Bible alone!

[amigo de christo]

Correct. Faith that is alone, having no works, is not the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. That's why faith that is alone can not save a person—it's not the faith that justifies all by itself. If it was, it would produce works in that person.

Ultimately, a person's lack of works shows that they do not have the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. Just as the presence of works shows a person does have the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works.

yes , when one has been born again the Spirit shows the works of God through that person . True faith in Christ .
Ye cannot even truly call Him LORD without the Spirit . You are saved by grace . Its all about FAITH in CHRIST .
From that all else would spring forth and wonderful good works will be seen by a new creature . A workmanship created in Christ
unto the glory of God . Let us all deeply realize that we are saved by Faith in JESUS the one who does save .
Let us continue , by the Spirit to exhort with all sound doctrine in that bible , all reminders which feed and edify the soul
of a lamb . All the apostels had the SPIRIT and by that Spirit they would remind those peoples to be doing good and fleeing
all appearance of evil . The true leaders would be grave , sincere , long built up in the Faith , by which they can truly help others .
It truly is all about the wonderous life saving and life changing grace of GOD which is given us IN JESUS CHRIST .
So let us continue to flood all places with all biblical reminders .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

that you is the apostles who are commanded to teach the people
And the people obey them as Christ commanded Matt 28:19-20

As I've shown, I'm not in disagreement with this (Ephesians 4:11). What we disagree with is somehow the corrupt Catholic church is a legitimate fulfillment of Matthew 28:19-20.

When someone steps in and says, "I'll discern the truth for you, you can not do that" you know you're dealing with leaders that God did not send. That's the earmark of a cult that wants to get in between you and God and control you for their benefit, not yours.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

no cos Thee faith don’t recognize it

If you say the Catholic Church is Christ's body, and you ain't in that church, you're saying you're not saved.

 

[GEN2REV]

you cannot do this

you have no priesthood
No sacrifice
No holy communion
No life grace or salvation

TF, you're very passionate about YOUR Church and the way THEY do things and what THEY say is right and proper in Christianity.

Has anybody ever told you about the unthinkable atrocities committed by YOUR church for the past TWO THOUSAND years?

Have you read Foxes Book of Martyrs?
or Children, Sexual Abuse, and the Catholic Church?
or Lead Us Not Into Temptation: Catholic Priests and the Sexual Abuse of Children?

How do you account for that? How do you justify 100's of THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Bible Believing Christians slaughtered and tortured TO DEATH, not to mention the literally COUNTLESS children abused in unspeakable ways historically reported all the way back to the 11th Century?

Do you really expect anybody here to take your perspective seriously when you come with such passion about an organization like that?

Here are YOUR words:

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.
This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Seriously? And you claim this is THE Church, God's Church?

 

[theefaith]

They did that. What's to explain?
They're teaching the people of God to this day through the pages of our Bibles.

They are commanded to do that until he returns

 

[theefaith]

Technically, all believers are in the priestly service of God (1 Peter 2:5). But for the sake of your argument for hierarchy in the church, our priesthood is every believer among us called to an Ephesians 4:17 office. For example, Paul refers to his work as an apostle and evangelist as a priestly duty:

"...because of the grace God has given me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God..." Romans 15:15-16​

Jesus is our Sacrifice...

"For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed." 1 Corinthians 5:7

"we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10​

We observe the Communion commemoration passed down to believers:

"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes." 1 Corinthians 11:23-26​

Yes, we believers have those, too. Whoever believes in Jesus has that:

Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him...
And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." 1 John 5:10-11​

the royal priesthood of Christians not believers is NOT a ministerial priesthood

 

[theefaith]

So you Catholics are divided up like the Protestants?

No heretics are outside the church but may appear as good catholics

 

[theefaith]

You still don't understand. The message comes to us via teachers, and prophets, and evangelists, etc. We don't write our own doctrines. What we have is our own ability to discern who's message is truth and who's is not. This ability is in us via the Holy Spirit. That's what 1 John 2:20 and 1 John 2:26-27 teaches us.

In the old covenant the people of God were helplessly at the mercy of corrupt leadership telling them what is truth and what is not. Ezekiel prophesied of the day when the Lord Himself would shepherd His flock and rescue His people from the corruption of the old covenant system of shepherd and sheep (Ezekiel 34:11-16). We Protestants know that we are no longer at the mercy of false leaders, like you are in the Catholic church. If we encounter a false Ephesians 4:17 minister we can walk away and find one who is not false. You can't. You HAVE to endure their falseness. You aren't allowed to discern or resist the church's decision of who will hold a spiritual office over you. You have not been rightly taught by your leadership that you do not have to submit to such a corrupt system. We have been taught that. We understand our ability and our right to exercise our God given power of discernment. Catholics don't, because their leaders told them they don't have that ability and right. Can you see the tragic irony in that?

you said the Bible?

People who can’t read can’t do the Bible thing

 

[GEN2REV]

No heretics are outside the church but may appear as good catholics

Why did the Vatican sign a pact with Hitler before the Holocaust?

Just wondered if you knew. Kinda thought that was strange.

 

[theefaith]

As I've shown, I'm not in disagreement with this (Ephesians 4:11). What we disagree with is somehow the corrupt Catholic church is a legitimate fulfillment of Matthew 28:19-20.

