Baptism: Its Meaning and Significance

[Selene]

Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Jesus died once for your sins, He either has or He has not, either your sins are forgiven or they are not, baptism can save no man, if you do not believe that Christ has died for your sins, than what can baptism do for you, if you have not accepted His Gift to you than it doesnt matter what you do, there is no salvation outside His free gift.

In all His Love

You need to address this scripture, and until you do, you would be going against scripture which specifically stated "sins that are PAST.":

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

[mjrhealth]

You need to address this scripture, and until you do, you would be going against scripture which specifically stated "sins that are PAST

So you are telling me
Jesus only dies for our past sins, His blood was sacrificed for nothing and taht we must keep Him nailed there for all eternity to cover our sins.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

In all His Love

 

[Selene]

So you are telling me
Jesus only dies for our past sins, His blood was sacrificed for nothing and taht we must keep Him nailed there for all eternity to cover our sins.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

In all His Love

Christ's sacrifice on the cross was not for nothing, but the Bible DID specifically say that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was for the remission of sins that are in the PAST. This is coming from the Bible....not from me.

Perhaps, the question you need to ask yourself is.....if Christ died for sins that are also in the present and the future....then what is the point of repentance?? Why did St. Peter tell the people to repent if their sins were already forgiven? St. Peter stated those words AFTER Pentecost. The fact that St. Peter told the people to repent for the forgiveness of sins showed that present and future sins were not forgiven......only PAST sins just as St. Paul stated.

 

[mjrhealth]

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

He died once for all. or He died for nothing.

Do you not understand, sin requires a blood sacrifice, if you have not accepted that He has died once and for all, than everytime you sin and repent he need to get up on that cross and sacrifice His blood all over again.

Heb_9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

So because of His one sacrifice we are forgiven IF we accept His Grace and Mercy.l

Eph_1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In ALLHis most wonderfull Love

 

[Selene]

He died once for all. or He died for nothing.

Do you not understand, sin requires a blood sacrifice, if you have not accepted that He has died once and for all, than everytime you sin and repent he need to get up on that cross and sacrifice His blood all over again.

Heb_9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

So because of His one sacrifice we are forgiven IF we accept His Grace and Mercy.l

Eph_1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In ALLHis most wonderfull Love

My brother, when Adam and Eve committed a sin, they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, and when they died, their souls could not enter God's kingdom. Heaven was closed to all of mankind. That was the price we all paid for Adam's sin. Christ's death and resurrection opened up the gates of Heaven, so that when we die, our souls can enter God's Kingdom. Our souls no longer will be trapped in Hades and held prisoner by death because Christ has conquered death. That was what Christ did for us. He redeemed man so that when we die, we can enter Heaven.

Christ died for past sins so that those who were held prisoner by death (such as Adam, Abraham, etc.) can enter Heaven. By forgiving the PAST sin that Adam gave to the entire human race, Christ gave us redemption so that those of us living in the present and those who are not yet born in the future can enter Heaven when death takes us. However, this does not mean that present and future sins are forgiven. That is why we still have to repent for any sins that we commit today. Christ already did His part in giving us redemption so that we can enter Heaven when we die. Our part is to repent from our sins because repentance is part of our salvation.

 

[mjrhealth]

Selene you dont get it, Christ died once, He shed His blood once, He will never do it again, if you have not accepted what He has done than there is no forgivenes, as it says, repentance requires a blood sacrifrice, Jesus will not die for anyone again it is finsihed it is done it is over. How can He die again for your sins tomorrow if according to you the price is not paid, there is no more sacrifice for those, He paid the price once, not again.

Adam and Eve wher not" kicked out" of the garden of Eden, they where removed for their own good, our own good, can you imagine the state of the planet if they had eaten of the tree of life in their fallen state, they wouild live for ever and sin would abound for ever, somthing God could not allow. God is not some hateful spiteful man He is a loving Father.

In all His Love

 

[Alanforchrist]

Jesus' died for the remission of sins, but it was only for past sins, not present or future sins. After Christ died, did you not noticed that St. Peter stated to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. If Christ's death on the cross covered everyone's sins, why would Peter asked those to repent and be baptize for the forgiveness of sins?? Furthermore, the Bible does state that Christ's death on the cross was for PAST sins.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

St. Peter clearly stated to repent, be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit......and in that order (See Acts 2:38).

