BABYLON SCAMYLON

[Philip James]

Who is the "woman"?
A) Mary
B) personification of the Church
C) personification of Israel
D) all of the above

I pick D.

(Are we being graded? )

 

[epostle1]

I pick D.

WRONG!!! The answer is D!!! You get a mark of "D"!!!
What a stupid Catholic.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

That sounds awfully like this..that Jesus condemned while praising the humility of the 'sinner'.

Quote THBE:-I thank Jesus Christ, my Saviour, who has delivered me. He told me the truth..
Translation =
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."

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Your charge would also apply to Jesus, Paul, etc:

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:​

 

[bbyrd009]

The first sign of a religious con artist is the claim that the Vatican sits on the 7 hills of Rome. When you see that, turn on your falsehood detector. All 7 "hills" are nowhere near the Vatican. In fact, to get to the 7 hills from the Vatican, you have to cross the Tiber River. Any map will verify this. But people are gullible and like the sound of carnival barkers.

pls already, "Seven Hills" is an ancient colloquialism for Rome, and the Vatican is not in Rome by accident ok. The irony in your last sentence here is pretty thick at the very least, imo you should at least show ppl your gun when you are making posts like this. The RCC is openly, proudly Fascist, which i guess is not a sin, strictly speaking, but Seven Hills and Vatican are not associated on a whim nor a deception, like you suggest and surely wish were true, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle."

praying to angels now, and wadr that is the best part of the satanic prayer in your sig ok.

"Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil."
completely unscriptural, and cannot be supported even by inference imo.

Angels are not saints anyway, and saints are not put here to defend.
There is no battle. You are not supposed to be fighting satan.
You cannot Quote a single Scripture to support any of that vampire pope's prayer imo

"O Prince of the heavenly hosts"
Michael the Archangel is not the Prince of the hosts

"by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls."
that is not Michael's job either, and also ignores the fact that satan serves God.
if that was Michael's job then satan would have already been "in hell," long time ago.
Neverminding that by your own definition of "hell," that is not satan's final place anyway

have a nice day

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Nope, im calling whoever says this:
Catholics are taught not to approach Jesus

a liar...

What do you think of these quotations in regards approaching to Jesus through 'Mary' only?

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary18a.htm

For instance, therein (there are over 100 such citations):

"... Every grace which is communicated to this world has a threefold origin: it flows from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin to us . . . Nothing comes to us except through the mediation of Mary, for such is the will of God. Thus, just as no man goes to the Father but by the Son, so likewise no one goes to Christ except through His Mother. Whosoever will not have recourse to her is trying to fly without wings . . . O Virgin Most Holy, no one abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; no one, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee!

Pope Leo XIII
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There is no one, O most holy Mary, who can know God except through thee; no one who can be saved or redeemed but through thee, O Mother of God!

St. Germanus of Constantinople
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To reach the Eternal Father, we must go to Jesus, our Mediator of Redemption . . . To go to Jesus, we must go to Mary: she is our Mediatrix of Intercession.

St. Louis Marie de Montfort
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As you cannot come to God except by means of Jesus Christ, you likewise cannot come to Christ except by means of His Mother . . . As we have access to the Father only by means of the Son, so do we have access to the Son only by means of the Mother.

St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori (The Glories of Mary, with sanction of [Maltese Cross] John Archbishop of New York, page 196 - https://archive.org/stream/TheGloriesOfMary1852#page/n196/mode/1up/ )
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Through thee do we have access to thy Son, O Blessed Discoverer of Grace, O Mother of Life, O Mother of Salvation!

St. Bernard
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By the will of God nothing is conferred upon us except by means of Mary; and just as no one is able to approach the Most High Father except through His Son, so too no one approaches Christ but through Mary His Mother.

St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe​

We cannot approach Jesus but through Mary; we can see Jesus and speak to Him only by means of her.

St. Louis Marie de Montfort ..."​

 

[Philip James]

What do you think of these quotations in regards approaching to Jesus throgh 'Mary' only?

Theyre entitled to their opinions...
I will say this; anyone who finds Mary will find Jesus, because she always points to Him and says 'do whatever He tells you'

Likewise all who find Jesus will find Mary because He says to us: 'behold your mother'

Peace!

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Theyre entitled to their opinions...

They are? Do you have authority within the Magisterium to grant that matter of conscience?

Do you realize that one was a 'Pope', Leo XIII, which is a citation from his Encyclical?

