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Nothing lives on, why do you think there is a resurrection? God is not going to put souls back into their original body, many have been consumed by other beings.

Resurrection IS expressly to RISE UP BODY’S.

Body’s that are damned, shall rise up in their original body, BY their unsaved Living Soul entering their original Body...
(Their body can not raise on it’s own...the body alone is VOID of it’s LIFE, ie BLOOD),
Once the unsaved Living soul enters the Body, THEN...can that BODY, eyes SEE....

TO FULFILL PROPHECY....
That body MUST SEE that Which God Provided mankind TO SEE.....Jesus! God in the LIKENESSES as A MAN.

It is the Son of Man that was SENT to Earth, From Heaven.
It was the Son of Man that RETURNED to Heaven.
It is the Son of Man that SHALL Return to Earth...

Every EYE shall SEE Him Coming WITH Clouds.
(Seeing is believing? How many men could not believe, because they could NOT SEE GOD?)

EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND and BOW unto Him, which is submissive WORSHIP.

THEN, shall the books (of evidence) be opened, and every man judged and sentenced.

The Saved are risen up by the Power of God, IN GLORIOUS, uncorrupted, holy bodies. Their Saved soul and Quickened (born again) spirits return to their Body’s, that THEY ALSO SHALL SEE the Son of man Coming. They ALSO Shall Bend and Bow, Worship Him, and be Judged and Sentenced (according to the books), THEIR GOOD works rewarded, THEIR “not good” works, burned.


Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

^^^ are you going to be coming WITH Him...or looking up wailing when you see Him?

Rom 14:
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Isa 45:
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

 

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No. The soul is not born again.




MAN-KIND of THING. 3 things that are ONE MAN individual man
~ body
~ soul
~ spirit

Each thing, is from a DIFFERENT source.

* MAN-KIND BODY -
~ CREATED- body, form, shape, flesh, natural, tangible,
~ SOURCE - dust of the Earth.
~ body LIFE - BLOOD
~ REQUIRED to DIE
~ DEATH physical, Blood stops flowing
~ RETURNS to dust
~ DEATH temporary, then RAISED IN Glory
~ DEATH spiritual, NOT WITH God.
~ DEATH temporary, then RAISED IN Damnation
~ DEATH permanent, BODY Destroyed.

MAN-KIND SOUL -
~ MADE - hearing, smell, touch, taste, seeing, word
~ SOURCE - Gods BREATH Blown INTO Formed Body nostrils
~ soul LIFE - Gods BREATH
~ DEATH spiritual, NOT WITH God.
~ DEATH permanent, SOUL Destroyed.
~ DEATH permanent, LIFE IN SOUL returns to God.
~ LIFE permanent, SOUL keeps Gods LIFE, ie. “Restored & Saved”.

MAN-KIND SPIRIT -
~ CREATED NATURAL- natural TRUTH IN a man’s HEART.
~ SOURCE - seeing, hearing, observing, OF OTHER MAN-KIND.
~ natural soul LIFE - BLOOD
~ DEATH - Blood stops flowing
~ POSSIBLE CIRCUMCISION WHILE ALIVE - Gods Works.
~ POSSIBLE NEW Spiritual Heart WHILE ALIVE - Gods Works
~ POSSIBLE Gods SPIRIT ENTERS IN man’s NEW HEART - Gods Works
~ POSSIBLE GOD SEED IN NEW HEART - Gods Works
~ SEED of God, BIRTHS NEW SPIRIT - Gods Works ie “Born Again”.
~ Gods SPIRIT “of TRUTH” FEEDS New Spirit of man - Gods Works
~ New Spirit of man FED...GODS TRUTH.
~ New Spirit of man CAN NEVER DIE.
~ New Spirit of man CAN NEVER BE AGAINST GOD, (ie SIN).
~ New Spirit of man HAS power to MAKE his MIND’s THOUGHTS, subservient to his NEW HEART’S THOUGHTS.
^^ CONVERTED IN Christ.

MAN-KIND BODY...physically Dies? Stinks, rots, buried in grave.
....(buried by men)
MAN-KIND Living Saved soul? Goes to Heaven WITH God..waits.
....(escorted to heaven by Gods holy angel servants)
MAN-KIND Born Again spirit? Goes to Heaven WITH God....waits.
....(spirit rises up to Gods hands)

~ Waits FOR WHAT? Gods PLAN to come into FRUITION...All people to be born that shall be ever born. God punishments, Tribulations UPON the Earth and it’s inhabitants. Death and Destruction.
Division, Separation, those WITH God from those WITHOUT God.
New Heavens, New Earth, Glorified Occupants.

Souls did not come from the dust of earth, nor return to the dust of the earth.

You simply misunderstand what a soul is sir. A being is a soul. A human is a soul, animals as well. Spirit begotten humans are the only things out of creation that are born again, and yes they are living souls.
 

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Resurrection IS expressly to RISE UP BODY’S.

Body’s that are damned, shall rise up in their original body, BY their unsaved Living Soul entering their original Body...
(Their body can not raise on it’s own...the body alone is VOID of it’s LIFE, ie BLOOD),
Once the unsaved Living soul enters the Body, THEN...can that BODY, eyes SEE....

TO FULFILL PROPHECY....
That body MUST SEE that Which God Provided mankind TO SEE.....Jesus! God in the LIKENESSES as A MAN.

It is the Son of Man that was SENT to Earth, From Heaven.
It was the Son of Man that RETURNED to Heaven.
It is the Son of Man that SHALL Return to Earth...

