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    Soverign Grace Well-Known Member

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    I've watched the police state become increasingly implemented towards a replica of Communist China. What concerns me is that many Christians are so enamored of Donald Trump that they're missing the fact that he's continuing all the same policies of his predecessors and greatly expanding a police state that rivals Nazi Germany. What happened to the warnings in Scripture that Satan appears as an angel of light?

    I began reading reports that those who believe in Armageddon/ the End times are thought of as possible right wing dangers. Here is one such article I read this morning:

    Political Theater: Trump vs. The Left & The Unnoticed Approach Of The Police State » Sons of Liberty Media
     
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    The anti terrorist laws are as potentially threatening to bible believing Christians as they are to the most rabid Muslim bomber.
     
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    Well! This is to be expected, During, if I remember right, Janet Reno stated that those who believe in the Bible, 2hd amendment, and home schooling, were a threat to the Sovereignty of the U S. In China you can have a Christian Church, BUT, they can not teach about the Second coming, because it is about an Extremely Powerful ruler, taking over the Planet, which in the eyes of any Government, if you partake is Treason!
    And last but not least, the prince of this age, is going to wage war against all who serve God and keep His Commandments!
    As our savior stated, remember I have told you these things before!!!
     
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    Unbelievable. I did not pay attention to politics back then and was unaware of Reno's statement.

    Very comedic yet true view of an Extremely Powerful ruler taking control ('overthrowing' the government) making partakers treasonous.

    He who sits in the Heavens laughs...

    I think we're going to see a lot of persecution in our age that we previously had not known. Right is wrong and wrong is right. Sometimes after reading the news I pray and ask God to end it already. I feel like Habakuk.
     
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    Most states get worried when they realise there is a large organised group whose primary loyalty is not to the state.
    That such a group is not organised for political influence is ignored, it is the potential political threat and the potenrial threat of an orgaisation not loyal to the state or its leaders.
    Not going to happen here?
    read this link and the article referrd to in it about the violence lgbt are prepared to use to stop debate.
    LGBT activist calls for “hardball” “fight” to empty the church pews of Christians
     
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    We Have seen it, in 2009 there were approximately 350,000 people in other countries, Raped, decapitator, limbs severed from their bodies as they were reaching out to their children, who were being torchered and murdered, all for the sake of the Gospel.
    It just hasn't come the Theater near us, YET!
     
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    Perhaps what SHOULD concern you is today's revelation that Trump's former Chief of Staff, Gen. John Kelly, was deliberately undermining President Trump's executive actions. So where Trump is doing all he can to eliminate counter productive policies, HIS OWN TOP ADMINISTRATORS (yep, - Deep State -) are working to defeat Trump's new policies.

    And yes, the State (i.e., - Deep State -) is not your friend! :)

    Dan. 10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia 14 and came to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come.”


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    Here is an Example of deep state Operatives, during Paul's Ministry! Acts 13:6-11
    6- Now when they had gone through the Island to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false Prophet, a Jew who's name was Bar-jesus.
    7- who was with the Proconsul, - [Governor of the Island] His name is Sergius Paulus, an Intelligent man. This man [ the governor ] called for Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
    8- But Elymas [bar-jesus] the Sorcerer withstood them, seeking to turn the Proconsul away from the Faith!
    9- Then Saul, who is also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him- [the sorcerer]
    10- and said, "O full of all Deceit and all Fraud, you son of the Devil, you enemy of all Righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight way of the Lord?
    11- "And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time." And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.
    This Jew of the seed of Abraham, had bowed he knee to the same prince of this age, and that age as Paul calls him!
    And now we are placed under subjection to the very same kind of people in the Governments of this world, in this age, Minion's of Satan!
     
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    I'm just coming to the realization of that. The guns are being turned our way.
     
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    I think Christians are on the cusp of some very serious discrimination. This sounds like threats of violence. And I don't think Christians can qualify or will get "special status" if victims of a hate crime. I'm against all forms of bullying or abuse of any human being.
     