I will say this; anyone who finds Mary will find Jesus, because she always points to Him and says 'do whatever He tells you'

Likewise all who find Jesus will find Mary because He says to us: 'behold your mother'

Peace!

Ok, then, what do you think of 'popes' saying the same (please notice the citations), especially see 'pope' Leo XIII:

"... Roman Pontiffs on Mary as Mediatrix:

Treasury of All Good Things

1. “God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary.” and “God has committed to the Blessed Virgin Mary the treasury of all good things in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace and all salvation.” (Pius IX: Encycl., Ubi primum, February 2, 1849.) — [p. 12, number 12; p. 18, no. 38]

Only Through Thee

1. “O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” (Leo XIII: Encycl., Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895.) — [p. 12, no. 13]

No One Goes to CHrist Except Through His Mother

1. “With equal truth it may be said that of the great treasury of all graces given to us by Our Lord—for grace and truth came by Jesus Christ—nothing comes to us except through Mary’s mediation, for such is God’s Will. Thus, as no man goes to the Father but by the Son, so no one goes to Christ except through his mother.” (Leo XIII, Encycl., Octobri mense, September 22, 1891.) — [pp. 13,14, no. 19]

("... Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother. ..." -
Octobri Mense; On the Rosary; Pope Leo XIII - 1891 - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13ro1.htm )
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With Mary and Through Mary

1. “If it is impossible to separate what God has united, it is also certain that you cannot find Jesus except with Mary and through Mary.” (St. Pius X: Allocution to the Franciscans, November 12, 1910.) — [p. 14, no. 20]

Our Lady of the Rosary

1. “Every day, as the Church herself recommends, priests will recite the Holy Rosary, which, by proposing for our meditation the mysteries of the Redeemer, leads us to Jesus through Mary.” (Pius XII: Exhortation, Menti nostri, September 23, 1950) — [p. 14, no. 23]

What We Owe the Virgin Mary

1. “As the various mysteries present themselves one after another in the formula of the Rosary, for the meditation and contemplation of men’s minds, they also make clear what we owe to Mary for our reconciliation and salvation.” (Leo XIII: Encycl., Fidentum Piumque, September 20, 1896.) [pp. 15,16, no. 29]

All Hope

1. “All our hope do we repose in the Most Blessed Virgin, in the all-fair and immaculate one who has crushed the most cruel serpent’s poisonous head and brought salvation to the world.” (Pius IX: Apost. Const., Ineffabilis Deus, December 8, 1854.) — [p. 18, no. 39]

The Mediatrix of Our Salvation

1. “O Holy Mother of God; to thee we lift our prayers for thou, powerful and merciful, art the Mediatrix of our salvation.” (Leo XIII: Encycl., Jucunda semper, September 8, 1894.) — [p. 19, no. 43]

Through the Mater Dei

1. “None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” (Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44]

Mary is the Mediatrix and the Dispenser of Graces

1. “Whenever we speak of Mary or speak to her, let us not forget that she is really our Mother, for through her we received divine life. She gave us Jesus himself, the source of grace. Mary is a Mediatrix and Dispenser of Graces.” (Pius XII: Radio message to the Italian Catholic Action, December 8, 1953) — [p. 22, no. 59]

Under her Patronage

1. “Since Mary is ‘Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope,’ let us cry to her, ‘mourning and weeping in the vale of tears,’ and place ourselves and all that is ours confidently under her patronage.” (Pius XII: Mediator Dei, November 20, 1947.) — [p. 25, no. 71]

Hope & Trust

1. “The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God.” (Leo XIII: Encyclical, Supreme Apostolatus, September 1, 1883.) — [p. 32, no. 104]

Suffering with her Son

1. “According to the common teaching of the Doctors, it was God’s design that the Blessed Virgin Mary, apparently absent from the public life of Jesus, should assist him when he was dying nailed to the Cross. Mary suffered and as it were, nearly died with her suffering Son; for the salvation of mankind she renounced her mother’s rights and, as far as it depended on her, offered her Son to placate divine justice; so we may well say that she with Christ redeemed mankind.” (Benedict XV: Letter, Inter sodalicia, May 22, 1918.) [p. 35; no. 119]

Immune from All Sin

1. “She it was who, immune from all sin, personal or inherited, and ever more closely united with her Son, offered him on Golgotha to the Eternal Father….” (Pius XII: Encyclical, Mystical corporis, June 29, 1943.) [p. 37; no. 128.]

