Are you prepared?

[Robert Gwin]

Shocking yes.
I do find it interesting, that some clerics and followers thereof seem to think themselves “guarded”, sort of playing the sitting on the fence...
Believe, eh BUT still sin.
Like the God “concept”, but too much “goodie, goodie” required.
Like the good...BUT...so many choices that isn’t so “goodie”, but entertaining, fun.
Don’t want to make a “choice”....’till maybe Later, when OLDER, and nothing of the latest and greatest new worldly things to TRY.
( You know, the guy who is always disappointed today, and tomorrows dreams is always where his sights are set...?)

Teeny weeny problem...Those who MAKE NO CHOICE...ARE carte’ blanch AGAINST GOD.
There is no fence sitting. One is either WITH God or AGAINST God.
Period.

Yes Taken you are so very accurate on this. There are only 2 real Gods and the default god is satan. You have to actively choose to serve Jehovah, and those who have chosen not to take a stand for Him, literally side with satan by proxy. It doesn't seem right, but that is what the Bible really teaches.

 

[Taken]

Hell isn't really a good word to use in translation, although many versions include it, which leads to much confusion. Hell is translated from the Hebrew words Sheol, and Gehinnom, and the Greek word Hades, and the same versions use different words in English for those words. For example the King James version of the Bible translates Sheol 31x as grave, 31x as hell, and 3x as pit. Since the definition of Sheol is the abode of the dead, the term grave is the most accurate rendering. Since there is no consciousness in death, and for the most part people are buried in a grave and are awaiting a resurrection. Interestingly the KJV states that hell will be emptied (when all in it are resurrected) and then no longer being necessary will be cast into the lake of fire gone forever Rev 20:13,14

English translation obviously was much later than Aramaic and Greek and so also was understanding.

Early on ancient men knew the living soul departed a dying/dead body, and the dead body was disposed of, ie; burned, buried in ground, buried in a cave...
Sheol, place of the dead/ ie Hades, place of the dead, to me is simply a cemetery, burial plots, graves, OF BODY’S and has nothing to do with departed Living souls, Unsaved in Hell, or Saved in Heaven.

Regarding Gehenna, derived from the real atrocities that occurred in the Valley of Hinnom, a garbage dumping ground outside of Jerusalem and a historical place of children be burned sacrificed alive, the stench, the screams being of the imaginations of what hell might be akin to.

The PIT of Hell, describes a deeper area of Hell, as does the GULF describe a Divisional part of Hell.

 

[Taken]

Yes Taken you are so very accurate on this. There are only 2 real Gods

Not sure what you mean by “2 real God(S)” ?
Expound?

and the default god is satan. You have to actively choose to serve Jehovah, and those who have chosen not to take a stand for Him, literally side with satan by proxy. It doesn't seem right, but that is what the Bible really teaches.

There is no doubt “Lucifer was created with a sumpin, sumpin, to a degree above some of the other angels”....ie Holy, Beautiful, Great Powers, Musically Talented, Persuasive. A stand out shinning star, so to speak.
When he defied God and was cast out and down from his First Estate, (Heaven), (name and descriptive attributes changed), nothing indicates, he lost his Power or Beauty or Persuasive abilities.

Bummer for Earthly men, since men are so impressed by Power, Beauty and so easily persuaded, and exponentially so, in a child’s view, (the weakest link of the human race.)

 

[Robert Gwin]

English translation obviously was much later than Aramaic and Greek and so also was understanding.

Early on ancient men knew the living soul departed a dying/dead body, and the dead body was disposed of, ie; burned, buried in ground, buried in a cave...
Sheol, place of the dead/ ie Hades, place of the dead, to me is simply a cemetery, burial plots, graves, OF BODY’S and has nothing to do with departed Living souls, Unsaved in Hell, or Saved in Heaven.

Regarding Gehenna, derived from the real atrocities that occurred in the Valley of Hinnom, a garbage dumping ground outside of Jerusalem and a historical place of children be burned sacrificed alive, the stench, the screams being of the imaginations of what hell might be akin to.

The PIT of Hell, describes a deeper area of Hell, as does the GULF describe a Divisional part of Hell.

You have a pretty good grasp on it Taken, cept Pit, sheol is sheol no matter what word you attribute to it, so William being called Willie or Billy, or Bill etc, is still William. Although salvation is still at least a thousand years away for those in hell, there is no unsaved ones there, as every single individual in hell will receive a resurrection Rev 20:13, I hope you will rejoice in learning that as I did. That means you will get to see all your dead loved ones again, unless of course you or they sinned against the holy spirit in which there is no redemption.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Not sure what you mean by “2 real God(S)” ?
Expound?



There is no doubt “Lucifer was created with a sumpin, sumpin, to a degree above some of the other angels”....ie Holy, Beautiful, Great Powers, Musically Talented, Persuasive. A stand out shinning star, so to speak.
When he defied God and was cast out and down from his First Estate, (Heaven), (name and descriptive attributes changed), nothing indicates, he lost his Power or Beauty or Persuasive abilities.

Bummer for Earthly men, since men are so impressed by Power, Beauty and so easily persuaded, and exponentially so, in a child’s view, (the weakest link of the human race.)

The Bible teaches there are many gods true, but most are fictitious, or gods made of wood and stone. In the reality your allegiance goes either to Jehovah or satan as I stated rather clearly. Those who choose to side with Jehovah will be granted everlasting life, the gift that God gives, those who do not choose to stand on His side, automatically will receive the judgment with satan the lake of fire whether they actively serve him or not. Only two roads that represent those 2 Gods sir.

I agree that lucifer seems to be an outstanding one among the angels, I do not fully understand rank structure in heaven, but I believe that you are correct. Early in the book of Job we see that angels have stations before God's throne. God is organized for sure, and the coming Kingdom of His is very similar to what we have as governments in the way they are ran.

 

[MatthewG]

The Bible teaches there are many gods true, but most are fictitious, or gods made of wood and stone. In the reality your allegiance goes either to Jehovah or satan as I stated rather clearly. Those who choose to side with Jehovah will be granted everlasting life, the gift that God gives, those who do not choose to stand on His side, automatically will receive the judgment with satan the lake of fire whether they actively serve him or not. Only two roads that represent those 2 Gods sir.

