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Big Boy Johnson

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You are not knowing that by default through Adam, every unsaved person is a child of the devil.

No, they became a child of the devil after they arrive in the world and started sinning.
We were NOT born with a sin nature!

When God placed a person in the mother's womb... the Lord did not put sin in to them making them to be born as sinners.

What some are referring to as "sin nature" are the habits we all take on as a result of living in a world full of sin and darkness and habitually they become full of "sin nature" because they live in sin continually walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.

God did not make anyone to be a sinner when He created them... but satan claims He did

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


We all became sinners AFTER we arrived on Club Earth so God is holding each person accountable for their own sin, not for Adam's sin

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Here again.... death (separation from God) passed upon all men because all have sinned

Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Those claiming what Adam did made all people to be sinners... so WHY do they not believe verse 19 and apply the same logic???

If they did that then they would have to now claim that all have been made righteous thru the actions of Jesus



Once a person is born again of Christ's Holy Spirit, Satan is booted out and can never re-enter that person again.

If that is true then your claim that "ONLY born again Christians can commit the sin of the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" because you just got finished claiming satan can never ever enter a person once they are born again

You are contradicting yourself - You can't have it both ways




Please study the scripture references about the "strong man"

You should learn to accept the entire New Testament and notice God's warnings to Christians showing that it's is possible for Christians to lose their salvation.

In other words, quit being a cherry picker!
 

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No, they became a child of the devil after they arrive in the world and started sinning.
We were NOT born with a sin nature!

When God placed a person in the mother's womb... the Lord did not put sin in to them making them to be born as sinners.

What some are referring to as "sin nature" are the habits we all take on as a result of living in a world full of sin and darkness and habitually they become full of "sin nature" because they live in sin continually walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.

God did not make anyone to be a sinner when He created them... but satan claims He did

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


We all became sinners AFTER we arrived on Club Earth so God is holding each person accountable for their own sin, not for Adam's sin

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Here again.... death (separation from God) passed upon all men because all have sinned

Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Those claiming what Adam did made all people to be sinners... so WHY do they not believe verse 19 and apply the same logic???

If they did that then they would have to now claim that all have been made righteous thru the actions of Jesus
First and foremost, no human is born into this world with an eternal living soul, nor are they pre-existent waiting for a mortal birth!!
Ever since the mortal creation of Adam and Eve, all are born as a mere mortals.
Gen. 3
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
 

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If that is true then your claim that "ONLY born again Christians can commit the sin of the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" because you just got finished claiming satan can never ever enter a person once they are born again

You are contradicting yourself - You can't have it both ways
When one is freely given the Gift of the Holy Spirit, and then they reject Him out of their life, the Holy Spirit will permanently leave that person, and they shall revert back to their previous existence, whereby satan is able to take up residence within them again.

Please read the following within the context of the other gospel references about the strong man:
Luke 11
[24] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house [temple body] whence I came out.
[25] And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
[26] Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
 

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First and foremost, no human is born into this world with an eternal living soul

Anybody not born with spirit, soul, and body was not created in God's image and has no business being here such as the nephilim which is why the Lord took them out in the flood.

Babies are actually alive unto the Lord until the age of accountability when they become aware of right and wrong and choose to do wrong. Paul spoke about that:

Romans 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Romans 1:20,21

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.




When one is freely given the Gift of the Holy Spirit, and then they reject Him out of their life, the Holy Spirit will permanently leave that person, and they shall revert back to their previous existence, whereby satan is able to take up residence within them again.

Earlier you said "Once a person is born again of Christ's Holy Spirit, satan is booted out and can never re-enter that person again."

Now you are saying what you said earlier is not true. :funlaugh2
 

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I have been pondering whether or not we can discover where we are in God's timeline.

I would suggest that we start in Leviticus and Deuteronomy in the "If then," "not if then," and "but if then," chapters in these two books of the Bible.

I would suggest that we are still in the "not if" sections of these two books. The "if" section did not last too long as the iniquities of the fathers kicked in very quickly and the "but if" portion of these two books will, in my understanding, start to play out in around twenty years from now.

God's promises to enter into a covenant of peace with His Saints by the removal of the influence of the "beasts, the Little Horn and Satan" from the face of the earth for a season, so that we can renew our minds and put on the refurbished personhood that God has intended us to become during the last Age.

God is wanting His Saints to willingly enter into the "But If" period for mankind where we accept and apply God's statutes and commandments to ourselves as an individual person acknowledging our needs for a fulfilled relations with God on His terms so that we can inherit His earth as we grow into respecting His terms and responsibilities of His unbreakable everlasting relationship with Him.

We all need to understand and implement God's terms, statutes and conditions, to gain a life with no end in His presences.

Shalom

PS: - The longer we live the easier it is to accept that nothing every changes in God's purposes for our lives and everything remains the same within God's framework for living..
 
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God's promises to enter into a covenant of peace with His Saints

Jesus already brought with Him the New Covenant that was spoken of in the old testament

Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

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Jesus already brought with Him the New Covenant that was spoken of in the old testament

The Original salvation Covenant has not changed at all, but what has changed is the process by which our redemption is now available to us.

Shalom
 

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So in your view Hebrews 10:9, Hebrews 8:6, and Hebrews 7:12 are lies that need to be removed from God's Word because the Holy Spirit made a mistake and was in error when He had Paul write these portions of scripture?

God's Word is very clear so clear even you should be able to understand what is being said: Jesus took away the first covenant and He established the New Covenant

If you really believe what you just said then you do acknowledge you are living by the old covenant then?
 

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Anybody not born with spirit, soul, and body was not created in God's image and has no business being here such as the nephilim which is why the Lord took them out in the flood.

Babies are actually alive unto the Lord until the age of accountability when they become aware of right and wrong and choose to do wrong. Paul spoke about that:

Romans 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Romans 1:20,21

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.






Earlier you said "Once a person is born again of Christ's Holy Spirit, satan is booted out and can never re-enter that person again."

Now you are saying what you said earlier is not true. :funlaugh2
You can spin this the way you like, but what I said about satan never being able to re-enter a born again Christian, is based on the conditions of the scripture you quoted. If a person REJECTS Christ after receiving the Gift of His Holy Spirit, they are wilfully breaking the covenant of that relationship.
Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
See also:
Heb. 10

[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he WAS sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
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Do scouts still say this?

Seems as if the concept of preparation is losing traction over time.