BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"
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Like I have said before, baptism that saves has to have the following elements: 1) there must be repentance (Acts 2:38) 2) it must be for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38) 3) It must be in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Acts 2:38; 1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 4:10-12). 4) there must be faith in the operation of the Lord (Colossians 2:12).
So if someone is just getting wet, the doctrine of baptisms that I am setting forth gives no one a false sense of security; for if someone gets baptized without all of these elements being present, they are just getting wet.
Let's try again with a different emphasis, so that you can see that your first statement in bold is a falsehood:
1 Peter 3:20-21
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The salvation that is wrought does not remove the filth of the flesh, but it does wash away sins, Acts of the Apostles 22:16.
And also it is a confession of Jesus Christ before men (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8) that will motivate the Lord to confess the one baptized before the Father and before the angels of God.
Can a person be saved apart from baptism? You bet. There is an absolute promise of salvation in Romans 10:8-13. Notice that this passage requires that we confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that He is risen from the dead. I believe that being baptized has the effect of producing this kind of faith in a person's heart if they are not sure that they have it. And calling on the name of the Lord also means confessing with the mouth; but I would not recommend for anyone to do this anonymously (see Matthew 13:20-21 (kjv), Luke 8:13) or without a sure faith in their hearts (as they may be fooling themselves if the faith is not there unto righteousness, Romans 10:10).
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As I said before, the fact that they were baptized by John had the effect of giving them a positive attitude towards faith in Jesus (see Luke 7:29-30).
The only reason why this faith didn't save them immediately was because Jesus had to go to the Cross for the Holy Spirit to be poured out (John 7:37-39, John 16:7); since the work of salvation is accomplished when Christ, through the Holy Spirit, comes to dwell within us (Revelation 3:20, John 1:12, Colossians 1:27, 2 Timothy 1:14, Ephesians 4:6). (see also Ephesians 4:4 and John 4:23-24).
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Yet it still couldnt save them, Faith in the works of Christ did. And now we are baptized in the Holy Ghost, when we believe. everything that was done when Christ walked this earth was temporary till His works where accomplished, than it went from the flesh and works to the Spirit and faith.
God bless
Yet it still couldnt save them, Faith in the works of Christ did. And now we are baptized in the Holy Ghost, when we believe. everything that was done when Christ walked this earth was temporary till His works where accomplished, than it went from the flesh and works to the Spirit and faith.
God bless
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I guess you missed it,
1Th_4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
first a prophecy
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
than at Christs resurrection,
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
how
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
And that is how they where too saved.
I guess you missed it,
1Th_4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
first a prophecy
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
than at Christs resurrection,
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
how
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
And that is how they where too saved.
I'm pretty certain that those who lived before the Cross were "saved" through faith in what was yet future to them; as the Old Testament testified clearly to the coming Messiah and what He would accomplish for them. They may not have been saved in the sense of having been given the Holy Ghost; but they were all saved in the sense that if they died and were righteous through faith in the coming Messiah, they went into Abraham's bosom and would be led as captivity captive out of that holding place into the kingdom of heaven; when Jesus would go down and preach to the spirits in prison.
I believe that one of the first words that John the Baptist testified of Jesus was "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world!" This was a reference to all the people that Jesus would be a lamb for a sin offering for all the people.
When they were baptized by John, it was a baptism of repentance; and it prepared the way for them to put faith in Jesus.
Those who were not baptized by him rejected the testimony of Jesus when He gave it (Luke 7:29-30).
It is the same today. People who have not been baptized are delineated by a certain hardness against the testimony that baptism saves through identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and as a confession of Jesus Christ before men (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).
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In atheistic Russia they used to say that being baptized would cause insanity.
It just goes to show that being baptized can make a difference in your life to the extent that the devil will want to slander you.
It just goes to show that being baptized can make a difference in your life to the extent that the devil will want to slander you.
Fact ~ Scripture written is for our Knowledge.
Fact ~ Understanding of Knowledge comes long after the Knowledge.
Fact ~ Knowledge comes from God.
Fact ~ Understanding comes from God.
Fact ~ Mankind has an option to Believe and Trust the Knowledge IS True .... or Not.
Fact ~ A man who Trusts to believe the Knowledge IS True, is being prepared to Receive Gods Understanding.
What IS a BODY, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
What IS a SOUL, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
What IS a SPIRIT, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
Mankinds Teaching, Preaching, routinely
IS BASED ON ...
Mankinds Word and Mankinds Understanding And BECOMES:
The students Understanding.
And the Students Foundation of his Belief,
Which the Student attempts to DEFEND to the Hilt.
Notice THE missing FACTS?
Gods Word and Gods Understanding.