To be baptize in the name of Jesus Christ is to be baptized in the way Christ was baptized......not in the way John baptizes. We baptize infants just like the Early Christians did because baptism is not only to cleanse the original sin from the infants, but to also make them a child of God because baptism replaced circumcision just as St. Paul stated. When a person or infant is baptized, he/she is either immersed in water (or water is sprinkled on their head), and the priest uses the "laying of hands" as he baptized in the name of Jesus. The Holy Spirit then comes down and declare "This is my son/daughter whom I am well pleased". This is Christ's baptism......not the way John baptized. The "laying of hands" is used during baptism, which brings about the Holy Spirit (See Acts 8:18, 1 Timothy 4:14, and Hebrews 6:2).

In the Old Testament, the circumcision of babies was a sign showing that they belong to the chosen people of God (See Genesis 17:11-14). Children who were eight days old were circumcised so that they belong to the chosen people of God (Israel). In the New Testament, baptism replaced circumcision and became the sign that those who were baptized belong to the family of God.

Colossians 2:11-12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

St. Paul compared circumcision with baptism, but it was a circumcision made without hands......a circumcision of Christ. This circumcision of Christ is baptism...the kind of baptism that Christ underwent at the Jordan River.....a baptism of water and spirit.

St. Peter knew that baptism can save because baptism came from God. All things that comes from God brings eternal life, which is salvation. Are you saying that those things that come from God cannot save??

Where do you get the idear that Jesus only died for past sins???.
You obviousley don't read my posts, Peter NEVER said be baptised for the remission of sins, The tranlator said that.
It is whe a person repents, That they receive the remission of sins, Lk 24: 47. Acts 2: 38, [In the proper text], Not when people are baptised.
Acts 2: 38, First REPENT, Second, Then you can be baptised, I'm glad you agree with that, So why say baptism remits sins??.

PLEASE NOTE, Rom 3: 5 DOESN'T say Jesus blood was ONLY for past sins.. DOES IT, You made that lie up.


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1 Jn 1: 7 says Jesus blood cleanses from ALL sins,

The TRUE early Christians DIDN'T baptise infants, That is another catholic lie, The early catholics might have done, But they are not Christians.
Infant baptism DOES NOT cleanses sins or make infants children of God, You won't find scriptures for that eroneous teaching.

Paul never says anything about sprinkling water on infants.

Baptism DID NOT replace circumcision, The rebirth replaced it, It is now the circumcision of the heart, Rom 2: 29. Col 2: 11--12.
The "Buried with Christ in baptsim", In Col 2: 11--12, Isn't talking about water baptism, As water baptism is only an outward sign of an ALREADY in ward experience of dying to self and rising with Christ.
You quote [Or I should say, Mis-quote] the Bible yet you don't believe it, Or even know it.


Peter knew baptism DIDN'T SAVE, Because he was baptised and he wasn't saved,
Plus he never said baptism remits sins in Acts 2: 38, If you knew the Greek, You would know there are Numbers, Subjects and persons, And they all have to agree in order to build a doctrine.. And in Acts 2: 38.,
"Repent ye", And "Ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost", Both agree in number and person.
But, "Be baptised everyone of you", DOES NOT agree with, Repent and the recieving of the Holy Ghost.

So Peter could not have said,be baptised for the remission of sins, Because one can only receive the Holy Ghost when their sins have been remited.
Plus, It either means, Repent for the remission of sins, Which rules out baptism, Or, Be baptised for the remision of sins, Which rules out Repentance, And everyone know we have to repent to have our sins remited. Lk 24: 47.

I gave scripture showing that it was for PAST sins that He died for. He did not die for present or future sins. If He died for present and future sins, then there would be no need for repentance. Therefore, repentance is important for your salvation. You become sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ AFTER you repent of your sins. Do not take Hebrews 10:10 out of context. Chapter 10 of Hebrews continues to tell you that if you deliberately sin, you can be condemned to Hell (See Hebrews 10:26-27).

No, You mis-quoted Rom 3: 25, GET IT RIGHT, As it doesn't say Jesus ONLY shed His blood and died for past sins..DOES IT??
NO. You made that lie up.

 

[Selene]

Selene you dont get it, Christ died once, He shed His blood once, He will never do it again, if you have not accepted what He has done than there is no forgivenes, as it says, repentance requires a blood sacrifrice, Jesus will not die for anyone again it is finsihed it is done it is over. How can He die again for your sins tomorrow if according to you the price is not paid, there is no more sacrifice for those, He paid the price once, not again.

Adam and Eve wher not" kicked out" of the garden of Eden, they where removed for their own good, our own good, can you imagine the state of the planet if they had eaten of the tree of life in their fallen state, they wouild live for ever and sin would abound for ever, somthing God could not allow. God is not some hateful spiteful man He is a loving Father.

