

President Xi may call himself a Communist, but he looks more like a fascist to me.

I think they are some decent measures of gauging how far towards fascism a government is.
I don't know enough about India to know where there government sit but China is an interesting one.

I find it difficult to identify the differences between fascism and socialism, some people say that fascism is a form of socialism
Even though they sit on opposite ends of the political spectrum they have much in common
All the things u mentioned also apply to socialism plus they both are run by dictators and both have the same economical structure of state owned industry.

But i find that people seem to have different definitions of socialism, communism and capitalism and it gets very complicated as well the deeper you look into it. All i was originally saying but is that there isn't fascism these days
 

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Antifa strikes me not as a fascist group but an anarchist one. They can't be both.

I think that's a fair call, they can't actually be both.
So although i understand the people that say that Antifa are like fascists i'd have to also say that they are more like anarchists
 
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Fascism is neither far right, or far left. It is a form of dictatorial power, a forced suppression of opposition, as well as strong regulations of the economy. Nazism was not a position on the Right, for it was National SOCIALISM. Most Fascist leaders have been Socialists.

Traditionally fascism sits on the far right which has always confused me because i see little difference between it and socialism
 

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Why can't they be both? Today the lines between Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/Islamist don't even exist. Check out the connections for yourself.
You sound like Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland. Words mean something.


What was said in the video is correct about being antifascist when the whole statement is taken together. However, as far as I'm concerned, these fruitless press briefings should have been shut down a long time ago, and Trump should have had the National Guard stop all the anarchy in every city a long time ago also. It is not enough for a president to simply make remarks about what is going on and be a spectator when *Rome* is burning.
Well, the prior Press Secretary had more drunk driving convictions on her record than press conferences.

You are starting to sound a bit fascist. Remember Trump may be anti-fascist. He might not approve.
 

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I think that's a fair call, they can't actually be both.
So although i understand the people that say that Antifa are like fascists i'd have to also say that they are more like anarchists
They do seem to employ some of the same techniques at times. Some people believe (I do) that the Nazis created chaos (like anarchists) by settting fire to the Reichstag themselves. Then when the chaos they hoped for ensued, they pretended to be the saviors of Germany by suspending many liberties in the German constitution. They arrested the opposition, mostly Communists, and increased police action throughout Germany.

I doubt that some of the people who call themselves Antifa are genuinely against fascism or in favor of anarchy. In my book, the real anarchists naively believe most people will do the right thing if there is no government to tell them the limits. The Antifa people -- at least some of them -- seem more like criminals to me. They wish there weren't a government so they could abuse other people without fearing arrest. We saw what they did in Seattle when the police let them alone. Some of them look more like criminals than people with a political view.
 
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I don't know enough about India to know where there government sit but China is an interesting one.

This has nothing to do with my op. When this whole thing with COVID started India started emailing me telling me how they are keeping me safe, I never went anywhere to get the govt. email I thought it was funny :)
 

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You write it as if it's a fact. You obviously have a high opinion of your mental abilities since you believe you're smarter than Trump's Press Secretary.

You're reading too much into it.
 

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I don't need to be psychoanalyzed and I don't need to waste my time with this useless conversation anymore.
 

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You're reading too much into it.
The press secretary said Trump was antifascist. I figured she had talked to Trump about it and that's what he said. The only thing I read into it was she was probably telling the truth as she saw it. You're the one who read a lot into it.
I don't need to be psychoanalyzed and I don't need to waste my time with this useless conversation anymore.
Do let us know if you get the job of press secretary in the White House.
 

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Idiots tried in DC to take over like in Seattle but they were met with much force. Yay for the good guys! Those rioters should be thrown in Gitmo