I agree that lucifer seems to be an outstanding one among the angels, I do not fully understand rank structure in heaven, but I believe that you are correct. Early in the book of Job we see that angels have stations before God's throne. God is organized for sure, and the coming Kingdom of His is very similar to what we have as governments in the way they are ran.

Robert, Where is everlasting life found?

 

[Taken]

You have a pretty good grasp on it Taken, cept Pit, sheol is sheol.

Sheol is Sheol is like saying hot is hot.
What do you mean when you say Sheol?

Cept Pit...what do you mean?

Although salvation is still at least a thousand years away for those in hell, there is no unsaved ones there,

What do you mean there are no unsaved “ones” in hell?
What do you think is in hell?

as every single individual in hell will receive a resurrection Rev 20:13,

What exactly is in hell?
Rev 20:13 is about judgement for works.

I hope you will rejoice in learning that as I did.

If this is what you have learned, it is vague.
Please expound on your points.

 

[Taken]

The Bible teaches there are many gods true, but most are fictitious, or gods made of wood and stone. In the reality your allegiance goes either to Jehovah or satan as I stated rather clearly. Those who choose to side with Jehovah will be granted everlasting life, the gift that God gives, those who do not choose to stand on His side, automatically will receive the judgment with satan the lake of fire whether they actively serve him or not. Only two roads that represent those 2 Gods sir.

I agree that lucifer seems to be an outstanding one among the angels, I do not fully understand rank structure in heaven, but I believe that you are correct. Early in the book of Job we see that angels have stations before God's throne. God is organized for sure, and the coming Kingdom of His is very similar to what we have as governments in the way they are ran.

Two Gods, you are then speaking of:
~ God the creator and maker.
~ satan poser god
?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Robert, Where is everlasting life found?

It is a teaching found in the Bible Matt. Of course you already knew that. That reminded me of a question Jesus asked his disciples, and Peters answer sir. Jesus gave a talk to some who did not understand the message, and many walked out just as fast as I and many others walked out at a George Carlen show, so Jesus asked Peter do you want to leave also? And Peter said: (John 6:68) . . .“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.

Bet you had that passage in mind as well Matt.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Sheol is Sheol is like saying hot is hot.
What do you mean when you say Sheol?

Cept Pit...what do you mean?



What do you mean there are no unsaved “ones” in hell?
What do you think is in hell?



What exactly is in hell?
Rev 20:13 is about judgement for works.



If this is what you have learned, it is vague.
Please expound on your points.

Sheol is Sheol is like saying hot is hot.
What do you mean when you say Sheol?

Cept Pit...what do you mean?

Exactly! Sheol is sheol, hot is hot, cold is cold. Many versions of the Bible translate Sheol into 3 words hell, grave, and pit, all the same exact thing. When the Bible uses the word Sheol, it means the abode of the dead.


What do you mean there are no unsaved “ones” in hell?
What do you think is in hell?

None in hell are either saved or unsaved, salvation for them will not happen until their resurrection. 2nd question answered in next post, since you asked twice.

What exactly is in hell?
Rev 20:13 is about judgement for works.

All individuals who have died, and that have not been resurrected are in hell, since hell will be emptied, every single one will have the opportunity for salvation.

Revelation 20:13 states very clearly that all those in hell will be taken out of hell. You realize there will be a resurrection correct? Jn 5:28,29 Perhaps you are unaware of what the term gives up their dead in them means, or delivered up the dead.


If this is what you have learned, it is vague.
Please expound on your points.[/QUOTE]

To summarize it hell is simply the grave, everyone who dies goes there as did Jesus when he died, everyone who gets resurrected gets out of it as they are no longer dead. After all are resurrected and everlasting life is the norm, there will be no more need for a place for the dead, as no one will die. The truth is hell is basically non existent, other than being a grave, it is really about those in God's memory in which He will bring back to life. Since the dead know nothing, there is no torture going on in hell like many portray.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Two Gods, you are then speaking of:
~ God the creator and maker.
~ satan poser god
?

Yes sir, exactly. In the judgment, you will either gain everlasting life by standing with God, or destruction with the other god. Keep in mind, it is our choice. Seems like a no brainer, but sadly many will choose death over life.

 

[Taken]

Sheol is Sheol is like saying hot is hot.
What do you mean when you say Sheol?

Cept Pit...what do you mean?

Exactly! Sheol is sheol, hot is hot, cold is cold. Many versions of the Bible translate Sheol into 3 words hell, grave, and pit, all the same exact thing. When the Bible uses the word Sheol, it means the abode of the dead.


What do you mean there are no unsaved “ones” in hell?
What do you think is in hell?

None in hell are either saved or unsaved, salvation for them will not happen until their resurrection. 2nd question answered in next post, since you asked twice.

What exactly is in hell?
Rev 20:13 is about judgement for works.

All individuals who have died, and that have not been resurrected are in hell, since hell will be emptied, every single one will have the opportunity for salvation.

Revelation 20:13 states very clearly that all those in hell will be taken out of hell. You realize there will be a resurrection correct? Jn 5:28,29 Perhaps you are unaware of what the term gives up their dead in them means, or delivered up the dead.


If this is what you have learned, it is vague.
Please expound on your points.

To summarize it hell is simply the grave, everyone who dies goes there as did Jesus when he died, everyone who gets resurrected gets out of it as they are no longer dead. After all are resurrected and everlasting life is the norm, there will be no more need for a place for the dead, as no one will die. The truth is hell is basically non existent, other than being a grave, it is really about those in God's memory in which He will bring back to life. Since the dead know nothing, there is no torture going on in hell like many portray.[/QUOTE]

Okay, thank you.
Sheol, meaning; “place of the dead” agree.

In “context” of specific Scripture where that term “Sheol” is used;
Determines intent...Grave, Hell, Pit.

Where you use “individuals”, I believe it is “More Specific”.
Regarding “ONE” individual, YES.
Regarding “the Parts, so to speak “OF ONE” individual. YES.
...BODIES, SOULS, SPIRITS...

