Apostolic Succession.

[Origen]

The RCC is a pagan antichrist entity. It's the great whore making all nations drink from the cup of her fornication. Leave it while you can.

Lol, who wrote your anti-Catholic pamphlets?

 

[Rockerduck]

What was YOUR point of mentioning it in the first place?

I said "Jesus had over 120 disciples. Matthew 18:1 - At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Jesus named the 12 apostles in Matthew 10:2, so Jesus was talking to an unnumbered amount of disciples. There is not 1 apostle named in the entire chapter 18.

You said "Yes there is. 21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Matthew 18:21

I said" what's the point". because you didn't make one

You said "What was your point."

See what you are doing. We were talking about disciples.

 

[Behold]

"I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which is about giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven,

Every born again believer is to "call those things that be not, as if they were", as this is believing Prayer.
And when a born again Christian does this, then its "reflected in Heaven" as an answered Prayer.

 

[Origen]

Every born again believer is to "call those things that be not, as if they were", as this is believing Prayer.
And when a born again Christian does this, then its "reflected in Heaven" as an answered Prayer.

I'll explain Romans 4:17 at a later time, so stay focused, and remember that we're talking about what Jesus said specifically to Peter: "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which is about giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven, because He continued saying to him, "and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in Heaven; and whatever you release on earth will have been released in Heaven.”

 

[CadyandZoe]

No, Jesus was addressing Peter specifically when He said, "And I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give to you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven". (Matt. 16:18)

I realize that Jesus was speaking to Peter at that moment. He said it to all of them during the Upper Room Discourse.

 

[Behold]

It's one thing to say an interpretation has been disproven, that's easy, but quite another to actually show it has. You should take a stab at doing the latter.

Take a "stab" at using a Bible to try to prove that there is such a person as a "Pope".

Your POPE PETER< had to learn Church Doctrine from Paul, at least 15 yrs after Jesus was back in Heaven.
See Acts 15.

Listen, if anyone was an original Pope, it would be Paul......as Paul wrote the chruch doctrine, Paul's Gospel is The Gospel, Pauls Epistles make up most of the NT Epistles.........and Peter said that Paul's Letters, are Scripture", 2000 yrs ago.

Paul is not a Pope, as a "pope" is the demonic pipe dream creation of a man made demonic Religous Opera, that is not built on Paul's Doctrine........Its built on "Catholic Man made Tradition", that teaches a lot of incredible religious nonsense, not found in a bible.

 

[Rockerduck]

I'll explain Romans 4:17 at a later time, so stay focused, and remember that we're talking about what Jesus said specifically to Peter: "I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which is about giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven, because He continued saying to him, "and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in Heaven; and whatever you release on earth will have been released in Heaven.”

Try to focus, now. We are not talking about ANY other book. Nice try to deflect. Matthew 18:18 disproves your repetition over, and over, and over.

 

[Origen]

Take a "stab" at using a Bible to try to prove that there is such a person as a "Pope".

Listen, if anyone was an original Pope, it would be Paul

Jesus said to the twelve apostles not Paul:

"If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”

Jesus said to Peter not Paul:

"I tell you that you are Peter [...] I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven", which is about giving him the authority to make decisions on earth that will be reflected in Heaven, because He continued saying to him, "and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in Heaven; and whatever you release on earth will have been released in Heaven.”

"Tend My sheep"

and so on...

 

[Origen]

Matthew 18:18 disproves your repetition over, and over, and over.

It's one thing to say an interpretation has been disproven, that's easy, but quite another to actually show it has. I keep seeing the former.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said to the twelve apostles not Paul:

"If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”

No Apostle forgave your sin, @Origen, and If you've not not had your sins forgiven, because you believe that "water washed your sin away"..........then i can promise you, that thousands of people who believed that Catholic Lie also, died and went to hell today, "sprinkled, water baptized and confirmed".
Why are they in HELL?......Why did they go TODAY?

A.) Jesus said.....>"you MUST be born again"....and WATER BAPTISM can't provided that to you, or for you.