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    I've heard passing reports of Christian persecution in distant lands but I think as you've said, it's coming to a theater near us. We can see the signs emerging and it's pretty unnerving. I read last night that a group is trying to get a sign that goes on a bus in NYC that says "America IS a Christian Nation." I think in response to Obama's remark that it isn't.
     
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    I think that there are a group of unelected bureaucrats working against the sovereignty of America and working to destroy it. Yet I'm also concerned that we're being treated to daily theatre of Trump vs Democrats. Remember - they were ALL friends of Jeffrey Epstein: Schumer, Clintons, Trump, etc. Diversion is a psychological maneuver to distract. It's what is used when we don't want someone to look at what is really going on so we divert their attention to something to capture their interest. Thieves sometimes use this tactic: they have people enter a store and start a ruckus to keep the management focussed on the ruckus while the thief cleans out the cash register.

    Trump has filled the White House with globalists - all those trying to destroy the sovereignty of America. He's continued the never-ending wars that has bankrupted America. Don't we care about the innocent Syrians being harmed...as long as it's not US being harmed? With an epidemic of police violence Trump told a stadium full of police that they should "knock heads together." What if it was YOUR head being knocked? I read where police set a police dog on a man in custody and let the dog maul the man to death. Just how inhumane have we become? Are we really Christians??? I'm equally against police being abused/ killed. Is this really what a President should say?

    The economy is being talked up but it's not really good. A relative told me in their area a lot of the homeless population are middle class Americans - that most are within 1 paycheck of homelessness. Have you noticed the price of food going up - and everything else? The only thing not going up is salaries - which have remained flat since the 70's I believe. I watched a documentary of a woman who had a bus driver shut the door on her and injured her. She couldn't qualify for SSD so she lost her apartment, car, and was living in a box on the street. There but by the grace of God go we.

    I know we differ in beliefs about Trump but I urge you to follow Activist Post, Chuck Baldwin, The Free Thought Project, Henry Makow, and The Rutherford Institute for a month. You'll see that a surveillance system / police state rivaling Nazi Germany has already been implemented and Trump is furthering it. He admitted on tape to being a mason - I read he is a 33rd degree mason. Barr has implemented a "pre-crime" program that I read is very dangerous.

    I came to the sickening realization that no one gets into office unless the bankers want them there. The last President to oppose them was JFK and his driver was enlisted to murder him - several weeks after giving the speech about secret societies. It's all the Hegelian Dialectic being played on the American people over and over.

    An 'angel of light' can look like a savior, talk like a savior, yet be something entirely different - we just have to study the person for a bit. When our family was young, a group of kids was playing in the back yard. A busy highway ran behind our yard with a neighbor's property in between. A man cut through our neighbor's yard to get to the group of kids in our yard. He parked his car on the highway and stood in my neighbor's yard and called the kids over to him. When they hesitated he flashed a "badge" at them. One of the neighbor girls began walking towards him and one of my kids stopped them. Instincts warned them that something wasn't right. I had also taught them extensively about Satan appearing as an angel of light.

    Upon closer examination that man's word and phony 'badge' didn't square:

    - why would a real cop park on a street and cut through someone's backyard to get to kids?
    - why would a real cop call kids over instead of going to the front door to speak with an adult?

    Trump says all the right things but when you hold him up to the light he doesn't square either. He's saying one thing and implementing the police state/ North American Union/ following the footsteps of his predecessors.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss. We're being played.

    I don't want to upset any Trump supporters - I just ask that you read the above newsletters for a month and re-evaluate your beliefs at the end. I'm afraid that we're missing what is right before our eyes.

    2 Corinthians 11:14

    “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
     
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    I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:4

    God is doing it. You give mere people far too much credit.

    Its the beginning of judgment on a nation that was formerly the most charitable and the greatest evangelizing entity on the planet, but has turned in the greatest purveyor of filth (porn) and corruption (mortgage backed securities and other Wall St shenanigans). All the babies killed and the perversion started here that the world follows. We're about to be judged not NT style or OT style, but Tribulation style. Get ready Bri, its coming.

