Marymog
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Thank you. At no time did I, as you have accused me of doing, add the word baptism to John 3:1-6. If I did, please quote me and tell me what post it is in.***
You reolied with "Here [John 3:5] Christ is speaking of Baptism, of real and natural water such as a cow may drink. . . . Here Christ also speaks of the Holy Spirit and teaches us to regard Baptism as a spiritual, yes, a Spirit-filled water, in which the Holy Spirit is present and active.
More words that are not in John 3:1-6.
I agree that the word of God is not to be tampered with. But you can not see that when you add the word baptism to what it says in John 3:1-6 you are tampering with it.
Water did not save Noah. The ark did. The water was God's judgement of death. All who were in the water died. The ark represents Jesus Christ because all that are in Him will be saved.
You really ought to read the Bible for what it says and not what you want it to say.
2 Cor 1:19-22
19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us-- by me, Silvanus, and Timothy-- was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes.
20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.
21 Now He who establishes us with you ""in Christ"" and has anointed us is God,
22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
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I look at the words ""in Christ"" and think of them in reference to Noah and the flood.
Noah was told by God to build an Ark. It was built by human hands (Noah’s hands). The waters of God‘s wrath in the flood did not touch Noah and those with him. Noah, by his choice, obeyed God and went into the Ark he had built. --- The waters of the flood were the judgment of God on a sinful world full of sinful people. That does not mean that Noah was sinless. It means Noah believed what God told him.
Today there is another Ark. It is “”NOT”” built by human hands. It is built by the hands (will) of God. - Man can not go into the Ark that God has built by his own efforts (will). He must be placed in God’s Ark (Jesus) by God (the Holy Spirit). God places a person in the Ark (Jesus) He built when that person places their faith, trust and confidence in Jesus’ work on the cross to save him/her. -- This Ark that God has built carries those in it safely over the sins “THEY” commit in their flesh. Their sins can not touch them since they have been atoned (paid) for by the blood of Jesus on the cross.
Jesus Christ is OUR ARK, and just as those in Noah's Ark were kept from the waters of the flood, we who are placed ""in Christ,"" by God, and are kept from the judgment of the law. If we are not ""in Christ"" the law condemns us.
I believe what Paul said when he penned the words ""in Christ."" I also believe that we are placed ""in Christ"" by God. It is an operation of the Holy Spirit (God).
Scripture says opposite of what you believe: because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Scripture is equating WATER BAPTISM saving us just like WATER SAVED Noah and his family.....I am not making that equation.
Think of it this way H. Richard: If Noah built the Ark and the water (flood) never came then he and his family would have eventually exited the Ark and been back in the same EVIL FILLED WORLD that they were in before. Therefore it was not The Ark that saved them it was IN FACT the water that saved them (and the future of humanity) because THE WATER was used to WASH AWAY all the sinful people. The WATER was used to SAVE Noah and his family just like it is used to SAVE you in baptism (1Peter 3:20-21).
There is NOTHING in the entire chapter of 2 Corinthins 1 that has ANYTHING to do with BAPTISM or NOAH or WATER......Who is teaching you how to read scripture??? How do you equate it with Noah, water and baptism?????
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