Apokatastasis in the Bible

[Eternally Grateful]

Is that your final answer?

How would a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Buddhist answer those questions?
Did they know God was real? Did not know they were sinners?
Did they know they needed to be punished for their sin?
If so, they would be saved, right?

the same way every other person will answer that question.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is that your final answer?

That was Gods answer again read ALL of Romans 1

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not as I understand it.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Thats the law.

There is alot more to the gospel than the law

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are claiming that hell was not created for humankind,
but they will send themselves there for refusing a "free" gift. ???

They will send themselves their because they have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Because in unbelief, they remain condemned

the condemned can not go to heaven...

you should read John 3 as well

 

[St. SteVen]

There is alot more to the gospel than the law

Did you miss verse 16?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[St. SteVen]

They will send themselves their because they have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Because in unbelief, they remain condemned

the condemned can not go to heaven...

you should read John 3 as well

This hamster wheel discussion is going nowhere. (squeak, squeak, squeak...)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did you miss verse 16?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Does the law tell you Christ died for them so they can be forgiven?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This hamster wheel discussion is going nowhere. (squeak, squeak, squeak...)

Because I am not answering you the way you want?

I already gave an example of 100 people on deathrow. who someone else came and paid all of their debt.

but because of the pride of 80 of them, only 20 people recieved his gift.

the others died when their time came up..

who's fault is it that they died?

 

[CadyandZoe]

being seperated from God forever is the most painful punishment ever, because you have no one to blame but yourself. You get to spend eternity thinking about why you said no to God.

Hell was not created for mankind..

once again,

Hell was not created for mankind

And, if hell is "outward darkness" then not only will we be separated from God, we will be separated from everyone else.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Is that your final answer?

How would a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Buddhist answer those questions?
Did they know God was real? Did not know they were sinners?
Did they know they needed to be punished for their sin?
If so, they would be saved, right?

Jesus is the only way.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And, if hell is "outward darkness" then not only will we be separated from God, we will be separated from everyone else.

which makes it worse.

I can't fathom that myself..

 

[MatthewG]

The Lake of fire was made for the devil and his messengers,

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;


People have a part in this fire, but the Lake of fire - was made forever towards the devil and his angels. Everyone went to hell. Even Jonah, Enoch, Elijah, everyone did. There was Paradise and a separated part, there was also a holding place for the angels at the time who disobeyed. Until hell was poured out with all the souls with-in it, and everyone was judged. Then comes the Lake of fire - forever for the Devil and his messengers, and a part - for some (but not forever.) For whatever reason I believe it's important to distinguish the differences. To anyone who may desire to know this.

If people didn't have a part in it, I don't think that John the apostle of Jesus would have mentioned it, however there is also the separation of darkness and light in Revelation 21-22.

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

 

[St. SteVen]

I can't fathom that myself..

Me either.
... hell is "outward darkness"? - LOL

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Me either.
... hell is "outward darkness"? - LOL

Its not light..The light of the world is in heaven

 

[MatthewG]

@Eternally Grateful

You might be interested in this video

Very good overall description of what the bible talks about concerning "hell."

 

[MatthewG]

@Eternally Grateful

You might be interested in this video

Very good overall description of what the bible talks about concerning "hell."

He has changed a tad bit from his former view here - when he finally did a teaching verse by verse, on Revelation. Accepting Jesus as a victorious King.

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven? <- Which is more of a view like this, but overall Hell was a covering place for the dead with two separate compartments.

Here is the topic on Lake of Fire.

All the best.

 

[marks]

And I am the one pointing out the self-righteousness in those who think their beliefs about Jesus somehow justifies them without any say-so from God.

What would a "say so from God" look like? How would I know? What does that mean to you?

This seems to be an oft-repeated thought of yours, that others "claim justification without cause", or, as you say here, without any say-so from God.

How do you know that? Do you know that others don't have God's assurance? How do you know?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What would a "say so from God" look like? How would I know? What does that mean to you?

This seems to be an oft-repeated thought of yours, that others "claim justification without cause", or, as you say here, without any say-so from God.

How do you know that? Do you know that others don't have God's assurance? How do you know?

Much love!

maybe because he does not?

 

[Episkopos]

What would a "say so from God" look like? How would I know? What does that mean to you?

This seems to be an oft-repeated thought of yours, that others "claim justification without cause", or, as you say here, without any say-so from God.

How do you know that? Do you know that others don't have God's assurance? How do you know?

Much love!

As in...how can we KNOW if someone who boasts of his own humility is really humble? All claims of being righteous are SELF-righteous. Who is saying it?

What many here haven't yet figured out is that Abraham never claimed to be righteous. Neither did the Publican.

Only modern believers have been so duped into thinking we have any say in that.

 

[Episkopos]

maybe because he does not?

Silly strawman. I'm righteous if I claim to be...and I'm not if I don't? That's about the depth of thinking that goes into that.