(Satan takes the place of not only Christ in Mediation, etc, but so also the Holy Ghost, see Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?)​

Necessary to Secure Salvation

1. “… it is evident that she cannot do other than help most devotedly her dearest adopted sons at an hour at which it is necessary to secure for them salvation and sanctity for all eternity.” (Benedict XV: Letter, Inter sodalicia, May 22, 1918.) [p. 46; no. 171]

She Has Received Us As Sons

1. “… It was before the eyes of Mary that the divine sacrifice for which she had borne and nurtured the Victim was to be finished. … In the miracle of love, so that she might receive us as her sons ….” (Leo XIII: Encyclical, Jucunda semper, September 8, 1894.) [p. 50; no.187]

All Graces to Mankind

1. “Mary is all powerful with her divine Son who grants all graces to mankind through her …” (Benedict XV: Encyclical, Fausto appetente die, June 29, 1921.) [p. 59; no. 244]

Salvation of the Christian People

1. “From whom can we expect the salvation of the Christian people today if not from her of whom it is written that whosoever shall find her shall find life and shall have salvation from the Lord?” (Pius XI: Letter, Cum valde, Februrary 20, 1929.) [p. 59; no. 245] ..." - https://stpeterslist.com/18-quotes-by-roman-pontiffs-on-mary-as-mediatrix

 

[Philip James]

They are? Do you have authority within the Magisterium to grant that matter of conscience?

The Magesterium has put no ban on seeking Marys intercession.

In my experience , attacking the Church's devotion to Mary is the last act of a desperate attempt to discredit Catholics... Who are you to judge their hearts when you yourself are in rebellion against God's annointed.

Peace!

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle."

praying to angels now, and wadr that is the best part of the satanic prayer in your sig ok....

It was repeated, recently, and I know why (since the events in 1884-1888 are now repeating, and Satan then, knew what was happening among the Seventh-day Adventist movement, the righteousness by faith messages, and so too again, it is happening again, and the King of the North is overthrowing the final resistance of the King of the South; Daniel 11:40 KJB; and now Caiphas and Annas ...):

"...On July 4th 2013, posted 7/6/2013

Defend Us in Battle: Benedict XVI and Pope Francis Consecrate the Vatican to Michael the Archangel

St. Michael the Archangel in the Vatican Gardens, by sculptor Giuseppe Antonio Lomuscio

Pope Francis dedicated a statue of St. Michael the Archangel in the Vatican Gardens on July 5. Pope-emeritus Benedict attended the ceremony, making his first official public appearance at the Vatican since his resignation.

...

“We consecrate Vatican City State to St. Michael Archangel, asking him to defend us against evil and to banish it,” the Pope said as he dedicated the statue, which he described as “an invitation to reflection and prayer.” St. Michael, he said, “defends the People of God from enemies and above all from the greatest enemy of all, the devil.”

“This sculpture reminds us that evil is vanquished,” Pope Francis said.

• By Deacon Keith Fournier
• 7/6/2013
• Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

The Catholic Church often speaks in symbols. They open up for us, in a way which words fail, the true reality.

...

VATICAN CITY (Catholic Online) – In a ceremony held in the Vatican Gardens on Friday, July 4, 2013, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and Pope Francis appeared together. That fact alone should have garnered the attention of the media.

The media in the United States is in a pause for the celebration of Independence Day. In addition, the western media in general is not only asleep but dismissive of the relevance of such an act due to a blindness which accompanies the descent into materialist hedonism underway in the West.

...

However, the Catholic Church, ancient but ever new, often speaks in symbols. They open up for us, in a way which words fail, the true reality. That is if they are directed to the Living Word, Jesus Christ. The official Vatican report reads as follows:

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One of the better explanations of this fact came in an interview which Kathryn Lopez, Editor at Large of National Review, did in May with my friend, Alejandro Bermudez, the director of ACI-Prensa and executive director of Catholic News Agency. ...

“LOPEZ: In On Heaven and Earth, Cardinal Bergoglio says: “Maybe [the Devil’s] greatest achievement in these times has been to make us believe that he does not exist and that all can be fixed on a purely human level.” Why is he so obsessed with the Devil?

BERMUDEZ: If his focus on the Devil is an obsession, well, I think we should all be obsessed. The reality of the existence of the Devil is so overwhelming, especially in the unexplainable evil of our day, that is easier for me to understand how a person can not believe in God than how one cannot believe in the Devil. In any case, Pope Francis believes that taking the Devil out of the equation is more irrational than making long-term plans believing that nothing will ever go wrong. Any company would immediately fire a manager that naïve.”

