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Eph 1:13 In whom also ye haue trusted, after that ye heard the worde of trueth, euen the Gospel of your saluation, wherein also after that ye beleeued, ye were sealed with the holy Spirite of promes, ...

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13.In whom ye also. He associates the Ephesians with himself, and with the rest of those who were the first fruits; for he says that they, in like manner, trusted in Christ. His object is, to shew that both had the same faith; and therefore we must supply the word trusted from the twelfth verse. He afterwards states that they were brought to that hope by the preaching of the gospel.
Two epithets are here applied to the gospel, — the word of truth, and the gospel of your salvation. Both deserve our careful attention. Nothing is more earnestly attempted by Satan than to lead us either to doubt or to despise the gospel.

Paul therefore furnishes us with two shields, by which we may repel both temptations. In opposition to every doubt, let us learn to bring forward this testimony, that the gospel is not only certain truth, which cannot deceive, but is, by way of eminence, (κατ ᾿ ἐξοχὴν,) the word of truth, as if, strictly speaking, there were no truth but itself. If the temptation be to contempt or dislike of the gospel, let us remember that its power and efficacy have been manifested in bringing to us salvation. The apostle had formerly declared that
“it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believeth,” (Rom_1:16;)
but here he expresses more, for he reminds the Ephesians that, having been made partakers of salvation, they had learned this by their own experience.

Unhappy they who weary themselves, as the world generally does, in wandering through many winding paths, neglecting the gospel, and pleasing themselves with wild romances, —
“ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,”
(2Ti_3:7)
or to find life!

But happy they who have embraced the gospel, and whose attachment to it is steadfast; for this, beyond all doubt, is truth and life.
In whom also, after that ye believed. Having maintained that the gospel is certain, he now comes to the proof. And what higher surety can be found than the Holy Spirit? “Having denominated the gospel the word of truth, I will not prove it by the authority of men; for you have the testimony of the Spirit of God himself, who seals the truth of it in your hearts.”

This elegant comparison is taken from Seals, which among men have the effect of removing doubt. Seals give validity both to charters and to testaments; anciently, they were the principal means by which the writer of a letter could be known; and, in short, a seal distinguishes what is true and certain, from what is false and spurious. This office the apostle ascribes to the Holy Spirit, not only here, but in another part of this Epistle, (Eph_4:30,) and in the Second Epistle to the Corinthians, (2Co_1:22.)

Our minds never become so firmly established in the truth of God as to resist all the temptations of Satan, until we have been confirmed in it by the Holy Spirit. The true conviction which believers have of the word of God, of their own salvation, and of religion in general, does not spring from the judgment of the flesh, or from human and philosophical arguments, but from the sealing of the Spirit, who imparts to their consciences such certainty as to remove all doubt.

The foundation of faith would be frail and unsteady, if it rested on human wisdom; and therefore, as preaching is the instrument of faith, so the Holy Spirit makes preaching efficacious.
But is it not the faith itself which is here said to be sealed by the Holy Spirit? If so, faith goes before the sealing.

I answer, there are two operations of the Spirit in faith, corresponding to the two parts of which faith consists, as it enlightens, and as it establishes the mind. The commencement of faith is knowledge: the completion of it is a firm and steady conviction, which admits of no opposing doubt. Both, I have said, are the work of the Spirit. No wonder, then, if Paul should declare that the Ephesians, who received by faith the truth of the gospel, were confirmed in that faith by the seal of the Holy Spirit.
With that Holy Spirit of promise. This title is derived from the effect produced; for to him we owe it that the promise of salvation is not made to us in vain. As God promises in his word, “that he will be to us a Father,” (2Co_6:18,) so he gives to us the evidence of having adopted us by the Holy Spirit.