Every EYE shall SEE Him Coming WITH Clouds.
(Seeing is believing? How many men could not believe, because they could NOT SEE GOD?)

EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND and BOW unto Him, which is submissive WORSHIP.

THEN, shall the books (of evidence) be opened, and every man judged and sentenced.

The Saved are risen up by the Power of God, IN GLORIOUS, uncorrupted, holy bodies. Their Saved soul and Quickened (born again) spirits return to their Body’s, that THEY ALSO SHALL SEE the Son of man Coming. They ALSO Shall Bend and Bow, Worship Him, and be Judged and Sentenced (according to the books), THEIR GOOD works rewarded, THEIR “not good” works, burned.


Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

^^^ are you going to be coming WITH Him...or looking up wailing when you see Him?

Rom 14:
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Isa 45:
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

No sir, resurrected beings can be spirit beings in heaven, as well as having bodies for those who will reside on the earth.
 

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You simply misunderstand what a soul is sir. A being is a soul. A human is a soul, animals as well. Spirit begotten humans are the only things out of creation that are born again, and yes they are living souls.

Your Body is the CREATED person, of dust of the earth.
Body’s die and are buried, return to dust.

Your being MADE an ALIVE person, is via Gods act, via Gods Breath.

Thereafter that ONE mans body, and ONE mans living soul in him...
Is both called by the SAME ONE mans NAME.

YOU are apparently unaware...WHEN LIFE (which is BLOOD) of your body dies, the body is buried.

YOU are apparently unaware...THE LIFE of Gods BREATH in the soul, DOES NOT DIE, it departs the body.

Gods LIFE NEVER DIES. Hello.....LIFE IN THE SOUL IS GODS LIFE!

Every “SENSE” the body had while ALIVE...the hearing, the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, the touching, the speaking.....CONTINUES LIVING in the departed LIVING SOUL.

Perhaps you should READ Jesus’ TEACHING of the DEPARTED Living SOULS, departed out of dead and buried BODIES.
(Luke 16: 19-31)


The DEPARTED Living souls, ARE “IN HELL”...Seeing, speaking, hearing, smelling, touching....

Luke 16:
[19] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Are you familiar with Dead bodies? Living men bury dead bodies in graves....not hell!

[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

IN Hell...”he’ the rich man SAW...Abraham.
Really, was Abraham’s BODY buried IN HELL?
Scripture identifies where Abraham’s Dead body was buried in a CAVE. IS a Cave HELL?



[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

He (the rich man) uttered sound from his mouth.


[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

He (the rich man continues talking).


[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

WHO/WHAT exactly do you think is IN HELL, (while his body is dead and buried and knows nothing is rotting)....IS HAVING a conversation, speaking, seeing, feeling the torments of flame?

WHO/WHAT exactly do yo think is IN HELL, (while his body is dead and buried in a Cave and knows nothing, is rotting)....IS HAVING a conversation, speaking, seeing, and NOT in torments of discomfort?
 

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Your Body is the CREATED person, of dust of the earth.
Body’s die and are buried, return to dust.

Your being MADE an ALIVE person, is via Gods act, via Gods Breath.

Thereafter that ONE mans body, and ONE mans living soul in him...
Is both called by the SAME ONE mans NAME.

YOU are apparently unaware...WHEN LIFE (which is BLOOD) of your body dies, the body is buried.

YOU are apparently unaware...THE LIFE of Gods BREATH in the soul, DOES NOT DIE, it departs the body.

Gods LIFE NEVER DIES. Hello.....LIFE IN THE SOUL IS GODS LIFE!

Every “SENSE” the body had while ALIVE...the hearing, the seeing, the tasting, the smelling, the touching, the speaking.....CONTINUES LIVING in the departed LIVING SOUL.

Perhaps you should READ Jesus’ TEACHING of the DEPARTED Living SOULS, departed out of dead and buried BODIES.
(Luke 16: 19-31)


The DEPARTED Living souls, ARE “IN HELL”...Seeing, speaking, hearing, smelling, touching....

Luke 16:
[19] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Are you familiar with Dead bodies? Living men bury dead bodies in graves....not hell!

[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

IN Hell...”he’ the rich man SAW...Abraham.
Really, was Abraham’s BODY buried IN HELL?
Scripture identifies where Abraham’s Dead body was buried in a CAVE. IS a Cave HELL?



[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

He (the rich man) uttered sound from his mouth.


[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

He (the rich man continues talking).


[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

WHO/WHAT exactly do you think is IN HELL, (while his body is dead and buried and knows nothing is rotting)....IS HAVING a conversation, speaking, seeing, feeling the torments of flame?

WHO/WHAT exactly do yo think is IN HELL, (while his body is dead and buried in a Cave and knows nothing, is rotting)....IS HAVING a conversation, speaking, seeing, and NOT in torments of discomfort?

You do understand the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus is not literal correct? Would you like to discuss what it stands for Taken?
 

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You do understand the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus is not literal correct?

Adamantly Disagree.

Would you like to discuss what it stands for Taken?

Sure. I will lay the ground work...That parable is directly out of the mouth of Jesus, the speaker.

So, you go ahead from there. Explain Jesus opening His mouth, Jesus’ standing, Jesus’ speaking what is NOT TRUE, NOT CORRECT.
 

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Adamantly Disagree.



Sure. I will lay the ground work...That parable is directly out of the mouth of Jesus, the speaker.

So, you go ahead from there. Explain Jesus opening His mouth, Jesus’ standing, Jesus’ speaking what is NOT TRUE, NOT CORRECT.

If Abraham was in heaven, why did Jesus have to die? A parable is an illustration Taken.