Grave IS a specific PLACE, to where ALL Dead BODIES “go”, “are Put”.
(Call by many specific descriptions;
Caves, 6ft under the earth, plot, burial ground, cemetery, crypt, pyramids, vaults, mausoleums, etc. all regarding a DEAD BODY.)

Hell IS specific PLACE, to where ALL LIVING SOULS departed out OF DEAD BODIES,
“WENT”....from ancient days, TO a specific POINT IN TIME...

Hell WAS revealed as DEEP IN the EARTH. And that a great gulf waters DIVIDED, Saved Living souls.....FROM....Unsaved Living souls.
Saved Living souls.......were in comfort, with Gods LIFE Presence.
UnSaved Living souls...were/are in distress, without Gods LIFE Presence
(Gods LIFE sustaining Presence, BEING, “The Tree of Life”.)

The Specific POINT IN TIME, of CHANGE, regarding “SAVED Living souls”....OCCURRED AFTER, Jesus was on Earth, Jesus’ body was killed, Jesus’ BODY was buried in an “unused Cave, prepared for a Priests buried”, Jesus’ Living SOUL went to HELL, Jesus’ Living SOUL returned to His Body, He walked about for 40 days, Speaking, Being Seen by men, Then His Body, Soul, Spirit, Rose UP, last seen by witnesses entering the Clouds of Heaven.

ThereAFTER, ALL departed SAV-ED Living souls, OF Dead BODIES,
Rise UP, to Heaven, “WHERE”, (Gods LIFE sustaining Presence IS, BEING, “The Tree of Life”, IS currently NOW.)

(Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, notifies us OF Gods Presence.
Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, is in short, CALLED “PARADISE”.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Garden of Eden.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Comfort side of Hell.
Gods Tree of Life...IS currently in Heaven.
Gods Tree of Life...SHALL Again BE on Earth.)

Living souls IN a man, can, are, Foretold, How and When they “individually” may, shall be, are SAVED.
* The LITERAL SAVING of a mans Living Soul, IS ALWAYS, Via Gods Works....AND ALWAYS AFTER a BODILY DEATH.

Every Living soul, (IN or OUT of its BODY) IS either, WITH or WITHOUT God.

WITH God, is Spiritually called ALIVE, (to God).
WITHOUT God, is Spiritually called DEAD, (to God).
(Bodily alive men with their living souls within them, NOT WITH God, are Spiritually DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men WITHOUT God, are DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men, whose departed Living soul, was WITHOUT God, “his living departed soul”, IS still “without” God, Dead to God.)

Point being....DEAD, DEATH, has PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL meanings.
Point being....Speaking of DEAD, DEATH, in Scripture, requires knowing the CONTEXT of Physical or Spiritual.
(Ie such as the TERM; Sheol...CONTEXT)

BEFORE Jesus arrived ON Earth...
A man’s ONLY OPTION, “WAS” to receive his Living SOULS SALVATION, AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH.
(HOW and WHY a man (BEFORE Jesus) WOULD receive Salvation of his Living soul...
Was expressly taught, By, Through, Of, men Knowing Gods Word, Commands, revealed to man, By Through, Of, visions; Men speaking, teaching the visions; Via Gods Word, Direction, To Verbally Teach others, To Repeatedly Rehearse in the ears of people, of new people (children), To Write, To Distribute among the people, To Protect the writings, To rewrite if confiscated, stolen, destroyed.)
These Writings; in short called inclusively; THE LAW.
These Writings; BY Divisions within the LAWS called:
* Precepts, Statutes, Laws.
(Knowing the differences, applicabilities, consequences (positive or negative) between precepts, statutes, Laws WAS of UTMOST importance during the days of Ancient men....
(And in this DAY, pfff, most have no clue, or consideration of such things, let alone, their differences.)

AFTER Jesus’ arrival ON Earth, His Accomplished works, AND His Return to Heaven....
A man’s OPTION, TO RECEIVE his Living souls SALVATION “BROADENED” exponentially, via A NEW BETTER TESTAMENT, given ALL men.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

LOOK at THAT ^.
* A better testament.
* An ASSURANCE to receive Salvation!

What a mysterious, phenomenal, wonderfully curious statement in ALL of Scripture!

Confess your True Heartful Belief, willingly give your life a living sacrifice of death, crucified with Jesus...and Your Salvation is THEN accounted accomplished, Once and Forever you shall always Be WITH the Lord God and He always Be WITH you.
(A mans Service...not a Works). Never will that individual be Appointed to Gods Wrath.

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Robert Gwin]

To summarize it hell is simply the grave, everyone who dies goes there as did Jesus when he died, everyone who gets resurrected gets out of it as they are no longer dead. After all are resurrected and everlasting life is the norm, there will be no more need for a place for the dead, as no one will die. The truth is hell is basically non existent, other than being a grave, it is really about those in God's memory in which He will bring back to life. Since the dead know nothing, there is no torture going on in hell like many portray.

Okay, thank you.
Sheol, meaning; “place of the dead” agree.

In “context” of specific Scripture where that term “Sheol” is used;
Determines intent...Grave, Hell, Pit.

Where you use “individuals”, I believe it is “More Specific”.
Regarding “ONE” individual, YES.
Regarding “the Parts, so to speak “OF ONE” individual. YES.
...BODIES, SOULS, SPIRITS...

Grave IS a specific PLACE, to where ALL Dead BODIES “go”, “are Put”.
(Call by many specific descriptions;
Caves, 6ft under the earth, plot, burial ground, cemetery, crypt, pyramids, vaults, mausoleums, etc. all regarding a DEAD BODY.)

Hell IS specific PLACE, to where ALL LIVING SOULS departed out OF DEAD BODIES,
“WENT”....from ancient days, TO a specific POINT IN TIME...

Hell WAS revealed as DEEP IN the EARTH. And that a great gulf waters DIVIDED, Saved Living souls.....FROM....Unsaved Living souls.
Saved Living souls.......were in comfort, with Gods LIFE Presence.
UnSaved Living souls...were/are in distress, without Gods LIFE Presence
(Gods LIFE sustaining Presence, BEING, “The Tree of Life”.)