In all His Love

Where in my post did I say that Christ died more than once? We all know that He died only once. The issue here is NOT how many times He died because we agree that He died only once. The issue here is, "Did He die for only the sins of the past or for past, present, and future sins?" That is the issue.

According to Romans, He died for the sins of the past. If he had died for all sins in the present and the future, then what is the purpose of repenting. The Bible calls us to confess and repent of our sins. Why should we confess and repent of our sins if Christ already forgave all sins in the past, present, and future?? The fact that the Bible tells us to confess and repent of our sins is already an indication that it is only the sins of the PAST that Christ forgave just as it says in the Bible.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

As for our sins that we commit in the present, the Bible says the following:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

As you can see from 1 John 1:9, if we want our PRESENT sins to be forgiven, we have to confess them and repent from them.

 

[Alanforchrist]

Where in my post did I say that Christ died more than once? We all know that He died only once. The issue here is NOT how many times He died because we agree that He died only once. The issue here is, "Did He die for only the sins of the past or for past, present, and future sins?" That is the issue.

According to Romans, He died for the sins of the past. If he had died for all sins in the present and the future, then what is the purpose of repenting. The Bible calls us to confess and repent of our sins. Why should we confess and repent of our sins if Christ already forgave all sins in the past, present, and future?? The fact that the Bible tells us to confess and repent of our sins is already an indication that it is only the sins of the PAST that Christ forgave just as it says in the Bible.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

As for our sins that we commit in the present, the Bible says the following:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

As you can see from 1 John 1:9, if we want our PRESENT sins to be forgiven, we have to confess them and repent from them.

PLEASE NOTE, Rom 3: 25 DOESN'T say that the blood of Jesus only cleanses past sins..DOES IT.
Paul is talking about being justified before God in coming to Jesus, See v 19--26 AND KEEP IT IN IT'S RIGHT CONTEXT.
1 Jn 1: 7. Says the blood of Jesus cleanses from ALL sins. Spell out this word A L L, What does it spell,??? ALL.

Stop twisting the truth.

Of cause Christian have to confess their sins to God and repent of them, Then the blood of Jesus puts us back in right standing with God.

 

[mjrhealth]

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

How can He forgive you of a sin where there is no price paid , His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sin, if there is no blood shed there is no forgiveness because the price has not being paid Again that would require Him to get back up on the cross and die for you again to shed His blood again for your sins, that is how it is, you would have Him do this everytime,

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself

Is that what you want Him to do, ??

In all His Love

 

[Selene]

PLEASE NOTE, Rom 3: 25 DOESN'T say that the blood of Jesus only cleanses past sins..DOES IT.
Paul is talking about being justified before God in coming to Jesus, See v 19--26 AND KEEP IT IN IT'S RIGHT CONTEXT.
1 Jn 1: 7. Says the blood of Jesus cleanses from ALL sins. Spell out this word A L L, What does it spell,??? ALL.

Stop twisting the truth.

Of cause Christian have to confess their sins to God and repent of them, Then the blood of Jesus puts us back in right standing with God.

Romans 3:25 DOES mention the blood of Christ and it DOES say the sins of the PAST.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

As for 1 John 1:7, look at what I emphasized and capitalized in bold:

1 John 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John is actually saying that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sins IF (and that's a big IF) we walk in the light and have fellowship with one another. John goes on to say in verse 9:

1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Notice again the "IF" in that verse. Thus, in order for the blood of Christ to cleanse you, you must first follow all the "IFs". Christ died for the sins of the PAST just as it says in the Bible. If you want the blood of Christ to apply to your PRESENT sins, then you must follow what the Bible tells you.....which is to follow the "IFs."

 

[mjrhealth]

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Jesus did it once for ever. You say He only made sarifce for past sins, so there is no sacrifice for your new sins, for He only made one, no more shall He sacrifice Himself for anyman, without an offering for sin your sin remains with you and you must pay the price, for there is no blood to wash you clean repentant or not.

In All His Love

Heb_9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[Wormwood]

Selene,

You are in error. Jesus died for sins past, present and future. The reason we can confess and repent of our sins and be forgiven is because the blood of Jesus is applied to those sins. This is not about things we have to do to be forgiven, but is about walking in faith in the righteousness of Christ. Repentance is a response of faith in the blood of Jesus. If a person drives off a cliff and dies before they were able to repent of a sin, they will not be condemned. John is attacking a budding form of Gnosticism in 1 John that Jesus came to give up special knowledge (gnosis). If you have that knowledge, it doesn't matter how you live because the flesh is evil and the spirit is good. John argues that Jesus came to make us righteous and those who are in relationship with him and have faith in his blood will continue to strive to walk as Jesus walked. This does not mean that the blood of Jesus is not applied. It means that the blood of Jesus and the work of the Spirit should develop in us a desire to be holy and turn from sin. However, our turning from sin is not what gives us grace. It is the blood of Jesus that provides the grace and forgiveness and our life of righteousness is an expression of faith in the power of his blood.

