Yes, that's true, those who feel they are completely self-sufficient are in trouble!the attitude that says we have need of nothing
I have nothing of myself. But I have everything in Christ.
Much love!
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Yes, that's true, those who feel they are completely self-sufficient are in trouble!the attitude that says we have need of nothing
Not sure what you mean by starting point. I confirm anything I happen think about Scripture by Scripture. For me it is the starting, middle, and end point.Scripture interprets scripture is a good starting point, a Good hermeneutic, But when the Word of God comes to life scripture will begin to resonate with who you are and what you need and will read you, and convict you, and move you and transform you, this is the Power of the sword of the Spirit. It cuts to the marrow of who you are, and the intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
This is the heart of projection. "Your life must be just like mine."
OK, you keep talking about me being offended, I'm not. You just happen to be mistaken about me. There are no complaints of offense. This is like looking at an equation and getting the wrong sum is all.Prove me wrong is what you should be doing now, instead of complaining about how offended this made you.
Again, my comment, which you equate to the Laodicean church leader, who is spiritually empty, what to refer you to what God says of us:You made a comment that was just like what the Laodicean says in their heart "I am in need of nothing",
Prove to you that I'm not Laodicean? Dead inside? Without Jesus? I know you think that the Laodicean letter is written to a born again church. I see it written to a church shepherd/elder/what we'd call pastor who is neither hot nor cold, and Jesus stands outside, not having communion inside.
And all the rest of us should learn from what it says, but not to broadbrush everyone you meet as if this is what desribes them.
Prove I'm not Laodicean? What would be proof to you? That I give some personal testimony? That I speak of wonders and gifts? That I convince you from my anecdotal tales what you do not accept from Scripture? What I say means nothing. What God says means everything.
This like telling me, who is a non-drinker, that I'm an alcoholic, and when I tell you I don't drink, you say, Aha! Your are in denial!These Words again show that you do not understand or have a desire to admit and deny the responsibility in your own life for this Laodicean mindset.
You show a disconnect with the elder/messenger to the church, which is merely one of us who has supposedly matured, in writing to the elder the message is to the whole body but you do not equate yourself with the whole body.
The Church is not the leaders, the church is the people, all of them. When Paul wrote his Epistles, He was writing to all in the church, not just the leaders. The Epistles in Revelation are the same. They were written directly to the seven Churches that existed at the time,
the fact that you use this excuse to not allow this letter to convict you, shows this mindset at work in you,
you are merely exposing and confirming the truth of who you are to me, and that is one who is caught in the Laodicean Mindset that has a disconnect with the Nicolaitan clergy,
you confirm the diagnosis. Do You not see this?
To the messenger of the church in Ephesus write . . .
You can pay attention or not, it's up to you. He who has an ear let him hear. Certainly these are to all of us. Let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Certainly these are to the church. To the messenger of the church in . . . They are firstly addressed to the messenger of the church.
So I'm about done with all this personal nonsense. That's not what I'm here for.
I want to discuss Scripture, but you can't seem to stop making this all about declaring me Laodicean so you can keep your doctrine.
So there ya go!
Much love!
All the letters apply to every believer and all have a lesson that we all must learn in our Christian walk as part of the progressive revelation to the churches.
By your method of interpretation, I counsel you to put away the immorality under Jezebel. She is a false prophetess, and you need to stop your adultery with her, committing fornication, and eating things sacrificed to demons!
Oh, you are not in bed with Jezebel? Stop your denial, and get out of that bed!
"Rightly dividing the word of God"? Or no?
Much love!
Jezebel is a seductive spirit and all believers must deal with her in their lives, and there is a Jezebel in each of our lives as Believers which we must overcome. So Yes I have been under the sway of this spirit, and under her seductions, but by the Grace of God and the work of the holy Spirit In me I have overcome this spirit. To Say you have not dealt with the spirit of Jezebel is to be naive to her ways and seductions. You Would do well to identify this spirit at work in your life in the people you are close to, Once you identify the jezebel spirit you can begin to see them at work all around the world.... a tip, a type A personality is not a Jezebel, but more than likely if you are a type A personality there is one attached to your hip, as they like authorities and powers... church leaders are prone to this seduction more than any others, and is why this is associated with the Nicolaitan doctrines.
Hope this helps....
I've long wondered when people, and in particular Christians, those who are filled with the Holy Spirit, you are filled up with Christ, well, there's this longstanding practice of blaming evil spirits for moral failings, and I just wonder that maybe it's just the good ol' flesh, those fleshy lusts pushing their way, and we give in, and that all there is to it.
I know there is spiritual warfare. I know know that the wicked one shoots those fiery darts. But look at what those darts are . . . they are attacks on your faith. Faith is what deflects them.