Alejandro is correct in his comment. The fact that the “two Popes” joined one another in an act of consecration of the Vatican to St. Michael the Archangel speaks beyond the current Pope’s affirmation of the unbroken teaching of the Church on the existence of the devil. It reveals the realities of the prophetic moment in which they both feel we are in. It is an invitation to all of us to enter into spiritual warfare.

In 1886 Pope Leo XIII added a prayer seeking the intercession of St Michael the Archangel which was recited at the end of every low Mass. “Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray: and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen”

The prayer was a response to an encounter the Pope had in prayer. In that experience he saw that the Devil had unleashed a furious assault on Christ’s Church. He wanted the Church to take up spiritual arms and enter into the conflict. In the Liturgical renewal which accompanied the Second Vatican Council, the prayer fell out of use.

The intention of no longer requiring it at the end of every Mass was not to dissuade its use. It was because it was considered to be a prayer which the … faithful which would continue to be regularly recited on their own and did not require priestly leadership. Sadly, along with other reactions to the well intended renewals of the Council, such acts of spiritual warfare began to wane.

Blessed John Paul II regularly called the faithful back to seeking the assistance of Michael in the work of spiritual warfare. In 1994, he explicitly requested all of us to enter into the necessary spiritual warfare our age requires. He specifically requested that the Prayer seeking the assistance of St. Michael in this battle “against the forces of darkness and against the spirit of this world” resume a place of prominence in our devotion:

“May prayer strengthen us for the spiritual battle we are told about in the Letter to the Ephesians, “Draw strength from the Lord and from his mighty power” (Eph 6 10). The Book of Revelation refers to this same battle recalling before our eyes the image of St. Michael the Archangel (Rev. 12:7). Pope Leo XIII certainly had a very vivid recollection of this scene when, at the end of the last century, he introduced a special prayer to St Michael throughout the Church.”

“St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle, be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.” Although today this prayer is no longer recited at the end of Mass, I ask everyone not to forget it, and to recite it to obtain help in the battle against the forces of darkness and against the spirit of this world. (Pope John Paul II, Regina Caeli, 24 April 1994)”
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The event and consecration to Michael the Archangel in the Vatican Garden on Friday, July 3 [5th? Is real day of Friday], 2013, with the appearance of the “Two Popes”, is a symbol of the importance placed by the successors of Peter on the faithful not only discerning the underlying spiritual warfare of this age but taking our place in the field of battle.

The last Book of the Bible, the Book of Revelation or the Apocalypse of John, records the account of the Battle in the Heavens: “Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,8 but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” (Rev 12:7-9)

On May 24, 1987, Blessed John Paul II visited a shrine dedicated to Michael the Archangel and gave a profound address on the biblical roots and teaching of the Tradition of the Church as it relates to the role of St Michael the Archangel in the task of spiritual warfare. It can be read in its entirety here.

I conclude with another excerpt from Blessed John Paul II. The news out of the Vatican decreeing his canonization, along with Blessed John XXIII, serves to remind us of his role in this struggle. The following words place in context and underscore the significance of this little reported event in the Garden of the Vatican. Our “two Popes” have invoked the big weapon in the current age of spiritual warfare. They have invited us to do the same.

... Amen! ..."- https://johnib.wordpress.com/2013/0...secrate-the-vatican-to-michael-the-archangel/

or - http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=51602​

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

The Magesterium has put no ban on seeking Marys intercession.

That is a reversal of what I asked you.

In my experience , attacking the Church's devotion to Mary is the last act of a desperate attempt to discredit Catholics...

I am simply quoting Roman Catholicism's sources, and asked you a question.

Who are you to judge their hearts when you yourself are in rebellion against God's annointed.

Peace!

Christ Jesus is God's anointed:

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​

And we, as Christians (those in Christ) are also, all anointed:

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;​

As for Roman Catholicism's 'pope' in Rome, he has no more authority over me, than you do.

The Holy Ghost is the representative of Christ Jesus on earth:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.​

 

[Philip James]

The Holy Ghost is the representative of Christ Jesus on earth:

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Indeed. So you should probably take heed to what He has taught the Church for 2000 years..

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Indeed. So you should probably take heed to what He has taught the Church for 2000 years..

First, the "2,000" is in error in regards "church". And even moreso for what you designate as [capital] "Church", though the mystery of iniquity was there in the earliest days. (2 Thessalonians 2:7; Acts 20:28-30, etc).

The Holy Ghost is given to those who obey God in His commandments, John 14:15; Exodus 20:6:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.​

Moses was part of the "church in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38), and that was some 1450 years before NT times.