The Specific POINT IN TIME, of CHANGE, regarding “SAVED Living souls”....OCCURRED AFTER, Jesus was on Earth, Jesus’ body was killed, Jesus’ BODY was buried in an “unused Cave, prepared for a Priests buried”, Jesus’ Living SOUL went to HELL, Jesus’ Living SOUL returned to His Body, He walked about for 40 days, Speaking, Being Seen by men, Then His Body, Soul, Spirit, Rose UP, last seen by witnesses entering the Clouds of Heaven.

ThereAFTER, ALL departed SAV-ED Living souls, OF Dead BODIES,
Rise UP, to Heaven, “WHERE”, (Gods LIFE sustaining Presence IS, BEING, “The Tree of Life”, IS currently NOW.)

(Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, notifies us OF Gods Presence.
Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, is in short, CALLED “PARADISE”.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Garden of Eden.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Comfort side of Hell.
Gods Tree of Life...IS currently in Heaven.
Gods Tree of Life...SHALL Again BE on Earth.)

Living souls IN a man, can, are, Foretold, How and When they “individually” may, shall be, are SAVED.
* The LITERAL SAVING of a mans Living Soul, IS ALWAYS, Via Gods Works....AND ALWAYS AFTER a BODILY DEATH.

Every Living soul, (IN or OUT of its BODY) IS either, WITH or WITHOUT God.

WITH God, is Spiritually called ALIVE, (to God).
WITHOUT God, is Spiritually called DEAD, (to God).
(Bodily alive men with their living souls within them, NOT WITH God, are Spiritually DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men WITHOUT God, are DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men, whose departed Living soul, was WITHOUT God, “his living departed soul”, IS still “without” God, Dead to God.)

Point being....DEAD, DEATH, has PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL meanings.
Point being....Speaking of DEAD, DEATH, in Scripture, requires knowing the CONTEXT of Physical or Spiritual.
(Ie such as the TERM; Sheol...CONTEXT)

BEFORE Jesus arrived ON Earth...
A man’s ONLY OPTION, “WAS” to receive his Living SOULS SALVATION, AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH.
(HOW and WHY a man (BEFORE Jesus) WOULD receive Salvation of his Living soul...
Was expressly taught, By, Through, Of, men Knowing Gods Word, Commands, revealed to man, By Through, Of, visions; Men speaking, teaching the visions; Via Gods Word, Direction, To Verbally Teach others, To Repeatedly Rehearse in the ears of people, of new people (children), To Write, To Distribute among the people, To Protect the writings, To rewrite if confiscated, stolen, destroyed.)
These Writings; in short called inclusively; THE LAW.
These Writings; BY Divisions within the LAWS called:
* Precepts, Statutes, Laws.
(Knowing the differences, applicabilities, consequences (positive or negative) between precepts, statutes, Laws WAS of UTMOST importance during the days of Ancient men....
(And in this DAY, pfff, most have no clue, or consideration of such things, let alone, their differences.)

AFTER Jesus’ arrival ON Earth, His Accomplished works, AND His Return to Heaven....
A man’s OPTION, TO RECEIVE his Living souls SALVATION “BROADENED” exponentially, via A NEW BETTER TESTAMENT, given ALL men.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

LOOK at THAT ^.
* A better testament.
* An ASSURANCE to receive Salvation!

What a mysterious, phenomenal, wonderfully curious statement in ALL of Scripture!

Confess your True Heartful Belief, willingly give your life a living sacrifice of death, crucified with Jesus...and Your Salvation is THEN accounted accomplished, Once and Forever you shall always Be WITH the Lord God and He always Be WITH you.
(A mans Service...not a Works). Never will that individual be Appointed to Gods Wrath.

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

Glory to God,
Taken

[/QUOTE]

You complicate it too much sir, simply put all who die go to Sheol, just like God told them they would from the start, dust they are and dust they return, nothing is left and their only hope is the resurrection. A person is a person, the Bible doesn't itemize parts such as body, soul, and spirit going different places, when you die you simply go to the grave. Hell, grave, pit are exactly the same thing, no difference no matter what the translator was trying to imply, if anything. It is the abode of the dead, in which you agreed with, that is all it is sir.

 

[Taken]

Okay, thank you.
Sheol, meaning; “place of the dead” agree.

In “context” of specific Scripture where that term “Sheol” is used;
Determines intent...Grave, Hell, Pit.

Where you use “individuals”, I believe it is “More Specific”.
Regarding “ONE” individual, YES.
Regarding “the Parts, so to speak “OF ONE” individual. YES.
...BODIES, SOULS, SPIRITS...

Grave IS a specific PLACE, to where ALL Dead BODIES “go”, “are Put”.
(Call by many specific descriptions;
Caves, 6ft under the earth, plot, burial ground, cemetery, crypt, pyramids, vaults, mausoleums, etc. all regarding a DEAD BODY.)

Hell IS specific PLACE, to where ALL LIVING SOULS departed out OF DEAD BODIES,
“WENT”....from ancient days, TO a specific POINT IN TIME...

Hell WAS revealed as DEEP IN the EARTH. And that a great gulf waters DIVIDED, Saved Living souls.....FROM....Unsaved Living souls.
Saved Living souls.......were in comfort, with Gods LIFE Presence.
UnSaved Living souls...were/are in distress, without Gods LIFE Presence
(Gods LIFE sustaining Presence, BEING, “The Tree of Life”.)

The Specific POINT IN TIME, of CHANGE, regarding “SAVED Living souls”....OCCURRED AFTER, Jesus was on Earth, Jesus’ body was killed, Jesus’ BODY was buried in an “unused Cave, prepared for a Priests buried”, Jesus’ Living SOUL went to HELL, Jesus’ Living SOUL returned to His Body, He walked about for 40 days, Speaking, Being Seen by men, Then His Body, Soul, Spirit, Rose UP, last seen by witnesses entering the Clouds of Heaven.

ThereAFTER, ALL departed SAV-ED Living souls, OF Dead BODIES,
Rise UP, to Heaven, “WHERE”, (Gods LIFE sustaining Presence IS, BEING, “The Tree of Life”, IS currently NOW.)

(Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, notifies us OF Gods Presence.
Where Gods “Tree of Life” IS, is in short, CALLED “PARADISE”.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Garden of Eden.
Gods Tree of Life...WAS in the Comfort side of Hell.
Gods Tree of Life...IS currently in Heaven.
Gods Tree of Life...SHALL Again BE on Earth.)