ye also: Eph_2:11, Eph_2:12, Col_1:21-23, 1Pe_2:10
after that ye heard: Eph_4:21, Joh_1:17, Rom_6:17, Rom_10:14-17, Col_1:4-6, Col_1:23, 1Th_2:13
the word: Psa_119:43, 2Co_6:7, 2Ti_2:15, Jam_1:18
the gospel: Mar_16:15, Mar_16:16, Act_13:26, Rom_1:16, 2Ti_3:15, Tit_2:11, Heb_2:3
ye we:re Eph_4:30, Joh_6:27, Rom_4:11, 2Co_1:22, 2Ti_2:19, Rev_7:2
holy: Joe_2:28, Luk_11:13, Luk_24:49, Joh_14:16, Joh_14:17, Joh_14:26, Joh_15:26, Joh_16:7-15, Act_1:4, Act_2:16-22, Act_2:33, Gal_3:14
Reciprocal: Exo_28:11 - engravings of a signet 2Ch_16:7 - Because Psa_86:2 - trusteth Psa_125:1 - that trust Pro_16:20 - whoso Son_2:12 - of the turtle Son_4:12 - sealed Son_8:5 - leaning Jer_32:10 - and sealed Eze_36:27 - I will Dan_3:28 - that trusted Zep_3:12 - and Mat_12:21 - General Luk_15:22 - a ring Joh_4:14 - shall be Joh_5:23 - all men Joh_7:39 - this spake Act_9:31 - and in Rom_5:5 - shed Rom_8:9 - if so be Rom_8:16 - Spirit Rom_15:12 - in him 1Co_15:19 - hope 2Co_5:5 - the earnest Gal_2:5 - that Gal_3:2 - Received Gal_4:6 - God Eph_1:12 - who Phi_1:27 - the faith Phi_2:1 - if any fellowship Phi_2:19 - But Col_1:5 - the word 2Ti_1:12 - believed Jam_1:21 - which 1Pe_1:8 - full 1Pe_1:21 - your

2) "After that ye heard the word of truth" (akousantes ton logon tes aletheias) "Hearing (while hearing) the word' of the truth." This is what Cornelius and his household did, Act_10:43-46; Act_11:21. Believing or trusting in the Lord is evidenced in one by a voluntary turning to worship and service toward Him, Act_9:5-9.

3) "The gospel of your salvation" (to evangelion tes soterias humon) "The gospel of your salvation or deliverance." The salvation of the Ephesians came through Paul's preaching and their acceptance of "repentance toward God," and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ, Act_20:20-21; Act_20:26-31.

4) "In whom also after that ye believed" (en ho kai pisteusantes) "in whom also (when) ye believed," or having fully believed. The Holy Spirit quickens every believer to life eternal and seals the stamp of divine ownership upon him to eternal life, Joh_6:63; Joh_10:27-29; 1Jn_5:13.

5) "Ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (esphragisthete to pneumati tes epangelias to hagio) "With the Holy Spirit of promise." This seal is heaven's stamp of eternal ownership of the sealed property, 2Ti_2:19; Eph_4:30. If salvation could ever be lost, it would have to be after the resurrection of the body of the believer; for until the redemption of the body (the purchased (paid for) possession of every believer), one is sealed. See also Rom_8:23.
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Eph 1:13 In whom also ye haue trusted, after that ye heard the worde of trueth, euen the Gospel of your saluation, wherein also after that ye beleeued, ye were sealed with the holy Spirite of promes, ...

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you were sealed....

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13.In whom ye also. He associates the Ephesians with himself, and with the rest of those who were the first fruits; for he says that they, in like manner, trusted in Christ. His object is, to shew that both had the same faith; and therefore we must supply the word trusted from the twelfth verse. He afterwards states that they were brought to that hope by the preaching of the gospel.
Two epithets are here applied to the gospel, — the word of truth, and the gospel of your salvation. Both deserve our careful attention. Nothing is more earnestly attempted by Satan than to lead us either to doubt or to despise the gospel.