ALL of Gods Word is Truth...period.
ALL of Gods Word "DOES NOT ALWAYS APPLY"
TO, every Single man.
The VERY BASIC common sense Understanding.... IS:
"IF" a particular TRUTH IN Scripture APPLIES to "YOU" the INDIVIDUAL....IT APPLIES
"TO YOU".... whether or not IT APPLIES to another!
THE CONUNDRUM:
Some men knows what applies to them.
Some men do not know what applies to them.
Some men do not speak of what applies to them.
Some MEN LIKE TO DICTATE what Scriptural Knowledge APPLIES to "ANOTHER MAN" SPECIFICALLY.....
when the "man" has already REVEALED, by his own testimony, THAT specific thing, DOES NOT APPLY TO "HIM."
The History of mankind is Revealed in Scripture.
WHAT God "provided" as "gifts" to ANCIENT MEN, "FOR Ancient men TO CHOOSE TO RECEIVE"...
ALSO APPLIES to MODERN MEN....
God Reveals GIFTS a man CAN Receive.
Men Decide "IF" they are WILLING "TO Receive" Gods GIFTS.....or NOT.
From the Beginning of "natural" Mankind, Until the Ending of "natural" Mankind...
The DIVISION God has ESTABLISHED...
IS men WHO WILL Choose TO receive His GIFTS...
FROM MEN
Who WILL Choose TO reject receiving His
GIFTS.
Every GIFT has "terms and conditions", be they From God or Worldly.
Which is to say....THE GIFT IS FREE...
However RECEIVING of THE GIFT, "requires" the RECEIVER TO AGREE with the "terms and conditions"....to BE a receiver OF the Gift.
Routinely we can observe MEN declaring they WANT "GIFTS" from GOD.....but are UNWILLING to ACCEPT..."the terms and conditions".
While WAVING the Terms and Conditions may be Acceptable to the WORLDS WAY.....
The Terms and Conditions of GODS WAY....are effected FOR ALL who choose TO receive His GIFTS.
Glory to God,
Taken
Fact ~ Understanding of Knowledge comes long after the Knowledge.
Fact ~ Knowledge comes from God.
Fact ~ Understanding comes from God.
Fact ~ Mankind has an option to Believe and Trust the Knowledge IS True .... or Not.
Fact ~ A man who Trusts to believe the Knowledge IS True, is being prepared to Receive Gods Understanding.
What IS a BODY, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
What IS a SOUL, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
What IS a SPIRIT, its LIFE, its PURPOSE ...
... IS mans misunderstanding.
Mankinds Teaching, Preaching, routinely
IS BASED ON ...
Mankinds Word and Mankinds Understanding And BECOMES:
The students Understanding.
And the Students Foundation of his Belief,
Which the Student attempts to DEFEND to the Hilt.
Notice THE missing FACTS?
Gods Word and Gods Understanding.
ALL of Gods Word is Truth...period.
ALL of Gods Word "DOES NOT ALWAYS APPLY"
TO, every Single man.
The VERY BASIC common sense Understanding.... IS:
"IF" a particular TRUTH IN Scripture APPLIES to "YOU" the INDIVIDUAL....IT APPLIES
"TO YOU".... whether or not IT APPLIES to another!
THE CONUNDRUM:
Some men knows what applies to them.
Some men do not know what applies to them.
Some men do not speak of what applies to them.
Some MEN LIKE TO DICTATE what Scriptural Knowledge APPLIES to "ANOTHER MAN" SPECIFICALLY.....
when the "man" has already REVEALED, by his own testimony, THAT specific thing, DOES NOT APPLY TO "HIM."
The History of mankind is Revealed in Scripture.
WHAT God "provided" as "gifts" to ANCIENT MEN, "FOR Ancient men TO CHOOSE TO RECEIVE"...
ALSO APPLIES to MODERN MEN....
God Reveals GIFTS a man CAN Receive.
Men Decide "IF" they are WILLING "TO Receive" Gods GIFTS.....or NOT.
From the Beginning of "natural" Mankind, Until the Ending of "natural" Mankind...
The DIVISION God has ESTABLISHED...
IS men WHO WILL Choose TO receive His GIFTS...
FROM MEN
Who WILL Choose TO reject receiving His
GIFTS.
Every GIFT has "terms and conditions", be they From God or Worldly.
Which is to say....THE GIFT IS FREE...
However RECEIVING of THE GIFT, "requires" the RECEIVER TO AGREE with the "terms and conditions"....to BE a receiver OF the Gift.
Routinely we can observe MEN declaring they WANT "GIFTS" from GOD.....but are UNWILLING to ACCEPT..."the terms and conditions".