 

[Alanforchrist]

Romans 3:25 DOES mention the blood of Christ and it DOES say the sins of the PAST.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

As for 1 John 1:7, look at what I emphasized and capitalized in bold:

1 John 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John is actually saying that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sins IF (and that's a big IF) we walk in the light and have fellowship with one another. John goes on to say in verse 9:

1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Notice again the "IF" in that verse. Thus, in order for the blood of Christ to cleanse you, you must first follow all the "IFs". Christ died for the sins of the PAST just as it says in the Bible. If you want the blood of Christ to apply to your PRESENT sins, then you must follow what the Bible tells you.....which is to follow the "IFs."

[1]I never said Rom 3: 25 doesn't say the blood doesn't cleanse from past sins, I said it doesn't say it doesn't cleanse present and future sins, Because we know the blood does cleanse from all sin.

[2]Of cause we have to repent, confess our sins and walk in the light, If we wan, confess our sins t the blood of Jesus to cleanse us. 1 Jn 1: 7 & 9.

But you said the blood does cleanse from future sins., and I and the Bible say it does.

 

[Selene]

But you said the blood does cleanse from future sins., and I and the Bible say it does.

Where in my post did I say that Christ's blood cleanse future sins?? And where in the Bible does it specifically say that it cleanses "future" sins?

Selene,

You are in error. Jesus died for sins past, present and future. The reason we can confess and repent of our sins and be forgiven is because the blood of Jesus is applied to those sins. This is not about things we have to do to be forgiven, but is about walking in faith in the righteousness of Christ. Repentance is a response of faith in the blood of Jesus. If a person drives off a cliff and dies before they were able to repent of a sin, they will not be condemned. John is attacking a budding form of Gnosticism in 1 John that Jesus came to give up special knowledge (gnosis). If you have that knowledge, it doesn't matter how you live because the flesh is evil and the spirit is good. John argues that Jesus came to make us righteous and those who are in relationship with him and have faith in his blood will continue to strive to walk as Jesus walked. This does not mean that the blood of Jesus is not applied. It means that the blood of Jesus and the work of the Spirit should develop in us a desire to be holy and turn from sin. However, our turning from sin is not what gives us grace. It is the blood of Jesus that provides the grace and forgiveness and our life of righteousness is an expression of faith in the power of his blood.

Where in the Bible does it say that Christ died for "present" and "future" sins. I have shown you scripture saying that Christ's blood on the cross was for the sins of the PAST. In order for you to be walking in faith and in the righteousness of Christ......is to DO repentance just as the Bible say.

I agree with you when you say that repentance is a response to faith.....and that is why faith and works go together hand in hand. It is not by faith alone or by works alone.....but by BOTH faith and works together.


James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

 

[Wormwood]

Where in my post did I say that Christ's blood cleanse future sins?? And where in the Bible does it specifically say that it cleanses "future" sins?


Where in the Bible does it say that Christ died for "present" and "future" sins. I have shown you scripture saying that Christ's blood on the cross was for the sins of the PAST. In order for you to be walking in faith and in the righteousness of Christ......is to DO repentance just as the Bible say.

I agree with you when you say that repentance is a response to faith.....and that is why faith and works go together hand in hand. It is not by faith alone or by works alone.....but by BOTH faith and works together.


James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Selene,

Think about your argument. If Christ died only for "past" sins, then only those saints in the OT would have been covered. Of course his blood covers furture sins as they covered my sins 2000 years after his death. Now if you are suggesting that his blood only covers our sins once and that after we are saved his blood no longer applies but then a system of works comes into play, then I think this undermines the entire Gospel message. Christ died to save us, not merely give us a fresh start. Dont get me wrong, I believe you that we should live righteous lives, repent and confess our sins. I think this is necesssary for our salvation. However, these are the fruits of our salvation not the means of our salvation. There is a big difference here. Jesus did not come to exchange one law of works for another. He came to free us from the law and wed us to grace where no condemnation is found (see Romans 7-8). It is embracing this grace that allows the Spirit in us to transform our hearts and fill us with love for a life of holiness.

 

[Alanforchrist]

Where in my post did I say that Christ's blood cleanse future sins?? And where in the Bible does it specifically say that it cleanses "future" sins?