The scripture says:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.​

It is simple. Roman Catholicism, does not speak according to the Law (Exodus 20:1-17) and the Testimony (Prophets, such as Isaiah), see here - http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

Roman Catholicism has a different set of law than God's Law, especially in matters of the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, and this was foretold:

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.​

No matter if error is thousands of years old, time never sanctifies error, and always remains error.

 

[Phoneman777]

Nope, im calling whoever says this:
Catholics are taught not to approach Jesus

a liar...

Since when can any Catholic approach Jesus without the need of an intercessor? You seem not to understand the tenants of your own faith.

 

[epostle1]

As for Roman Catholicism's 'pope' in Rome, he has no more authority over me, than you do.

Why make such a silly statement if it is so obvious, even to the Pope? Your concept of papal authority is twisted and warped because that is what your cult teaches you...a cartoon, a cardboard caricature.

 

[quietthinker]

Wow. Is the hatred out of your system yet?
You must certainly not be a disciple of Christ since He said we shall know each other by the love we have for each other.
John 13:35

To chastise and or to expose falsehood does not mean a lack of love. Love my dear as you no doubt know is not that mushy compliant emotion so often peddled in popular songs or film or novels. Love in its true sense has backbone, it is fearless and its objective is the well being of the other particularly in the face of deception.

 

[Phoneman777]

I would never call St. Mother Teresa a liar, but a mix of Ku Klux Klan; 7th day Adventist theology, a mentally disturbed sadistic authority hater; educated only in Jack Chick, Hyslop/Pickering lies, addicted to false histories and spiritual porn, gets a high over the most vile anti-Catholic crap available on the internet and fabricates phony anti-Catholic testimonies, I would call a liar. Wouldn't you?


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Who is the "woman"?
A) Mary
B) personification of the Church
C) personification of Israel
D) all of the above
E) the whore of Babylon

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I'm sorry, but Catholics are not taught they may approach Jesus directly without an intercessor. Protestants who believe the Bible know that it teaches we may approach the throne of grace "boldly". There's but One and only One mediator - Jesus

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Why make such a silly statement if it is so obvious, even to the Pope? Your concept of papal authority is twisted and warped because that is what your cult teaches you...a cartoon, a cardboard caricature.

"...Then follow some principles and conclusions concerning the spiritual and the secular power:

Under the control of the Church are two swords, that is two powers, the expression referring to the medieval theory of the two swords, the spiritual and the secular. This is substantiated by the customary reference to the swords of the Apostles at the arrest of Christ (Luke 22:38; Matthew 26:52).

Both swords are in the power of the Church; the spiritual is wielded in the Church by the hand of the clergy; the secular is to be employed for the Church by the hand of the civil authority, but under the direction of the spiritual power.

The one sword must be subordinate to the other: the earthly power must submit to the spiritual authority, as this has precedence of the secular on account of its greatness and sublimity; for the spiritual power has the right to establish and guide the secular power, and also to judge it when it does not act rightly. When, however, the earthly power goes astray, it is judged by the spiritual power; a lower spiritual power is judged by a higher, the highest spiritual power is judged by God.

This authority, although granted to man, and exercised by man, is not a human authority, but rather a Divine one, granted to Peter by Divine commission and confirmed in him and his successors. Consequently, whoever opposes this power ordained of God opposes the law of God and seems, like a Manichaean, to accept two principles.

"Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff" (Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis).

The Bull is universal in character. … In the registers, on the margin of the text of the record, the last sentence is noted as its real definition: "Declaratio quod subesse Romano Pontifici est omni humanae creaturae de necessitate salutis" (It is here stated that for salvation it is necessary that every human creature be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff). ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; section on Unam Sanctam] - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15126a.htm
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/bon08/b8unam.htm​

 

[epostle1]

Since when can any Catholic approach Jesus without the need of an intercessor? You seem not to understand the tenants of your own faith.

Catholics approach Jesus without the need of an intercessor in liturgy and in private prayer. But we like intercessors because it works, and it's God's design. The tenants of your faith are lies against the Church, which you have made anti-Catholic bigotry into a religion.

 

[Phoneman777]

That sounds awfully like this..that Jesus condemned while praising the humility of the 'sinner'.

Quote THBE:-I thank Jesus Christ, my Saviour, who has delivered me. He told me the truth..
Translation =
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican."

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I don't think THBE meant to say that - I think he's referring to church people who teach things that Jesus never did.