Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[amigo de christo]

Quick English lesson. "but in every nation" contains a prepositional phrase. "nations" is the object of the preposition. The subject of the sentence "He that works righteousness" is "He". It's not "talking to the nations" it is saying that anyone in any nation that works righteousness is accepted. The context is the numerous works that Cornelius did in giving alms and praying. Of course, He still had to hear the gospel

lets finish that last sentence . OF course , he had to still hear the gospel and believe TO BE SAVED .
unless you want to call peter a liar when he was explaining WHY
he had went into the house of a gentile . You need to read the bible more .
Read the next chapter after TEN
Read eleven where peter was being rebuked by the apostels for having went into the house of a gentile .
Many are now desiring the lie of all lies
that implies one is saved whether he beleives or dont beleive. A FAT LIE .
And it is of ANTI CHRIST . i dont care if anti christs can call it love . IT ANT LOVE and IT AINT OF GOD .
TIME TO BELEIVE and TIME TO REMIND ALL about the dire NEED TO BELEIVE .

 

[amigo de christo]

In order to fear the Lord one must first of all believe on Him. This is not talking about unbelieving Gentiles, but believing.

Notice how fast epi forget about the next chapter .
Wherein peter went up to jerusalem again and had to explain WHY he had went into the house of a gentile .
And what Had GOD told cornelious .
Call for peter , he shall tell thee what you must do .
And later in eleven , peter uses
to hear the word whereby he and his house COULD BE SAVED . COULD BE SAVED .
I TOLD YOU that epi BELEIVES INCLUISVISM .
THEY all preach anti christ now sister . they dont realize it .
THE dire need to BELEIVE ON JESUS , satan decieved folks just like he did eve at the tree .
HAS GOD REALLY SAID
Satan dont give a rip what one does
SO LONG as that one DONT BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
AND he uses many men who can quoate the gospel
BUT then turn around and imply OH but its okay if one dont beleive .
JUST like satan . HE can say JESUS is the savoir of the world but he will then say OH BUT you dont have to BELEIVE THIS to be saved .
HE IS A LIAR . satans desire IS to silence the one true gospel that entails one MUST BELIEVE .
THAT is his mission . But always remember
IF JESUS said IT , GOD SAID IT and GOD CANNOT LIE . eve bouth the lie , OH SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE
IT seems today more and more buy the lie
OH surely ye shant perish IF YE BELEIVE NOT . JESUS SAID THEY WOULD . JESUS said THEY WOULD BE DAMEND .
JESUS SAID YE MUST BELEIVE , AND SO DID the aposetls . BUT NO , NOT EPI , NO he has great
wisdom , SO WISE is epi HE knows MORE THAN GOD and CHRIST . OR SO HE THINKS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Some Jews and some Greeks......is not universal. And only God knows how many of those had the kind of faith that pleases Him, like Abraham and other OT saints.

Epi has much zeal for preaching UNBELIEF sister .
T hat is a total bad sign .
I tried to warn us this man preaches and beleives in another gospel
one based NOT ON FAITH IN CHRIST , BELEIF IN CHRIST
but based soley on ones works . AND wow DID HE NOT bring this out . IT SURFACED FOR ALL TO SEE .

 

[marks]

Amen! In regard to Acts 10:35, working righteousness is the result of having been saved through faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5), but works of righteousness in connection with salvation are the fruit of, but not the means of obtaining salvation. God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness from a right principle, and to a right end, yet their fear of Him and working righteousness are not the origin of their acceptance; but are to be considered as 'descriptive' of the persons, who are accepted by Him in Christ. We must not confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:35) with "prescriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:43). We must rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) The question here is whether God's favor is made available to Jews only or is now available to Gentiles also (those in every nation who fear Him and work righteousness/does what is right) which Peter learned in his vision in Acts 10.

Peter said early on that God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness, even from Gentile nations. God would have to overlook their sin, but He give Himself that opportunity in declaring that sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5)

But you cannot just leave it there. I know, so-called episkopos claims this is now, but maybe if he gave more then a cursory look at the New Testament, instead of just reading to gain ammunition against others, but to actually learn the truth, he may find that once again he is teaching falsely.

Plainly stated, this was changed.