When someone steps in and says, "I'll discern the truth for you, you can not do that" you know you're dealing with leaders that God did not send. That's the earmark of a cult that wants to get in between you and God and control you for their benefit, not yours.

only the apostles have the guarantee of the HS to be free from error Jn 8:32 16:13

 

[theefaith]

If you say the Catholic Church is Christ's body, and you ain't in that church, you're saying you're not saved.

not what I said

 

[theefaith]

TF, you're very passionate about YOUR Church and the way THEY do things and what THEY say is right and proper in Christianity.

Has anybody ever told you about the unthinkable atrocities committed by YOUR church for the past TWO THOUSAND years?

Have you read Foxes Book of Martyrs?
or Children, Sexual Abuse, and the Catholic Church?
or Lead Us Not Into Temptation: Catholic Priests and the Sexual Abuse of Children?

How do you account for that? How do you justify 100's of THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Bible Believing Christians slaughtered and tortured TO DEATH, not to mention the literally COUNTLESS children abused in unspeakable ways historically reported all the way back to the 11th Century?

Do you really expect anybody here to take your perspective seriously when you come with such passion about an organization like that?

Here are YOUR words:


Seriously? And you claim this is THE Church, God's Church?

fox was nothing but lies
Only Christians can be martyrs not believers who are only catechumens

what about the great number of Catholics murdered by the so called reformation especially in cruel in England

The abuse is cos of the modernist apostates not faithful Roman Catholics

The union of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin!

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[theefaith]

These are typical assertions and accusations of the black legend

 

[theefaith]

Why did the Vatican sign a pact with Hitler before the Holocaust?

Just wondered if you knew. Kinda thought that was strange.

you mean before the war?
To guarantee the rights of Catholics in Germany

like most countries

 

[GEN2REV]

fox [Foxe's Book of Martyrs] was nothing but lies

Evidence?

what about the great number of Catholics murdered by the so called reformation especially in cruel in England

Roughly 300 Catholics killed around the time of the reformation, 50 MILLION Bible Believing Christians killed during the Inquisition. Hmmm … yeah, that makes sense.

The abuse is cos of the modernist apostates not faithful Roman Catholics

Whatever you want to call them to distance them from THE Church, they were all (countless over the centuries) brought up in THEE FAITH.

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues!

No, the abuses of children are without number and go back to at least the 11th century when the first historical reports are recorded. All of the modern mainstream Protestant churches of today are of the Catholic Church now and have been for many decades. They are all corrupt.

theefaith, would you find any fault in your church if they were to worship demons below the Vatican? Would that be a crime you would consider to be unacceptable and cause you to question the sincerity of your denomination as a whole? We are speaking of the Leaders of your Church.

 

[amadeus]

the royal priesthood of Christians not believers is NOT a ministerial priesthood

Ministers are very simply servants. When anyone comes to the Lord, he is supposed to be a servant and thus a minister.

Ministers in the biblical sense, I believe, are servants. Two different words with the same meaning.

You need to define your terms instead of presuming that everyone here has the same understanding of words that you do.

Then again you mix most everything up when you name yourself as Catholic but deny the authority of the hierarchy under the Pope Francis. You speak of there being apostles today, who are supposedly the successors of Peter, who walked with Jesus 2,000 years ago. If not Francis, then who is it that you look to as an apostle today?

Without explaining it more clearly, why do you expect people who have never been Catholic or who, like myself, have been gone from formal Catholicism for many years to jump on your bandwagon?

 

[amadeus]

only the apostles have the guarantee of the HS to be free from error Jn 8:32 16:13

You still have not explained who are apostles today, if Pope Francis and those under him are not.

 

[GEN2REV]

you mean before the war?
To guarantee the rights of Catholics in Germany

like most countries

1000's of letters from Jews to Pope Pius XII during the Holocaust have been recently discovered. These people begged for help and political influence to stop the atrocities of the Holocaust. To which there was no response and not a finger lifted in assistance to the matter.

So the Pope signs a Pact with Hitler before the Holocaust and ignores all pleas for help from the civilians being deported and murdered after the fact.

Just to be clear.

 

[amadeus]

If you say the Catholic Church is Christ's body, and you ain't in that church, you're saying you're not saved.

Where then is Babylon? Where then is confusion?

 

[theefaith]

Evidence?
Roughly 300 Catholics killed around the time of the reformation, 50 MILLION Bible Believing Christians killed during the Inquisition. Hmmm … yeah, that makes sense.
Whatever you want to call them to distance them from THE Church, they were all (countless over the centuries) brought up in THEE FAITH.

No, the abuses of children are without number and go back to at least the 11th century when the first historical reports are recorded. All of the modern mainstream Protestant churches of today are of the Catholic Church now and have been for many decades. They are all corrupt.

theefaith, would you find any fault in your church if they were to worship demons below the Vatican? Would that be a crime you would consider to be unacceptable and cause you to question the sincerity of your denomination as a whole? We are speaking of the Leaders of your Church.

would not surprise me I’m sure they do Satan worship

Our lady’s prophecy in 19th century Rome (the Vatican) will lose thee faith and become the seat of the Antichrist

our lady prophecy at Fatima 1917 only Portugal shall keep the dogma of the faith