Living souls IN a man, can, are, Foretold, How and When they “individually” may, shall be, are SAVED.
* The LITERAL SAVING of a mans Living Soul, IS ALWAYS, Via Gods Works....AND ALWAYS AFTER a BODILY DEATH.

Every Living soul, (IN or OUT of its BODY) IS either, WITH or WITHOUT God.

WITH God, is Spiritually called ALIVE, (to God).
WITHOUT God, is Spiritually called DEAD, (to God).
(Bodily alive men with their living souls within them, NOT WITH God, are Spiritually DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men WITHOUT God, are DEAD to God.
Bodily dead men, whose departed Living soul, was WITHOUT God, “his living departed soul”, IS still “without” God, Dead to God.)

Point being....DEAD, DEATH, has PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL meanings.
Point being....Speaking of DEAD, DEATH, in Scripture, requires knowing the CONTEXT of Physical or Spiritual.
(Ie such as the TERM; Sheol...CONTEXT)

BEFORE Jesus arrived ON Earth...
A man’s ONLY OPTION, “WAS” to receive his Living SOULS SALVATION, AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH.
(HOW and WHY a man (BEFORE Jesus) WOULD receive Salvation of his Living soul...
Was expressly taught, By, Through, Of, men Knowing Gods Word, Commands, revealed to man, By Through, Of, visions; Men speaking, teaching the visions; Via Gods Word, Direction, To Verbally Teach others, To Repeatedly Rehearse in the ears of people, of new people (children), To Write, To Distribute among the people, To Protect the writings, To rewrite if confiscated, stolen, destroyed.)
These Writings; in short called inclusively; THE LAW.
These Writings; BY Divisions within the LAWS called:
* Precepts, Statutes, Laws.
(Knowing the differences, applicabilities, consequences (positive or negative) between precepts, statutes, Laws WAS of UTMOST importance during the days of Ancient men....
(And in this DAY, pfff, most have no clue, or consideration of such things, let alone, their differences.)

AFTER Jesus’ arrival ON Earth, His Accomplished works, AND His Return to Heaven....
A man’s OPTION, TO RECEIVE his Living souls SALVATION “BROADENED” exponentially, via A NEW BETTER TESTAMENT, given ALL men.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

LOOK at THAT ^.
* A better testament.
* An ASSURANCE to receive Salvation!

What a mysterious, phenomenal, wonderfully curious statement in ALL of Scripture!

Confess your True Heartful Belief, willingly give your life a living sacrifice of death, crucified with Jesus...and Your Salvation is THEN accounted accomplished, Once and Forever you shall always Be WITH the Lord God and He always Be WITH you.
(A mans Service...not a Works). Never will that individual be Appointed to Gods Wrath.

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ...

Glory to God,
Taken

You complicate it too much sir, simply put all who die go to Sheol, just like God told them they would from the start, dust they are and dust they return, nothing is left and their only hope is the resurrection. A person is a person, the Bible doesn't itemize parts such as body, soul, and spirit going different places, when you die you simply go to the grave. Hell, grave, pit are exactly the same thing, no difference no matter what the translator was trying to imply, if anything. It is the abode of the dead, in which you agreed with, that is all it is sir.[/QUOTE]

I don’t complicate it, I simply recognize the express words for what they mean.

Hell, grave, pit, are NOT exactly the same thing.
Body’s do not Go to Hell.
Soul’s do not Go to the Grave.
Pit reveals a bottomless space, plenty of room!
Dead in context is each physical and spiritual.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You complicate it too much sir, simply put all who die go to Sheol, just like God told them they would from the start, dust they are and dust they return, nothing is left and their only hope is the resurrection. A person is a person, the Bible doesn't itemize parts such as body, soul, and spirit going different places, when you die you simply go to the grave. Hell, grave, pit are exactly the same thing, no difference no matter what the translator was trying to imply, if anything. It is the abode of the dead, in which you agreed with, that is all it is sir.

I don’t complicate it, I simply recognize the express words for what they mean.

Hell, grave, pit, are NOT exactly the same thing.
Body’s do not Go to Hell.
Soul’s do not Go to the Grave.
Pit reveals a bottomless space, plenty of room!
Dead in context is each physical and spiritual.[/QUOTE]

Same word, same meaning, it is ashamed that translators chose to complicate understanding by using different words. I will say one last time, Sheol is simply a spot in God's memory Jn 5:28,29, all those in Sheol, which is the same as Hades in the Greek section of the Bible Ps 16:10; Acts 2:31, and defined as the abode of the dead. When all those in God's memory are resurrected, hell will be emptied Rev 20:13, and since there will be no more inherited death, it is no longer needed so it is cast into the lake of fire to be permanently gone, as it's counterpart death is as well v14. Makes perfect sense if you meditate on it. Pray to understand it, and research every verse where Sheol and Hades occurs seeing how it applies.

Do more research on what a soul is as well, every non plant life is referred to as a soul sir.

 

[Taken]

I don’t complicate it, I simply recognize the express words for what they mean.

Hell, grave, pit, are NOT exactly the same thing.
Body’s do not Go to Hell.
Soul’s do not Go to the Grave.
Pit reveals a bottomless space, plenty of room!
Dead in context is each physical and spiritual.

Same word, same meaning, it is ashamed that translators chose to complicate understanding by using different words. I will say one last time, Sheol is simply a spot in God's memory Jn 5:28,29, all those in Sheol, which is the same as Hades in the Greek section of the Bible Ps 16:10; Acts 2:31, and defined as the abode of the dead. When all those in God's memory are resurrected, hell will be emptied Rev 20:13, and since there will be no more inherited death, it is no longer needed so it is cast into the lake of fire to be permanently gone, as it's counterpart death is as well v14. Makes perfect sense if you meditate on it. Pray to understand it, and research every verse where Sheol and Hades occurs seeing how it applies.

Do more research on what a soul is as well, every non plant life is referred to as a soul sir.[/QUOTE]

Adobe of the dead? Dead what?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground Sanctified to be raised in glory?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground, not Sanctified to be raised in damnation?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s saved WITH God, kept on one side of the gulf in hell?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s not saved, withOUT God, kept on another side of the gulf in hell?