 

[Mink57]

This is a RCC misinterpretation. I have already shown you some of the wicked popes that were in the "line of succession." The RCC is a pagan antichrist entity. It's the great whore making all nations drink from the cup of her fornication. Leave it while you can.

I posted this upthread a bit. Maybe you missed it?

In Scripture evidence for the primacy of Peter is both implicit and explicit:

• All of the Twelve Apostles are listed four times in the Scriptures, and St. Peter is named first every time (cf. Mt 10:2-4, Mk 3:16-19, Lk 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
• St. Peter was chosen by the Father to receive the revelation that Jesus is “the Christ, the son of the living God” (Mt 16:15-16).
• The angel told the women after the Resurrection, “Go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you” (Mk 16:7).
• St. Peter is listed separately as a witness to the Resurrection before the other Apostles (cf. 1 Cor 15:5-6, Lk 24:34).
• St. Peter is charged by Christ to “strengthen your brethren” (Lk 22:31-32) and “feed my sheep” (Jn 21:5-17; cf. 10:11).
• St. Peter proposed and presided over the election of St. Matthias as an Apostle and announced the requirements for candidacy (cf. Acts 1:15-22).
• St. Peter was the first to preach the Gospel on the day of Pentecost, which was accompanied by signs of the Holy Spirit (wind, fire, tongues) and 3000 conversions (cf. Acts 2:14-40).
• St. Peter defended the Apostles before the Sanhedrin (cf. Acts 3:6-7, 5:15, 9:36-41).
• St. Peter exercised his authority to discipline Ananias, Sapphira, and Simon the magician (cf. Acts 5:1-11, 8:18-24).
• St Peter received the vision of the Lord in order to inspire the Jewish Christians to allow Gentiles into the Church (cf. Acts 10:9-48, 11:1-18).

This is not ALL of the evidence that the RCC used to justify her position. But between this and other evidences, it's pretty clear that Peter was obviously chosen by Jesus to be a leader.

 

[Mink57]

I said "Jesus had over 120 disciples. Matthew 18:1 - At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Jesus named the 12 apostles in Matthew 10:2, so Jesus was talking to an unnumbered amount of disciples. There is not 1 apostle named in the entire chapter 18.

You said "Yes there is. 21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Matthew 18:21

I said" what's the point". because you didn't make one

You said "What was your point."

See what you are doing. We were talking about disciples.

Can you prove that Peter and any of the other 12 weren't among the "disciples"?

 

[Behold]

This is not ALL of the evidence that the RCC used to justify her position. But between this and other evidences, it's pretty clear that Peter was obviously chosen by Jesus to be a leader.

Just before Jesus ascended back into Heaven, Peter was jealous of John and Jesus had to correct Him. Jn 21. @Mink57

After Paul was called to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles" in the "time of the Gentiles"..... (you are in it)......>Jesus personally Gave to Paul the correct understanding of "The Gospel"........and Jesus personally taught Paul "church Doctrine".
This is why Paul's is the main writer of the Epistles found in a NT.

Later, Paul had to correct PETER, because Peter and His group "walked not uprightly according to the TRUTH", Paul wrote.

Peter is not a Pope.
God didnt create this situation.......Its an invention of the "Cult of Mary", for the purpose of trying to be PERCEIVED as "the one true Church".

The Last Pope, the one that just died, St Francis.......was a corrupted man, whose last efforts at changing the "cult of Mary... is to allow Homosexuals......into the Priesthood.

So, there is your "Pope"......one of them.

And Reader, there was a time, that this cult had 6 People all claiming to be The "Pope" and all saying that the other 5, were the "anti-Christ'.

So, this Religious Circus filled with robe wearing religious clowns, is one of the Devil's finest creations., along with Calvinism, and Islam.

 

[Origen]

No Apostle forgave your sin, @Origen [...]

Well, that's because the twelve apostles were dead by the time I was born, but when I go to their successors, some of whom are the priests in my local Church, for confession, they forgive my sins on behalf of the one who gave the twelve apostles and their successors the authority to do so:

"If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”

 

[Mink57]

I realize that Jesus was speaking to Peter at that moment. He said it to all of them during the Upper Room Discourse.