    May God have mercy on our souls.
     
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    I think we're on the cusp of something big - and I am seeing something like a giant asteroid about to hit us. I think bad times are coming. I could be wrong but all the signposts are there.
     
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    I'm seeing that most manufacturing has left America - the biggest employer now is the government! A country without manufacturing is bad.

    Save Our Sovereignty, Reject the USMCA

    On this week’s Matter of Action, Wayne Morrow speaks with a JBS member living in Santiago, Chile. She gives a firsthand account of the unrest happening in Chile in the wake of subway and bus fares being increased. She explains that while the middle class, primarily young men age 15 to 25, are looting, pillaging, burning down buildings and physically attacking police – they’re simultaneously demanding human rights. Wayne points out that Chile will likely head down the same path as Venezuela.

    On a different note, Congress is facing immense pressure to pass the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement. We are running out of time to fight back against this trade deal as there have been reports that Congress wants the deal done within the next couple weeks before Thanksgiving or around Christmas time. As Congress inches closer to a vote we must continue to urge them to vote no on the USMCA. Many in Congress are still unaware of the dangers that this trade deal presents and we have the opportunity to educate them on this sovereignty destroying partnership.

    In the past President Trump has referred to NAFTA and the TPP as some of the worst trade deals in history. Yet his support of the USMCA (NAFTA 2.0) is concerning since 57% of the TPP and 41% of NAFTA was found in the new USMCA deal. NAFTA has helped to devastate our manufacturing base as well as be the foundation for creating the North American Union.

    With time running out, it is urgent that we are making Congress aware of the dangers of this trade agreement. Look up the globalist traps in the USMCA Issues Index and check out our other USMCA Action Tools. Also please phone President Trump (202-456-1111), your representative (202-225-3121), and Senators (202-224-3121) and tell them to stop the USMCA. Then follow up with our Action Alertemail to inform them of the dangers of entering this trade agreement.

    NAFTA and the TPP have been slowly destroying our sovereignty and the new USMCA deal would take off right where these left off. We must continue to fight back against these globalist powers and stop the USMCA to save American liberty and independence.

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    President Trump, Read the USMCA!

    Congress is facing immense pressure to pass the trade deal that President Trump brokered with Canada and Mexico. The USMCA is supposed to take the place of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement.

    President Trump has called NAFTA the worst trade deal in history. Yet critics point to the USMCA as being NAFTA 2.0 as well as akin to the Trans Pacific Partnership, another trade deal that Trump hates and pulled us out of.

    We'll look at this trade deal in the form of an open letter to President Trump in this episode of Analysis Behind the News.

     
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    We are not to be troubled, Our Savior expressed to His Disciples after explaining that the Temple would be destroyed, when you see these signs, Be Not Troubled, Fear Not, what can they do to you after the body is destroyed. We have the Assurance of the resurrection!
     
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    I agree. What I try to do is to accept that this is the fulfilling of prophecy. So then when bad things do happen, it is only the proving of God's Word. Actually increasing my faith. Things appear chaotic and they are in the Natural, but ultimately our Lord is in control. We may be offered up as sheep or we may escape. But, ultimately, we are destined for a safe, secure and sane eternal existence. I just pray that we keep our eyes on the most important prize when things get really difficult. When things are so bad that men's hearts fail them for fear.

    Like Ziglar said in 1990s. "Each morning I like to read the newspaper and the Bible. That way, I know what both sides are up to!" Well, I guess we really should see the news as God in action as well? He could stop all of this this very instant. So I find it immeasurably reassuring to know that God is in control even as these things unfurl. I hope you do too.

    These are unique times.
     
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    I think sometimes some Christians have fallen pretty close to Trump worship, if they hadn't already.

    And also others too, yes sorry for using this as example but didn't Israel go to the extreme of not only naming a public square after Trump, a soccer team after Trump, and they even named a town after Trump? And it was celebrated by some Christians? :eek:

    I'm sorry I am saying this, but some are just following too close behind Trump, that some Churches are even preaching Trump politics...
     
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