Acts 17:30-31 KJV
30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

So yes, once God overlooked men's sins, but to claim so now is false. All must come to Jesus. And just like Cornelius, God knows how to accomplish this.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

What you can take credit for is the logical fallacies you perpetrate about the bible.

1.) God became a man to give righteousness to a sinner, "by faith".

This is God's "GRACE.......through Faith".

This is "the rightoeusness of Faith'.........that is "Justification BY Faith".. "without works or deeds of the Law".

This is : Your "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Imputed Righteousness"

This is '""Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto Him (by God) as : RIGHTEOUSNESS".

2.) Salvation, begins with forgiveness of Sin through the Cross of Christ, that YOU Deny @Episkopos........and following forgiveness, God's Holy Spirit birth's the Believer's spirit as "born again".

So, now this person has received From God....

1. The Gift of Salvation

2,) The Gift of Eternal Life

3.) The Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS....

3.) Being Born agian establishes the Believer, as "The Righteousness of God, IN Christ".

Righteousness is found '"IN CHRIST"....and every born again CHRISTian, is '"IN Christ".

Every born again Christian, has been "made Righteous".

Every born again Christian, has received "the imputed righterous"... @Episkopos

 

[shepherdsword]

lets finish that last sentence . OF course , he had to still hear the gospel and believe TO BE SAVED .
unless you want to call peter a liar when he was explaining WHY
he had went into the house of a gentile . You need to read the bible more .
Read the next chapter after TEN
Read eleven where peter was being rebuked by the apostels for having went into the house of a gentile .
Many are now desiring the lie of all lies
that implies one is saved whether he beleives or dont beleive. A FAT LIE .
And it is of ANTI CHRIST . i dont care if anti christs can call it love . IT ANT LOVE and IT AINT OF GOD .
TIME TO BELEIVE and TIME TO REMIND ALL about the dire NEED TO BELEIVE .

I agree...one must believe

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[GracePeace]

Here is a typical case of an ideology based on a misunderstood verse or verses making one reject the words of God...and all wisdom. As if what is rejected isn't stated over and over again in many places. Oh wait, didn't the builders also reject the chief corner Stone? Was Jesus and what He taught about inheriting life through obeying the commandments...just an "extra" ? Are His words also there by mistake?

So what do you call your religion?

On the flip side, it is possible to have a correct doctrine but an incorrect application, and vice versa : it may very well be that those who deny justification by works on that Day have the result that they remain at peace by honoring Christ's sacrifice, and, so, they reap the benefits of grace (whereby good works, whereby they will be justified, are done), but people who affirm the very obvious doctrine that we will be justified by works (ie, if we have God's righteousness by grace--"I was abundant in labors above them all yet not I but the grace with me", etc, "'God Is Our Righteousness'") could be made fearful, which is like unbelief (because the message is that we're not under God's wrath, He's not mad, if we believe, but we have passed from death to life, acceptability and approval) which results in, to this or that degree, the loss of grace (and, to this or that degree, God's righteousness).

 

[GracePeace]

@Episkopos

On the flip side, it is possible to have a correct doctrine but an incorrect application, and vice versa : it may very well be that those who deny justification by works on that Day have the result that they remain at peace by honoring Christ's sacrifice, and, so, they reap the benefits of grace (whereby good works, whereby they will be justified, are done), but people who affirm the very obvious doctrine that we will be justified by works (ie, if we have God's righteousness by grace--"I was abundant in labors above them all yet not I but the grace with me", etc, "'God Is Our Righteousness'") could be made fearful, which is like unbelief (because the message is that we're not under God's wrath, He's not mad, if we believe, but we have passed from death to life, acceptability and approval) which results in, to this or that degree, the loss of grace (and, to this or that degree, God's righteousness).

The best case scenario, of course, is that we hold both the correct doctrine, and the correct application, but that isn't always the case.

 

[Episkopos]

Ro 2:6-16 says eternal life depends on whether you are justified (which depends on your works) on that Day : are you saying can be saved AND condemned (not justified) and not repaid eternal life but wrath on that Day? I thought salvation was FROM His righteous wrath on unrighteousness.