Paul therefore furnishes us with two shields, by which we may repel both temptations. In opposition to every doubt, let us learn to bring forward this testimony, that the gospel is not only certain truth, which cannot deceive, but is, by way of eminence, (κατ ᾿ ἐξοχὴν,) the word of truth, as if, strictly speaking, there were no truth but itself. If the temptation be to contempt or dislike of the gospel, let us remember that its power and efficacy have been manifested in bringing to us salvation. The apostle had formerly declared that
“it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believeth,” (Rom_1:16;)
but here he expresses more, for he reminds the Ephesians that, having been made partakers of salvation, they had learned this by their own experience.

Unhappy they who weary themselves, as the world generally does, in wandering through many winding paths, neglecting the gospel, and pleasing themselves with wild romances, —
“ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,”
(2Ti_3:7)
or to find life!

But happy they who have embraced the gospel, and whose attachment to it is steadfast; for this, beyond all doubt, is truth and life.
In whom also, after that ye believed. Having maintained that the gospel is certain, he now comes to the proof. And what higher surety can be found than the Holy Spirit? “Having denominated the gospel the word of truth, I will not prove it by the authority of men; for you have the testimony of the Spirit of God himself, who seals the truth of it in your hearts.”

This elegant comparison is taken from Seals, which among men have the effect of removing doubt. Seals give validity both to charters and to testaments; anciently, they were the principal means by which the writer of a letter could be known; and, in short, a seal distinguishes what is true and certain, from what is false and spurious. This office the apostle ascribes to the Holy Spirit, not only here, but in another part of this Epistle, (Eph_4:30,) and in the Second Epistle to the Corinthians, (2Co_1:22.)

Our minds never become so firmly established in the truth of God as to resist all the temptations of Satan, until we have been confirmed in it by the Holy Spirit. The true conviction which believers have of the word of God, of their own salvation, and of religion in general, does not spring from the judgment of the flesh, or from human and philosophical arguments, but from the sealing of the Spirit, who imparts to their consciences such certainty as to remove all doubt.

The foundation of faith would be frail and unsteady, if it rested on human wisdom; and therefore, as preaching is the instrument of faith, so the Holy Spirit makes preaching efficacious.
But is it not the faith itself which is here said to be sealed by the Holy Spirit? If so, faith goes before the sealing.

I answer, there are two operations of the Spirit in faith, corresponding to the two parts of which faith consists, as it enlightens, and as it establishes the mind. The commencement of faith is knowledge: the completion of it is a firm and steady conviction, which admits of no opposing doubt. Both, I have said, are the work of the Spirit. No wonder, then, if Paul should declare that the Ephesians, who received by faith the truth of the gospel, were confirmed in that faith by the seal of the Holy Spirit.
With that Holy Spirit of promise. This title is derived from the effect produced; for to him we owe it that the promise of salvation is not made to us in vain. As God promises in his word, “that he will be to us a Father,” (2Co_6:18,) so he gives to us the evidence of having adopted us by the Holy Spirit.


ye also: Eph_2:11, Eph_2:12, Col_1:21-23, 1Pe_2:10
after that ye heard: Eph_4:21, Joh_1:17, Rom_6:17, Rom_10:14-17, Col_1:4-6, Col_1:23, 1Th_2:13
the word: Psa_119:43, 2Co_6:7, 2Ti_2:15, Jam_1:18
the gospel: Mar_16:15, Mar_16:16, Act_13:26, Rom_1:16, 2Ti_3:15, Tit_2:11, Heb_2:3
ye we:re Eph_4:30, Joh_6:27, Rom_4:11, 2Co_1:22, 2Ti_2:19, Rev_7:2
holy: Joe_2:28, Luk_11:13, Luk_24:49, Joh_14:16, Joh_14:17, Joh_14:26, Joh_15:26, Joh_16:7-15, Act_1:4, Act_2:16-22, Act_2:33, Gal_3:14
Reciprocal: Exo_28:11 - engravings of a signet 2Ch_16:7 - Because Psa_86:2 - trusteth Psa_125:1 - that trust Pro_16:20 - whoso Son_2:12 - of the turtle Son_4:12 - sealed Son_8:5 - leaning Jer_32:10 - and sealed Eze_36:27 - I will Dan_3:28 - that trusted Zep_3:12 - and Mat_12:21 - General Luk_15:22 - a ring Joh_4:14 - shall be Joh_5:23 - all men Joh_7:39 - this spake Act_9:31 - and in Rom_5:5 - shed Rom_8:9 - if so be Rom_8:16 - Spirit Rom_15:12 - in him 1Co_15:19 - hope 2Co_5:5 - the earnest Gal_2:5 - that Gal_3:2 - Received Gal_4:6 - God Eph_1:12 - who Phi_1:27 - the faith Phi_2:1 - if any fellowship Phi_2:19 - But Col_1:5 - the word 2Ti_1:12 - believed Jam_1:21 - which 1Pe_1:8 - full 1Pe_1:21 - your

2) "After that ye heard the word of truth" (akousantes ton logon tes aletheias) "Hearing (while hearing) the word' of the truth." This is what Cornelius and his household did, Act_10:43-46; Act_11:21. Believing or trusting in the Lord is evidenced in one by a voluntary turning to worship and service toward Him, Act_9:5-9.

3) "The gospel of your salvation" (to evangelion tes soterias humon) "The gospel of your salvation or deliverance." The salvation of the Ephesians came through Paul's preaching and their acceptance of "repentance toward God," and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ, Act_20:20-21; Act_20:26-31.

4) "In whom also after that ye believed" (en ho kai pisteusantes) "in whom also (when) ye believed," or having fully believed. The Holy Spirit quickens every believer to life eternal and seals the stamp of divine ownership upon him to eternal life, Joh_6:63; Joh_10:27-29; 1Jn_5:13.

5) "Ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (esphragisthete to pneumati tes epangelias to hagio) "With the Holy Spirit of promise." This seal is heaven's stamp of eternal ownership of the sealed property, 2Ti_2:19; Eph_4:30. If salvation could ever be lost, it would have to be after the resurrection of the body of the believer; for until the redemption of the body (the purchased (paid for) possession of every believer), one is sealed. See also Rom_8:23.
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Are we sealed with the Holy Spirit?

Not quite yet Joe, they have to endure till the end just like the rest of us. In fact, Jesus said that to those who would become born again shortly after he said it to them.
 

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Not quite yet Joe, they have to endure till the end just like the rest of us. In fact, Jesus said that to those who would become born again shortly after he said it to them.

Robert, if you have read carefully, you would not have come up with..."Not quite yet..."

Your theology is incorrect.

 
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Not quite yet Joe, they have to endure till the end just like the rest of us. In fact, Jesus said that to those who would become born again shortly after he said it to them.


Salvation
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I wonder what the good news is for unbelievers?........which from memory, Paul went to preach to ....and, Jesus forgave while he was dying ie, while they were killing him?
 
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Eph 1:13 In whom also ye haue trusted, after that ye heard the worde of trueth, euen the Gospel of your saluation, wherein also after that ye beleeued, ye were sealed with the holy Spirite of promes, ...
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Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth.
 
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I wonder what the good news is for unbelievers?........which from memory, Paul went to preach to ....and, Jesus forgave while he was dying ie, while they were killing him?

I am dealing with someone who is unsure re his salvation, would you mind?
So far I do not see you doing anything constructive which begs the question...why are you here?
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Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth.
Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth.


1Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Blessings
J.
 

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A child of God is 'sealed.'

3x the concept of sealing is used in the NT: 2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13 and 4:30.

The seal or sealing represents our redemption and salvation of our future inheritance and promise in a new glorious body in the Kingdom. To place upon someone the seal with the spirit, is to permanently mark as authentic ownership, ahead of time in reservation for God's possession.
 
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Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth.

Paul told Timothy to study the Scriptures he had from his youth.
The NT had not been written yet.
Paul is instructing Timothy to read and study the Law and the Prophets.
 

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A child of God is 'sealed.'

3x the concept of sealing is used in the NT: 2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13 and 4:30.

The seal or sealing represents our redemption and salvation of our future inheritance and promise in a new glorious body in the Kingdom. To place upon someone the seal with the spirit, is to permanently mark as authentic ownership, ahead of time in reservation for God's possession.

@APAK I fully concur...did I mention something that was ambiguous?
Blessings
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1Co_13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Blessings
J.

Be realistic, what Paul said there to Timothy doesn't literally mean Timothy knew The Word of God as a baby. In 2 Timothy 1:5, Paul suggests that Timothy got his Faith from his mother and grandmother's Faith. So he had to have been 'taught' by his mother and grandmother.

2 Tim 1:5
5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

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Paul told Timothy to study the Scriptures he had from his youth.
The NT had not been written yet.
Paul is instructing Timothy to read and study the Law and the Prophets.

And... also what Paul showed him, which had to have included the witnesses by Christ's Apostles also, Paul included of course. So we cannot say that Timothy was only instructed in The Old Testament Scriptures.
 

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Be realistic, what Paul said there to Timothy doesn't literally mean Timothy knew The Word of God as a baby. In 2 Timothy 1:5, Paul suggests that Timothy got his Faith from his mother and grandmother's Faith. So he had to have been 'taught' by his mother and grandmother.

2 Tim 1:5
5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

KJV

@Davy
Didn't I say I concur re your comment?
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Didn't I say I concur re your comment?
J.

What you quoted from Paul about the 'child' point can be misunderstood by new babes here. Some would actually believe that Timothy was born with The Holy Spirit, instead of being given by Paul's laying on of hands.
 

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And... also what Paul showed him, which had to have included the witnesses by Christ's Apostles also, Paul included of course. So we cannot say that Timothy was only instructed in The Old Testament Scriptures.

You posted, "Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth."

Paul is specifically telling Timothy to study the Torah and the Prophets. That is the incident YOU posted. Now, you want to say "So we cannot say that Timothy was only instructed in The Old Testament Scriptures." The problem is Paul IS saying that. There was no NT to read and study. It had not yet been written.

The OT explains the NT. (Romans 15:4) The reason Christians are so confused is they ignore the OT. Without the Torah and the prophets, a person can formulate their own definitions for everything and their own doctrines for everything. The OT is the key to knowing the NT. Ignoring it why Christianity is a confusing mess.

2 Peter 1:20 sheds light on the issue. Without the OT as the guide, a person can use any verse of Scripture to mean anything they want it to mean. That's what is going on today.
 

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You posted, "Still have to study God's Word in order for the Holy Spirit to teach us. No believer on Christ is immediately imbued with all Bible understanding just by believing on Jesus and being baptized. Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, rightly dividing The Word of Truth."

Paul is specifically telling Timothy to study the Torah and the Prophets. That is the incident YOU posted. Now, you want to say "So we cannot say that Timothy was only instructed in The Old Testament Scriptures." The problem is Paul IS saying that. There was no NT to read and study. It had not yet been written.

The OT explains the NT. (Romans 15:4) The reason Christians are so confused is they ignore the OT. Without the Torah and the prophets, a person can formulate their own definitions for everything and their own doctrines for everything. The OT is the key to knowing the NT. Ignoring it why Christianity is a confusing mess.

2 Peter 1:20 sheds light on the issue. Without the OT as the guide, a person can use any verse of Scripture to mean anything they want it to mean. That's what is going on today.

You want to say The Old Testament and prophets is all... that Timothy was instructed in. Not true, since Apostle Paul was ALREADY a scholar in The Old Testament, but his understanding was corrected directly... by Christ Jesus Himself! And you want to try and claim Paul didn't show Timothy about that too? You're funny.