You seem to not realize:
* dead bodies can be buried anywhere a MAN buries the stinking, rotting, dead body.
* Living souls depart dead bodies, By Gods POWER, and are kept in SEPARATED places, By God, ACCORDING TO, “IF” the living soul IS SAVED WITH GOD, or unsaved and DEAD TO GOD, withOUT God.

So, Why do you think SEPARATED (saved or unsaved), departed Living souls, were Historically KEPT in the SAME PLACE?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Same word, same meaning, it is ashamed that translators chose to complicate understanding by using different words. I will say one last time, Sheol is simply a spot in God's memory Jn 5:28,29, all those in Sheol, which is the same as Hades in the Greek section of the Bible Ps 16:10; Acts 2:31, and defined as the abode of the dead. When all those in God's memory are resurrected, hell will be emptied Rev 20:13, and since there will be no more inherited death, it is no longer needed so it is cast into the lake of fire to be permanently gone, as it's counterpart death is as well v14. Makes perfect sense if you meditate on it. Pray to understand it, and research every verse where Sheol and Hades occurs seeing how it applies.

Do more research on what a soul is as well, every non plant life is referred to as a soul sir.

Adobe of the dead? Dead what?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground Sanctified to be raised in glory?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground, not Sanctified to be raised in damnation?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s saved WITH God, kept on one side of the gulf in hell?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s not saved, withOUT God, kept on another side of the gulf in hell?

You seem to not realize:
* dead bodies can be buried anywhere a MAN buries the stinking, rotting, dead body.
* Living souls depart dead bodies, By Gods POWER, and are kept in SEPARATED places, By God, ACCORDING TO, “IF” the living soul IS SAVED WITH GOD, or unsaved and DEAD TO GOD, withOUT God.

So, Why do you think SEPARATED (saved or unsaved), departed Living souls, were Historically KEPT in the SAME PLACE?[/QUOTE]

Living souls depart the body? Might you give scriptural evidence on that please. The Bible states quite the opposite.

 

[Taken]

Adobe of the dead? Dead what?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground Sanctified to be raised in glory?
* Physical dead body’s buried in the ground, not Sanctified to be raised in damnation?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s saved WITH God, kept on one side of the gulf in hell?
* Living souls departed out of dead body’s not saved, withOUT God, kept on another side of the gulf in hell?

You seem to not realize:
* dead bodies can be buried anywhere a MAN buries the stinking, rotting, dead body.
* Living souls depart dead bodies, By Gods POWER, and are kept in SEPARATED places, By God, ACCORDING TO, “IF” the living soul IS SAVED WITH GOD, or unsaved and DEAD TO GOD, withOUT God.

So, Why do you think SEPARATED (saved or unsaved), departed Living souls, were Historically KEPT in the SAME PLACE?

Living souls depart the body? Might you give scriptural evidence on that please. The Bible states quite the opposite.[/QUOTE]

Begin with the beginning.
Form, God called a man.
God blows His Breath INTO the Form,
The Formed man is now A Living Formed man.
The Formed man Begins its independent natural life.
* The Parts of the Formed man begin independently functioning.
* ie the senses... ears hear, eyes see, nose smells, mouth makes sounds, skin feels touch.

Adam and Eve were unique, void of a natural womb birth.
Thereafter Humans bodily form in a womb, DEPENDENT on the mother’s life, ie THE Blood LIFE of the mother, separated via the placenta.

Life of a human man is his BLOOD...
Every mans LIFE (Blood) God requires.
(All appointed to Die, once, remember?)

Gen 9
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


Once a human is born from the womb, God blows His breath into the nostrils of babe....The ears hear, eyes see, nose sneaks, mouth makes sounds, skin feels touch.....receiving of Their SOUL...Gods Breath of Life

All souls belong to God.
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The Life IN all Souls, IS Gods Breath.
The Soul itself is a mysterious THING. A vessel of some sort that holds Gods Breath?
...a Soul can die? What is Death of a Spiritual thing?
...We know God is the Creator AND Maker of all things.

Isa 57
[16] For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Spiritual things never die...
But MADE things do die...body’s, souls.
MADE things can be Destroyed...ie
Body’s, souls, earth.

Isa 43:
[7] Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isa.45
[12] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Matt 10
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

~ body, soul, spirit are three different things.
~ they are joined in one man at three different times.
~ they can be divided or separated one from the other at different times
~ they are each together the WHOLE of one MAN.

When a body dies...it rots, stinks, is buried, to cover the stink, and continue rotting, returning to dust of the earth.

When the body is DYING...the “living soul” departs out of the body...
AND goes “somewhere”....
Where it is “SENT”...or where it is “ESCORTED”...depends on “IF” that departed living soul is “SAVED” or “NOT SAVED”.

Any soul separated from God is CALL DEAD.
(Because Death IS a separation from God.)
Living souls IN a living body, separated from God, is called dead.
Living souls OUT of a living body, separated from God is called dead.
Living souls OUT of a living body, WITH God, is not called SAVED.
Living souls IN a living body, WITH God, is called dead.
Living souls IN a living body, that GOD SPIRIT IS IN THAT men, that soul is called SAVED.

One mans, formed body, living soul, spirit, is all called by that man’s ONE NAME. All are possessive of that ONE individual man, as my, I, me, mine...

Read Gen chapter 35;
Many important things are revealed in that Chapter.
ISRAEL, deaths, births, travel, burials, land, grave, promises...

Jacob, now Israel, wife Rachel dies in labor.
Her body is buried.
And her SOUL?
Gen 35:
[18] And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin.
[19] And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.
[20] And Jacob set a pillar upon her grave: that is the pillar of Rachel's grave unto this day.

In that day...and forward...departed living souls, were sent or escorted to HELL. The unsaved souls were SENT, and The saved souls were ESCORTED. (UNTIL...after Jesus ascended back to Heaven....Departed saved souls thereafter are ESCORTED to Heaven).