The desire for sins rises readily from the flesh, and having the correct perspective on what we're dealing with will better equip us, I think. And maybe someone is dealing with an evil spirit, and maybe our own flesh, either way, to me, I respond the same way without needing to know, just that when I feel that tug, to turn in trust to God.
What does that mean? I hear this term a lot. Can you show me in the Bible what demonic oppression of a child of God is?but they can be oppressed
What does that mean? I hear this term a lot. Can you show me in the Bible what demonic oppression of a child of God is?
Much love!
A Nicolaitan dialectic is a means of manipulation used by leaders in a society or social construct to keep the People in their subservient and dependent position on their leadership. It is based on Circular reasoning and is prevalent in all Worldly institutions, whether they be secular or religious. The circular reasoning they use goes something like this....
We (The leaders) have been granted power, we have set up this institution for you to be a part of This institution is founded by authorized Powers that cannot be questioned. You must belong to this institution or you are not one of us.
Before you dismiss this Post, We as Christians should not be involved in this for we are not of this world. We are not to be called rabbi, but we are all brethren and sisters with Christ and Co Heirs with Jesus by adoption, He is the head of the church, not human institutions. If you can grasp this you will free yourself from a lot of burdens the religious spirit puts you under.
Are you trapped in a Nicolaitan dialectic, lost in a circle of circular reasoning?
Good issue to bring up. Years ago I had the same wonderment. I watched and listened as Professional Church Talkers hypnotized and dominated gullible people, thinking "How Do They Get Away With It Week After Week?"A Nicolaitan dialectic is a means of manipulation used by leaders in a society or social construct to keep the People in their subservient and dependent position on their leadership. It is based on Circular reasoning and is prevalent in all Worldly institutions, whether they be secular or religious. The circular reasoning they use goes something like this....
We (The leaders) have been granted power, we have set up this institution for you to be a part of This institution is founded by authorized Powers that cannot be questioned. You must belong to this institution or you are not one of us.
Before you dismiss this Post, We as Christians should not be involved in this for we are not of this world. We are not to be called rabbi, but we are all brethren and sisters with Christ and Co Heirs with Jesus by adoption, He is the head of the church, not human institutions. If you can grasp this you will free yourself from a lot of burdens the religious spirit puts you under.
Are you trapped in a Nicolaitan dialectic, lost in a circle of circular reasoning?
I hear people talking about demons "oppressing" Christians, at the end of it, your words, "they are in the control of demonic spirits", that's something I didn't see in your reply, where God's children are in the control of demonic spirits. There is the passage of handing the one over to Satan, although that's in the context of correction.I Sure can.... Paul is a good example, wherever he preached his words were received, and then opposed by certain groups, In Particular he mentions some by name, Hymeneus and Alexander (1 Timothy 1:20), Hymeneus and Philetus ( 2 Timothy 2:17) , Jannes and Jambres (2 Timothy 3:8) Read these episodes in scripture. These are all men, the last two were the magicians of Pharaoh who withstood Moses, and they are "types". They are the type of opposition a man of God will face. Satan fights from two towers, lawlessness is Overt and obvious, legalism is covert and covered in religion, he attacks on multiple fronts. To Oppress literally is to Oppose or hold back or squeeze, This sort of oppression is all over scripture done by leaders and religious chiefs throughout, thinking they are doing the will of God, but as Jesus put it, "they are of their father the devil".
Especially, take the time to read 2 Timothy 3 As this goes into more detail as does 1 Timothy 4.
Oppression comes in many forms, Persecution, false accusation, scoffing and mocking, Plotting against, Leading astray. It is literally all over scripture, where men called of God are opposed. They are wittingly and in some cases unwittingly in the control of demonic spirits. (Seducing spirits and doctrines of Devils).
I hear people talking about demons "oppressing" Christians, at the end of it, your words, "they are in the control of demonic spirits", that's something I didn't see in your reply, where God's children are in the control of demonic spirits. There is the passage of handing the one over to Satan, although that's in the context of correction.
That's my concern when people start talking about demonic oppression and demons taking control of Believers, that this ascribes too much to demons and too little to Jesus, who will not, I do not think, share us with demons.
There seems to me to be an almost Christian counter-culture with this whole narrative of the underworld society, as it were. For myself, it seems unhealthy. I seem to do so much better staying focused on Jesus. My shortcomings, from whatever source, are addressed in exactly the same way, by faith in Christ, and in the renewing of the mind.
That's right, we've both said, not possessed. You said God's children can be "controlled" by demons. I don't think that is correct. I don't see Jesus handing control of me over to demons.But they are not possessed by them.