You are wrong and have adhered to a strange religion. Jesus came to save us from our sins. He came to the flesh to save us from the flesh. He came to give us the grace to walk in His resurrection life...without spot or wrinkle of sin. To overcome as He did...modeling perfection in the mortal body. When we put on Christ we put on HIS perfection and holiness. As such we have a renewed intimacy with God relationally. God is holy. In His presence is holiness.

 

[Episkopos]

On the flip side, it is possible to have a correct doctrine but an incorrect application, and vice versa : it may very well be that those who deny justification by works on that Day have the result that they remain at peace by honoring Christ's sacrifice,

Jesus doesn't receive honour from men. This is not about appreciating Jesus...but obeying Him.

and, so, they reap the benefits of grace (whereby good works, whereby they will be justified, are done), but people who affirm the very obvious doctrine that we will be justified by works (ie, if we have God's righteousness by grace--"I was abundant in labors above them all yet not I but the grace with me", etc, "'God Is Our Righteousness'") could be made fearful, which is like unbelief (because the message is that we're not under God's wrath, He's not mad, if we believe, but we have passed from death to life, acceptability and approval) which results in, to this or that degree, the loss of grace (and, to this or that degree, God's righteousness).

You have a warped view of atonement. To atone is to purge and purify...not to hide sins away.

 

[Episkopos]

Epi has much zeal for preaching UNBELIEF sister .
T hat is a total bad sign .
I tried to warn us this man preaches and beleives in another gospel
one based NOT ON FAITH IN CHRIST , BELEIF IN CHRIST
but based soley on ones works . AND wow DID HE NOT bring this out . IT SURFACED FOR ALL TO SEE .

1. The bible does not condone religious belief...as in...the demons believe and do tremble. The false gospel you embrace is about having a religious ideology absent of any life or truth.

2. I preach a risen Christ...I think you can maybe read a little but your heart is bad. Again we believe INTO Christ for a full victory over sin. Your false gospel claims a sinful holiness, on which the wrath of God will be revealed. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Will you repent from preaching "another gospel"?

3. You also slander the bible itself. Nowhere in the bible does it say that we will be judged by our beliefs or doctrines. We will be judged on what we did....the KIND of works that were done. God is not fooled. A powerless gospel spreads the flesh and evil under the banner of Christ. No wonder so many are rejected. Is there any faith or fear in your stance? None at all. It's easy to discern your motivation as being fully carnal and deceiving. You have the same beliefs as the evil ones and no other redeeming qualities. The devil seeks division based on doctrines...but God divides the people with His truth...which is eternal.

4. What I write is for all to see. Most modern religious folk can't understand what I say and twist my words the same way they twist what is written in the bible.

5. All you do is attack and condemn what is clearly way over your head. I write out WHY I say what I do. You think your opinions carry more weight than the bible...as so many here so.

 

[GracePeace]

You are wrong and have adhered to a strange religion. Jesus came to save us from our sins. He came to the flesh to save us from the flesh. He came to give us the grace to walk in His resurrection life...without spot or wrinkle of sin. To overcome as He did...modeling perfection in the mortal body. When we put on Christ we put on HIS perfection and holiness. As such we have a renewed intimacy with God relationally. God is holy. In His presence is holiness.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Would you clarify?

 

[Episkopos]

lets finish that last sentence . OF course , he had to still hear the gospel and believe TO BE SAVED .

Such confusion over religious terminology.

Cornelius was seen as righteous BEFORE learning about Christ.

He is an example of a righteous man being made perfect in Christ. This is so far beyond your understanding.

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men (the righteous) made perfect,

The gospel is about perfection and glory, not inheriting life after you die. Even the OT saints had that salvation beforehand. Read the righteousness statements from GOD (not men) in EZ. 18, and EZ 33. Are there any bible readers out there? Any Bereans?

unless you want to call peter a liar when he was explaining WHY
he had went into the house of a gentile . You need to read the bible more .
Read the next chapter after TEN

False. Cornelius was admitted into holiness...a salvation FROM SIN. The righteous sin, but saints do not.

Read eleven where peter was being rebuked by the apostels for having went into the house of a gentile .
Many are now desiring the lie of all lies
that implies one is saved whether he beleives or dont beleive. A FAT LIE .