A revealing of HELL is described by Jesus, IN HIS DOCTRINE.
Luke 16: 19-31
Review and pay attention to HOW the saved living souls ARE divided (saved from unsaved) and separated BY WHAT (that one saved living soul can not be in the same place in Hell, as an unsaved living soul)...
Pay attention to WHAT these saved and unsaved living souls CAN DO....
See, hear, speak, smell, taste/touch....THE SENSES of a BODY, That become active once the body received Gods Breath of Life.

When the Body’s BLOOD stops flowing, Heart beating, the BODY DIES, it knows nothing.
When the body is dying, the living soul (with Gods Breath) departs the body, and continues Living....seeing, hearing, speaking, smelling, tasting/touch.

An UNSAVED living soul IN Hell, sees, hears, speaks, smells, tastes/touches.......the most putrid, sickening, horrid things, gagging things imaginable...continuous smell of sulphur, screams of agony, nothing pleasant to see, smell, touch, taste, hear....

WHY? Because God IS Just. God IS Good. God freely gave mankind good and pleasant things, to see, hear, touch, taste, smell for all men ON this Earth....and many men REJECT these things are Gifts from God.
SO? Men who REJECT acknowledging these things ARE Gifts from God...
Get to experience a living experience WITHOUT good and pleasant things.

Jesus came and TAUGHT HOW, men could BECOME “MADE WHOLE”, (by, through, of the Power of God) body and soul and spirit, wholly, whole and holy acceptable to be WITH God forever.

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

^ The is the crux of OSAS.
A saving of the soul, the quickening of the spirit.......
Always becomes MANIFESTED....AFTER the DEATH of the BODY.
* Once the body IS DEAD. THEN is the soul saved, the spirit quickened.
* Crucified WITH Jesus, IS Gods OFFERING of a new better ASSURED WAY, to become MADE WHOLE, before physical death.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

I did NOT yet suffer physical bodily death.
But I DID voluntarily, by, through, of, my verbal Heartful confession,
Lay down MY own life (my body), unto Death, for the Love and Belief IN my Lord God Almighty.
So, by Gods Offering, and my freewill to act on Gods Offering...
My body has fulfilled it’s ONE required Death, and I was assuredly By Gods Promise, MADE WHOLE...body, soul, spirit....Already “sanctified”...
Which means “SET APART”....from what?
ALL that IS NOT “yet or may not” ....forever BE WITH God.
...still alive in my flesh....Yet Already ASSURED I am Saved.
OSAS ^
Never, am I become.....”bodily uncrucified” !

Living souls depart the body? Might you give scriptural evidence on that please. The Bible states quite the opposite.

And will you do the same? Scriptural evidence?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Living souls depart the body? Might you give scriptural evidence on that please. The Bible states quite the opposite.

Begin with the beginning.
Form, God called a man.
God blows His Breath INTO the Form,
The Formed man is now A Living Formed man.
The Formed man Begins its independent natural life.
* The Parts of the Formed man begin independently functioning.
* ie the senses... ears hear, eyes see, nose smells, mouth makes sounds, skin feels touch.

Adam and Eve were unique, void of a natural womb birth.
Thereafter Humans bodily form in a womb, DEPENDENT on the mother’s life, ie THE Blood LIFE of the mother, separated via the placenta.

Life of a human man is his BLOOD...
Every mans LIFE (Blood) God requires.
(All appointed to Die, once, remember?)

Gen 9
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.


Once a human is born from the womb, God blows His breath into the nostrils of babe....The ears hear, eyes see, nose sneaks, mouth makes sounds, skin feels touch.....receiving of Their SOUL...Gods Breath of Life

All souls belong to God.
Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The Life IN all Souls, IS Gods Breath.
The Soul itself is a mysterious THING. A vessel of some sort that holds Gods Breath?
...a Soul can die? What is Death of a Spiritual thing?
...We know God is the Creator AND Maker of all things.

Isa 57
[16] For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Spiritual things never die...
But MADE things do die...body’s, souls.
MADE things can be Destroyed...ie
Body’s, souls, earth.

Isa 43:
[7] Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isa.45
[12] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Matt 10
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

~ body, soul, spirit are three different things.
~ they are joined in one man at three different times.
~ they can be divided or separated one from the other at different times
~ they are each together the WHOLE of one MAN.

When a body dies...it rots, stinks, is buried, to cover the stink, and continue rotting, returning to dust of the earth.

When the body is DYING...the “living soul” departs out of the body...
AND goes “somewhere”....
Where it is “SENT”...or where it is “ESCORTED”...depends on “IF” that departed living soul is “SAVED” or “NOT SAVED”.

Any soul separated from God is CALL DEAD.
(Because Death IS a separation from God.)
Living souls IN a living body, separated from God, is called dead.
Living souls OUT of a living body, separated from God is called dead.
Living souls OUT of a living body, WITH God, is not called SAVED.
Living souls IN a living body, WITH God, is called dead.
Living souls IN a living body, that GOD SPIRIT IS IN THAT men, that soul is called SAVED.

One mans, formed body, living soul, spirit, is all called by that man’s ONE NAME. All are possessive of that ONE individual man, as my, I, me, mine...

Read Gen chapter 35;
Many important things are revealed in that Chapter.
ISRAEL, deaths, births, travel, burials, land, grave, promises...

Jacob, now Israel, wife Rachel dies in labor.
Her body is buried.
And her SOUL?
Gen 35:
[18] And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin.
[19] And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.
[20] And Jacob set a pillar upon her grave: that is the pillar of Rachel's grave unto this day.

In that day...and forward...departed living souls, were sent or escorted to HELL. The unsaved souls were SENT, and The saved souls were ESCORTED. (UNTIL...after Jesus ascended back to Heaven....Departed saved souls thereafter are ESCORTED to Heaven).

A revealing of HELL is described by Jesus, IN HIS DOCTRINE.
Luke 16: 19-31
Review and pay attention to HOW the saved living souls ARE divided (saved from unsaved) and separated BY WHAT (that one saved living soul can not be in the same place in Hell, as an unsaved living soul)...
Pay attention to WHAT these saved and unsaved living souls CAN DO....
See, hear, speak, smell, taste/touch....THE SENSES of a BODY, That become active once the body received Gods Breath of Life.

When the Body’s BLOOD stops flowing, Heart beating, the BODY DIES, it knows nothing.
When the body is dying, the living soul (with Gods Breath) departs the body, and continues Living....seeing, hearing, speaking, smelling, tasting/touch.

An UNSAVED living soul IN Hell, sees, hears, speaks, smells, tastes/touches.......the most putrid, sickening, horrid things, gagging things imaginable...continuous smell of sulphur, screams of agony, nothing pleasant to see, smell, touch, taste, hear....

WHY? Because God IS Just. God IS Good. God freely gave mankind good and pleasant things, to see, hear, touch, taste, smell for all men ON this Earth....and many men REJECT these things are Gifts from God.
SO? Men who REJECT acknowledging these things ARE Gifts from God...
Get to experience a living experience WITHOUT good and pleasant things.

Jesus came and TAUGHT HOW, men could BECOME “MADE WHOLE”, (by, through, of the Power of God) body and soul and spirit, wholly, whole and holy acceptable to be WITH God forever.

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

^ The is the crux of OSAS.
A saving of the soul, the quickening of the spirit.......
Always becomes MANIFESTED....AFTER the DEATH of the BODY.
* Once the body IS DEAD. THEN is the soul saved, the spirit quickened.
* Crucified WITH Jesus, IS Gods OFFERING of a new better ASSURED WAY, to become MADE WHOLE, before physical death.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

I did NOT yet suffer physical bodily death.
But I DID voluntarily, by, through, of, my verbal Heartful confession,
Lay down MY own life (my body), unto Death, for the Love and Belief IN my Lord God Almighty.
So, by Gods Offering, and my freewill to act on Gods Offering...
My body has fulfilled it’s ONE required Death, and I was assuredly By Gods Promise, MADE WHOLE...body, soul, spirit....Already “sanctified”...
Which means “SET APART”....from what?
ALL that IS NOT “yet or may not” ....forever BE WITH God.
...still alive in my flesh....Yet Already ASSURED I am Saved.
OSAS ^
Never, am I become.....”bodily uncrucified” !



And will you do the same? Scriptural evidence?[/QUOTE]

I understand why you understand it the way you do, and I certainly appreciate the lengths you went to prove your point, however like you said, when the breath of life is put into a human, and I will include animal, they become a living soul, when the breath goes out, they die. The breath is the spirit, all are kept alive by God's holy spirit, the breath of life. The Bible is clear on the condition of the dead Taken: (Psalm 146:3, 4) . . .Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5-10) . . .For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.

Nothing lives on, why do you think there is a resurrection? God is not going to put souls back into their original body, many have been consumed by other beings.

 

[Taken]

I understand why you understand it the way you do,

No. The soul is not born again.

and I certainly appreciate the lengths you went to prove your point, however like you said, when the breath of life is put into a human, and I will include animal, they become a living soul, when the breath goes out, they die. The breath is the spirit, all are kept alive by God's holy spirit, the breath of life. The Bible is clear on the condition of the dead Taken: (Psalm 146:3, 4) . . .Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5-10) . . .For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.

Nothing lives on, why do you think there is a resurrection? God is not going to put souls back into their original body, many have been consumed by other beings.

MAN-KIND of THING. 3 things that are ONE MAN individual man
~ body
~ soul
~ spirit

Each thing, is from a DIFFERENT source.

* MAN-KIND BODY -
~ CREATED- body, form, shape, flesh, natural, tangible,
~ SOURCE - dust of the Earth.
~ body LIFE - BLOOD
~ REQUIRED to DIE
~ DEATH physical, Blood stops flowing
~ RETURNS to dust
~ DEATH temporary, then RAISED IN Glory
~ DEATH spiritual, NOT WITH God.
~ DEATH temporary, then RAISED IN Damnation
~ DEATH permanent, BODY Destroyed.

MAN-KIND SOUL -
~ MADE - hearing, smell, touch, taste, seeing, word
~ SOURCE - Gods BREATH Blown INTO Formed Body nostrils
~ soul LIFE - Gods BREATH
~ DEATH spiritual, NOT WITH God.
~ DEATH permanent, SOUL Destroyed.
~ DEATH permanent, LIFE IN SOUL returns to God.
~ LIFE permanent, SOUL keeps Gods LIFE, ie. “Restored & Saved”.

MAN-KIND SPIRIT -
~ CREATED NATURAL- natural TRUTH IN a man’s HEART.
~ SOURCE - seeing, hearing, observing, OF OTHER MAN-KIND.
~ natural soul LIFE - BLOOD
~ DEATH - Blood stops flowing
~ POSSIBLE CIRCUMCISION WHILE ALIVE - Gods Works.
~ POSSIBLE NEW Spiritual Heart WHILE ALIVE - Gods Works
~ POSSIBLE Gods SPIRIT ENTERS IN man’s NEW HEART - Gods Works
~ POSSIBLE GOD SEED IN NEW HEART - Gods Works
~ SEED of God, BIRTHS NEW SPIRIT - Gods Works ie “Born Again”.
~ Gods SPIRIT “of TRUTH” FEEDS New Spirit of man - Gods Works
~ New Spirit of man FED...GODS TRUTH.
~ New Spirit of man CAN NEVER DIE.
~ New Spirit of man CAN NEVER BE AGAINST GOD, (ie SIN).
~ New Spirit of man HAS power to MAKE his MIND’s THOUGHTS, subservient to his NEW HEART’S THOUGHTS.
^^ CONVERTED IN Christ.

MAN-KIND BODY...physically Dies? Stinks, rots, buried in grave.
....(buried by men)
MAN-KIND Living Saved soul? Goes to Heaven WITH God..waits.
....(escorted to heaven by Gods holy angel servants)
MAN-KIND Born Again spirit? Goes to Heaven WITH God....waits.
....(spirit rises up to Gods hands)

~ Waits FOR WHAT? Gods PLAN to come into FRUITION...All people to be born that shall be ever born. God punishments, Tribulations UPON the Earth and it’s inhabitants. Death and Destruction.
Division, Separation, those WITH God from those WITHOUT God.
New Heavens, New Earth, Glorified Occupants.

Souls did not come from the dust of earth, nor return to the dust of the earth.