Where in the Bible does it say that Christ died for "present" and "future" sins. I have shown you scripture saying that Christ's blood on the cross was for the sins of the PAST. In order for you to be walking in faith and in the righteousness of Christ......is to DO repentance just as the Bible say.

I agree with you when you say that repentance is a response to faith.....and that is why faith and works go together hand in hand. It is not by faith alone or by works alone.....but by BOTH faith and works together.


James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Sorry, I meant to say, You said the blood of Jesus DOESN'T cleanse present or future sins,.
I missed the, n't of does, It should have been "Doesn't".

I have shown you where the Bible says the blood cleanses ALL sins, "All sins", Means present, future and ALL sins.

 

[Selene]

Selene,

Think about your argument. If Christ died only for "past" sins, then only those saints in the OT would have been covered. Of course his blood covers furture sins as they covered my sins 2000 years after his death. Now if you are suggesting that his blood only covers our sins once and that after we are saved his blood no longer applies but then a system of works comes into play, then I think this undermines the entire Gospel message. Christ died to save us, not merely give us a fresh start. Dont get me wrong, I believe you that we should live righteous lives, repent and confess our sins. I think this is necesssary for our salvation. However, these are the fruits of our salvation not the means of our salvation. There is a big difference here. Jesus did not come to exchange one law of works for another. He came to free us from the law and wed us to grace where no condemnation is found (see Romans 7-8). It is embracing this grace that allows the Spirit in us to transform our hearts and fill us with love for a life of holiness.

Yes, Christ died to save us so that death can no longer hold us prisoner just as it did the OT saints. That is what He saved us from. The gates of Heaven are now opened to us so that we can enter God's kingdom when we die. Did the OT saints go to Heaven when they died? No, their souls remain in the land of the dead. Abraham, Adam, Issac, Noah, and all the righteous of the OT lived in the land of the dead and could not enter Heaven. If Christ had not come 2000 years ago, we would also be in the land of the dead when we die.

Sorry, I meant to say, You said the blood of Jesus DOESN'T cleanse present or future sins,.
I missed the, n't of does, It should have been "Doesn't".

I have shown you where the Bible says the blood cleanses ALL sins, "All sins", Means present, future and ALL sins.

You are the one who interpret "ALL sins" to mean sins of the past, present, and future. "ALL sins" means all sins of the past??. Why? Because the Bible Did specify that Christ died for the sins of the PAST. And in order for our PRESENT sins to be forgiven, we have to do something.....which is to confess our sins and repent.

 

[Alanforchrist]

Yes, Christ died to save us so that death can no longer hold us prisoner just as it did the OT saints. That is what He saved us from. The gates of Heaven are now opened to us so that we can enter God's kingdom when we die. Did the OT saints go to Heaven when they died? No, their souls remain in the land of the dead. Abraham, Adam, Issac, Noah, and all the righteous of the OT lived in the land of the dead and could not enter Heaven. If Christ had not come 2000 years ago, we would also be in the land of the dead when we die.


You are the one who interpret "ALL sins" to mean sins of the past, present, and future. "ALL sins" means all sins of the past??. Why? Because the Bible Did specify that Christ died for the sins of the PAST. And in order for our PRESENT sins to be forgiven, we have to do something.....which is to confess our sins and repent.

Where does 1 Jn 1: 7, & v9, Says it is only past sins??.
What you have done is, Creat the gospel according to Selene, And replaced the Bible's gospel with it..

The blood of Jesus cleanses from ALL sins, Past present and future sins, Those which we have done, The one we are doing and the ones we will do in the future, As long as we repent and confess them to God.

 

[Selene]

Where does 1 Jn 1: 7, & v9, Says it is only past sins??.
What you have done is, Creat the gospel according to Selene, And replaced the Bible's gospel with it..

The blood of Jesus cleanses from ALL sins, Past present and future sins, Those which we have done, The one we are doing and the ones we will do in the future, As long as we repent and confess them to God.

1 John 1:7 and 9 are talking about PRESENT sins, and these present sins are NOT forgiven because St. John gave a stipulation.

1 John 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

St. John was speaking to people and referring to their present sins. He is telling them that their sins would be forgiven IF (and that's a big IF) they walk in the light and have fellowship with one another and if they confess their sins.......then noticed that after they do the IF, the Blood of Jesus Christ will cleanse them from all their sins. "ALL" in here is referring to their past and present sins that they confess.

You are only focusing on the words "all sins" and taking it out of context. You need to put it in context of what St. John is saying.