While WAVING the Terms and Conditions may be Acceptable to the WORLDS WAY.....
The Terms and Conditions of GODS WAY....are effected FOR ALL who choose TO receive His GIFTS.
Glory to God,
Taken
You said;
I disagreed.
Did you go search the Scriptures to FIND "the obvious" you were teaching....to Support your teaching with the Word of God? No.
Jesus sent and sends forth Disciples to Teach men HOW TO BECOME Baptized in the Holy Spirit, and the PURPOSE of a man receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and what is the RESULT of a man receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Glory to God,
Taken
I agree.
Of course, the scriptures are a testimony to all men and do not only apply to some and not to others.
Everyone is accountable to the word of God...Romans 3:19-20.
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I showed the scriptural support quite clearly; but you chose to remain oblivious to the evidence.
"Goes to show" ....
"Showing", is what a natural man can SEE.
"Realizing", is what a natural man, already Converted, can Understand.
Point being...to your comment.
A Converted man, absolutely EXPECTS, the WORLD to;
Hate him, reject him, call him insane, unjustly accuse him, fabricate lies against him, unjustly punish him, and on and on.
WHY?
Because EVERY man WHO accepts Gods Gift of SALVATION has agreed to the terms and conditions of DRINKING from the SAME CUP that Jesus drank of.
What was IN Jesus' CUP?
The World's "INDIGNATION".
Which is to say....If one DRINKS from the SAME CUP Jesus Drank... EXPECT...
INDIGNATION ... From the World.
IF a man HAS received the Gift of the Holy Spirit.....EXPECT to have the INTERNAL Power of God...and the Comforting Power of God..
TO Combat Against the Worlds Indignation.
Glory to God,
Taken
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Point being...ALL Scripture IS True.
Men can choose to Believe that...or not.
Thus there IS a Division among men.
Point being...Some men Accept Gods Gifts.
Some men DO NOT Accepts Gods Gifts...
Thus there IS a Division among men.
Some scriptures SPEAK to MEN who Accept Gods Word, Gods Truths, Gods Gifts...
Thus Particular Scriptures APPLY to them, while other Scriptures DO NOT APPLY to them.
Some scriptures SPEAK to MEN who Reject
Gods Word, Gods Truths, Gods Gifts...
Thus Particular Scriptures APPLY to them, while other Scriptures DO NOT APPLY to them.
Thus there IS a Division in Scripture of WHAT DOES apply to one man, and Not another.
To rightly DIVIDE the Word as Scripture itself teaches....the Individual Knows what he believes, has accepted, has rejected...and thus the BY what the individual HAS accepted, HAS rejected.... the Word of God, that APPLIES to THAT individual IS manifested.
Absolutely. All the world SHALL Hear...the very PURPOSE Converted disciples ARE sent forth to Speak the Word of God.
What men CHOOSE TO DO after Hearing the Word of God....is ON THEM...as you quoted...
Their accountability, IS accounted TO THEM.
It shall be EVIDENCE, either FOR or AGAINST them, on the Day of Judgement.
There can be no JUST JudgeMENT, without evidence.
There can be no JUST Sentencing, without a JudgeMENT.
God IS JUST.
Glory to God,
Taken
No, you showed NOTHING saying Peter baptized with water.
You assumed, but the scripture did not say that.
More study reveals, Jesus was sending disciples out into the world for other men to Learn about and Receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, not Water Baptism.
Churches continue Water Baptism, "for the benefit of the Congregation to SEE "something".
But in fact, men are Baptized with the Holy Spirit according to Gods WAY, that has nothing to DO with being dipped in Water.
If you read ancient Biblical History, you would find Gods contempt for men who received His Word, which was not satisfactory for men....
Until they could SEE SOMETHING...that a man could hang on as PROOF of Gods Word being true.
Glory to God,
Taken
The scriptures apply to all men; even and especially those who REJECT God's word. They will be held accountable for and will be judged because they rejected it. You seem to think that if someone rejects the word of the Lord, they will not be judged/condemned. Scripture actually teaches the opposite.
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized <in the Holy Ghost, invisibly> or <in water, visibly>"
"And 3,000 souls were added to them that day."
How did they know there were 3,000 souls? How did they count them? And when did they count them? (my questions to you).
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Also, it neither says that they were baptized in water nor that they were baptized in the Holy Ghost.
So it could have been either one.
And therefore you cannot say with 100% certainty that they were not baptized in water in the passage.
So it could have been either one.
And therefore you cannot say with 100% certainty that they were not baptized in water in the passage.
And to add to this: scripture interprets scripture: and in 1 Peter 3:20-21 (pay special attention to the latter end of verse 20) Peter tells us under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost that water baptism doth also now save us.