I think the point is that Jesus told Peter FIRST, but he told ALL of them later.

 

[Behold]

Well, that's because the twelve apostles were dead by the time I was born, but when I go to their successors, some of whom are the priests in my local Church, for confession, they forgive my sins

One day, you'll find out that Jesus is the only One who God sent to forgive sin... John 14:6, and that your cults gospel is Galatians 1:8.....but till then you can keep trusting in bible verses where Jesus is only Talking to JEWS, as there are no Christians found in your verses... @Origen.......only JEWS and Jewish disciples.

 

[Origen]

One day, you'll find out that Jesus is the only One who God sent to forgive sin...

Hopefully one day you'll accept what Jesus said to His twelve appointed apostles:

"If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”

Those twelve apostles were dead by the time I was born, but when I go to their successors, some of whom are the priests in my local Church, for confession, they forgive my sins on behalf of the one who gave the twelve apostles and their successors the authority to do so: Jesus.

 

[Behold]

I realize that Jesus was speaking to Peter at that moment. He said it to all of them during the Upper Room Discourse.

Post a verse from a Bible that says...that anyone in Acts 2, (Pentecost) was told that Peter was given the "keys to the Kingdom"., ect, ect.

If you like, use any other verse in the NT, as there isn't one....

Be careful now or the "cult of mary" will grab you and make you their puppet tool.........or maybe you are already that one. ?

 

[Behold]

Hopefully one day you'll accept what Jesus said to His twelve appointed apostles:

"If you forgive anyone’s sins,

And maybe one day, You'll find out why Jesus died on The Cross, and that will be what you want to talk about, instead of the Catholic's obsession with Peter or Mary. @Origen .

 

[shepherdsword]

I posted this upthread a bit. Maybe you missed it?

In Scripture evidence for the primacy of Peter is both implicit and explicit:

• All of the Twelve Apostles are listed four times in the Scriptures, and St. Peter is named first every time (cf. Mt 10:2-4, Mk 3:16-19, Lk 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).

That hardly makes a difference

• St. Peter was chosen by the Father to receive the revelation that Jesus is “the Christ, the son of the living God” (Mt 16:15-16).

Every believer has that same revelation...and THAT is the key to the kingdom

• The angel told the women after the Resurrection, “Go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you” (Mk 16:7).

That's because Peter had denied Jesus three times. It's sure wasn't because he was the leader.

• St. Peter is listed separately as a witness to the Resurrection before the other Apostles (cf. 1 Cor 15:5-6, Lk 24:34).

So was James "After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles."

• St. Peter is charged by Christ to “strengthen your brethren” (Lk 22:31-32) and “feed my sheep” (Jn 21:5-17; cf. 10:11).

He was also told to feed His lambs but that doesn't mean the lambs were apostles. Peter remembered the Lord said this and had to be restored. After all, he was the only one to deny Jesus,

Mt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

• St. Peter proposed and presided over the election of St. Matthias as an Apostle and announced the requirements for candidacy (cf. Acts 1:15-22).
• St. Peter was the first to preach the Gospel on the day of Pentecost, which was accompanied by signs of the Holy Spirit (wind, fire, tongues) and 3000 conversions (cf. Acts 2:14-40).
• St. Peter defended the Apostles before the Sanhedrin (cf. Acts 3:6-7, 5:15, 9:36-41).
• St. Peter exercised his authority to discipline Ananias, Sapphira, and Simon the magician (cf. Acts 5:1-11, 8:18-24).
• St Peter received the vision of the Lord in order to inspire the Jewish Christians to allow Gentiles into the Church (cf. Acts 10:9-48, 11:1-18).

This is not ALL of the evidence that the RCC used to justify her position. But between this and other evidences, it's pretty clear that Peter was obviously chosen by Jesus to be a leader.

No...it isn't obvious. One could say the same thing about James. Here is a place where even Peter exalts James above the rest of the brethren.

Ac 12:17 But he, beckoning unto them with the hand to hold their peace, declared unto them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, Go shew these things unto James, and to the brethren. And he departed, and went into another place.

By your reasoning, James is the leader.

After all, here he is demanding everyone listen to him:

Ac 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: