Are You Free From The Law?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

this is not true, It is not cheap anything, it is a basis of fact

True living faith produces works, Heb 11 proves this.

You do not have faith in someone, yet continually show a lack of faith in that person by NEVER doing anything they ask or request.

Saying there is a possibility of faith void of works just proves a lack of knowledge of what true living faith is.

Who said <<there is a possibility of faith void of works>>?
I maintained and state as a matter of <fact> again, Good works are not conditional, they are inevitable. Why are they inevitable?, because "God will finish the work He began in you." -- God is the Condition as well as Accomplisher of every 'good'- 'godly' work in you. He is "the Author and Finisher of faith", says His Word. The works which follow faith therefore are like faith, inevitable, not conditional.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're a troll, see?

he is a troll, because he showed you the truth about Jesus and the sabbath?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who said <<there is a possibility of faith void of works>>?
I maintained and state as a matter of <fact> again, Good works are not conditional, they are inevitable. Why are they inevitable?, because "God will finish the work He began in you." -- God is the Condition as well as Accomplisher of every 'good'- 'godly' work in you. He is "the Author and Finisher of faith", says His Word. The works which follow faith therefore are like faith, inevitable, not conditional.

so then you agree with us, Yet you say its cheap Arminianism

Works don't <follow as a result>; that is cheap Arminianism.

who is the one trolling?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That means we all go to Hell. Because jesus did not fulfill the law as he claimed, and his sacrifice was nullified, because he could only pay for his sin.

another uncallable

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

he is a troll, because he showed you the truth about Jesus and the sabbath?

Another uncallable another troll

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Another uncallable another troll

so this is what you call anyone who disagrees with you?

Is this ok with the forum rules? To keep calling people trolls?

why did you not answer my question?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

so this is what you call anyone who disagrees with you?

Is this ok with the forum rules? To keep calling people trolls?

why did you not answer my question?

lolzzz...

 

[mjrhealth]

You're a troll, see?

all i see is a man who loves his religion and despises the truth, and when he gets offended by the truth,

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

should i add

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Be blessed

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

all i see is a man who loves his religion and despises the truth, and when he gets offended by the truth,

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

should i add

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Be blessed

You see, you're a troll though an angel of somewhere. Angels often are trolls

 

[mjrhealth]

You see, you're a troll though an angel of somewhere. Angels often are trolls

Hmm is the truth so offensive to you.

Nothing to say,

 

[RogerDC]

says the person that can go out and get drunk all they want, sleep around all they want, and all you have to do is a sacrament or two and your ok..(Yeah, I have met many a catholic, and even dated a few, so do not even try to deny it)

Stop talking ignorant nonsense. In order for the sacrament to be effective, one must have genuine remorse for having sinned and then one must vow to do one's best to not commit that sin again. God is not a fool - He forgives only if the confession is genuine, otherwise the sacrament is useless. This is what Catholics are taught.

 

[mjrhealth]

Stop talking ignorant nonsense. In order for the sacrament to be effective, one must have genuine remorse for having sinned and then one must vow to do one's best to not commit that sin again. God is not a fool - He forgives only if the confession is genuine, otherwise the sacrament is useless. This is what Catholics are taught.

Stupid thing is you are forgiven once and forever, that moment you say to Christ, forgive me i believe you. The rest is just men and religion.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Find me a christian who does not sin and ill show you a liar who is therefore a sinner, and you call me a troll, but cant believe you couldnt find an argument, going to snow in the simpson desert tonight..

As Christians we are not free from the Law, and by the Law I mean God's moral law. We still have a moral responsibility to God. But we are free from the penalty for failing to keep the Law, but our sanctification (not our salvation) is developing dependence on the Holy Spirit to keep our bodies in subjection and to keep us from the works of the flesh, and so our bodies are no longer our masters, because we are not subject to the power of sin any longer. But we hate sin and love holiness and earnestly desire to become more perfect in holiness to live lives glorifying to Christ.

 

[mjrhealth]

As Christians we are not free from the Law, and by the Law I mean God's moral law

IF we are not free from "law' no matter what you call it, than we are not free in Christ, He came to set us free if we are still under any law, than we are not free, Have you tried to go outside lately, we are supposed to be free, but step outside and the law slaps a fine on you, so are we really free.
In Christ we are free from the consequence of sin, juts like a parent isnt going to beat there child up because they pooed there nappy, who do you think God is, you keep making it all about your works and take all the glory from Christ. Besides if Christ has forgiven our sins, how can God condemn us a second time for the same sin, that would make Him two faced and Christ a liar.

I know that wont change your thinking but that is between you and God.

 

[Paul Christensen]

IF we are not free from "law' no matter what you call it, than we are not free in Christ, He came to set us free if we are still under any law, than we are not free, Have you tried to go outside lately, we are supposed to be free, but step outside and the law slaps a fine on you, so are we really free.
In Christ we are free from the consequence of sin, juts like a parent isnt going to beat there child up because they pooed there nappy, who do you think God is, you keep making it all about your works and take all the glory from Christ. Besides if Christ has forgiven our sins, how can God condemn us a second time for the same sin, that would make Him two faced and Christ a liar.

I know that wont change your thinking but that is between you and God.

But I am free! Before I was converted I was a slave to sin. I had no other choice. I was not free to do anything else but sin. But when I got converted to Christ I am now totally free to choose holiness of life over sin. I have the freedom not to lie, steal, fornicate, commit adultery, be jealous or envious, have riotous behaviour, hating anyone without cause, blaspheme, or be involved in the occult and witchcraft.

I have the freedom to pay, be loving, joyful, peaceful, faithful, gentle, kind, good, patient, and self-controlled.

In other words I am free to obey God's moral law expressed in the commands of Christ. That is total freedom.

Obeying God's moral law is only an unwelcome restriction for those who love sin and hate holiness. It is usually an indication that the person is holding on to a favourite sin and having an image of God whom they can cuddle up to and be comfortable with.

But David said, "I have seen a limit to all perfection, but Your commandment is without limit. Oh, how I love Your law! All day long it is my meditation. Your commandments make me wiser than my enemies, for they are always with me" (Psalm 119:96-98). This is the voice of total freedom in Christ.

 

[mjrhealth]

But I am free! Before I was converted I was a slave to sin. I had no other choice. I was not free to do anything else but sin. But when I got converted to Christ I am now totally free to choose holiness of life over sin. I have the freedom not to lie, steal, fornicate, commit adultery, be jealous or envious, have riotous behaviour, hating anyone without cause, blaspheme, or be involved in the occult and witchcraft.

I have the freedom to pay, be loving, joyful, peaceful, faithful, gentle, kind, good, patient, and self-controlled.

In other words I am free to obey God's moral law expressed in the commands of Christ. That is total freedom.

Obeying God's moral law is only an unwelcome restriction for those who love sin and hate holiness. It is usually an indication that the person is holding on to a favourite sin and having an image of God whom they can cuddle up to and be comfortable with.

But David said, "I have seen a limit to all perfection, but Your commandment is without limit. Oh, how I love Your law! All day long it is my meditation. Your commandments make me wiser than my enemies, for they are always with me" (Psalm 119:96-98). This is the voice of total freedom in Christ.

But you are not free according to you, because according to you, the "law" is still sitting over your head, so you sin you break the law as you see it and you die ,

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

the law was and is for those who choose it all about self, works. Look at em God im such a good kid,

 

[RogerDC]

As Christians we are not free from the Law, and by the Law I mean God's moral law. We still have a moral responsibility to God. But we are free from the penalty for failing to keep the Law

No penalty for sin?
In that case, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5 that their sins can land them in hell?

 

[Paul Christensen]

But you are not free according to you, because according to you, the "law" is still sitting over your head, so you sin you break the law as you see it and you die ,

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

the law was and is for those who choose it all about self, works. Look at em God im such a good kid,

I think we are talking past each other and dealing with two separate issues. I don't depend on the Law to be saved, but by the grace of God through my faith in the finished work of Christ. Therefore, I no longer have the Law as an anvil on a rotten rope hanging over my head. I think that is what you are talking about.

But as converted believers, we no longer see the Law as limiting us because we, as David says, love God's Law and find it gives us freedom to choose to live by it, because we know that without holiness noone can see the Lord. We know that lawlessness is a work of the flesh, and so we are not a slave any longer to the words of the flesh, as we were before we were converted to Christ.

The problem with saying that the Law takes our freedom away, means that we can go and rape a child when we want to because we have the freedom to do it without penalty because we have faith in Christ. Or we have the freedom to shack up with a girlfriend and fornicate, and that the Law against fornication would take away our freedom to do it.

So, I am puzzled by what you are saying that God's moral law is taking away your freedom. Are you really saying that you are free to do anything you like, including viewing child porn, going up to people and punching them in the face, beating up the members of your family, defacing buildings with graffiti, and not be subject to a penalty?

Or are you like me - quite free to drive my car anywhere I choose without any fear that something black and white on four wheels with a big red eye is not going to wail its siren behind me, because I know I am subject to the laws of the road, have a driver's licence, and my rego and warrant of fitness is up to date?

 

[Paul Christensen]

No penalty for sin?
In that case, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5 that their sins can land them in hell?

Why do you believe that Jesus died on the cross?
And, what is repentance and the forsaking of the works of the flesh?

 

[mjrhealth]

I think we are talking past each other and dealing with two separate issues. I don't depend on the Law to be saved, but by the grace of God through my faith in the finished work of Christ. Therefore, I no longer have the Law as an anvil on a rotten rope hanging over my head. I think that is what you are talking about.

But as converted believers, we no longer see the Law as limiting us because we, as David says, love God's Law and find it gives us freedom to choose to live by it, because we know that without holiness noone can see the Lord. We know that lawlessness is a work of the flesh, and so we are not a slave any longer to the words of the flesh, as we were before we were converted to Christ.

The problem with saying that the Law takes our freedom away, means that we can go and rape a child when we want to because we have the freedom to do it without penalty because we have faith in Christ. Or we have the freedom to shack up with a girlfriend and fornicate, and that the Law against fornication would take away our freedom to do it.

So, I am puzzled by what you are saying that God's moral law is taking away your freedom. Are you really saying that you are free to do anything you like, including viewing child porn, going up to people and punching them in the face, beating up the members of your family, defacing buildings with graffiti, and not be subject to a penalty?

Or are you like me - quite free to drive my car anywhere I choose without any fear that something black and white on four wheels with a big red eye is not going to wail its siren behind me, because I know I am subject to the laws of the road, have a driver's licence, and my rego and warrant of fitness is up to date?

If you choose to live by the law, than you choose to be condemned by them, you live by them you break one you are condemned, it is grace or law, which is it, you need to choose.

Puzzled, the devils not puzzled, hes keeping you in bondage.