Again with the "other gospel". The demons believe ABOUT Jesus...as you do. But the faith of Christ is to believe INTO Jesus. It is to walk in His resurrection life...not a "saved" status. God is NOT a respecter of persons or status. And because of that, your statements are bogus.

And it is of ANTI CHRIST . i dont care if anti christs can call it love . IT ANT LOVE and IT AINT OF GOD .
TIME TO BELEIVE and TIME TO REMIND ALL about the dire NEED TO BELEIVE .

More appeal to a religious flesh. We are to put to death the DEEDS of the flesh...including your unbelief..by the power of the Spirit.

The irony here is that you actually preach an unbelief in the true gospel by undermining it with a simply believe ABOUT Jesus, rather than being empowered by His life. What did Jesus teach about building on a rock? The false gospel is that the rock is Jesus and all you have to do is believe about Him. But Jesus said that the rock was DOING the commandments...not being hearers and believers only.

Beliefs without works is dead. Real faith gets you translated into the kingdom realm to walk as Jesus walked. But there I go again, trying to speak truth to a religiously confused person.

 

[GracePeace]

Jesus doesn't receive honour from men.

Not sure why you would say I concluded that that was something He sought--God commands men to believe, so trust in Christ pleases God.

This is not about appreciating Jesus...but obeying Him.

Right, believing in the Name of God's Son is a command, and it pleases God when people do it, and we know this bc it's how people (eg, Cornelius) receive the Spirit, (only those who obey His commands abide in Him and are afforded His Spirit 1 John 3:23,24).

You have a warped view atonement. To atone is to purge and purify...not to hide sins away.

When did I discuss my view on atonement, and when did I deny He "takes away the sins of the world"?

 

[Episkopos]

I agree...one must believe

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Believe INTO??? or just believe religiously?

The faith OF Christ is miraculous in every way. The smallest amount of HIS faith gets us translated to walk in the kingdom realm in Zion. Is that the faith you say we must have? Peter walked on water by the faith OF Christ.

But people here think God is ok with a sinful holiness and all you need to do is believe in (not into) Jesus, like the demons do.

Faith is very very rare now. I speak of faith and no one seems to understand what the faith OF Christ is. Before faith came..Paul says...we were all shut up under the law, walking as mere humans under the influence of sin.

But Jesus came to set us free from the flesh and the pull of this world. In Him is no sin. My voice is silenced at every opportunity. But the truth will shine like a bright morning day in the hearts of those who hear the words of God and actually believe them (not just believe in them)

if I sound nit-picky it's due to the fact that the flesh corrupts the truth by nit-picking it's way from the truth into lies. In order to draw attention to the heresy it will sound like I'm nit-picking ....what has already been nit-picked away.

 

[marks]

But people here think God is ok with a sinful holiness and all you need to do is believe in (not into) Jesus, like the demons do.

Wholesale slander. Hmmm . . . who else is known for his slander? Can you think of someone?

 

[Episkopos]

Wholesale slander. Hmmm . . . who else is known for his slander? Can you think of someone?

Define believe....what happens when one "believes"

I expose the flesh...you slander .. What comes from the flesh is flesh.

 

[Episkopos]

Because the modern gospel destroys the counsel of God, the truth in the scriptures is either ignored or mocked. Unless the gospel lines up with God's words then it is false. Notice...


4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.


5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just (righteous), he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.
10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?


30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.


31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

 

[marks]

Define believe....what happens when one "believes"

I expose the flesh...you slander .. What comes from the flesh is flesh.

Anyone reading this thread or any of your threads will see you, I don't think you can help yourself. You provoke then abuse, over and over and over.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is of course totally untrue. There were Greeks (pagan background) who attended Jewish synagogues before Jesus came who were called "God-fearers". If that's the case then at least some Jews also feared God.

Until Jesus arrived on the scene and was crucified and rose again, those who were true "God-fearers" would have been part of the OT saints of whom it is said, "they would not be made perfect without us". After He came on the scene it became necessary to embrace His gospel to be saved. Even righteous God-fearing, chosen people called the Jews, needed Christ and His gospel to be saved.......that is why He came preaching it to them FIRST. How much MORE, in a sense, do Gentiles need it?