Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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Meekness is a fruit of the SPIRIT Epi. Those on whom He wishes to have mercy, He draws to Christ and saves them. There is no other way to be saved.
Behold
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The NT does not say that Cornelius was a "righteous man".....it says He was a "good and devout" man who "feared God".
After He meet Peter, He was given the Holy Spirit after hearing Peter's Testimony.....and at that time.......God gave Cornelius, forgiveness of sin, and the gift of Righteousness.
So THAT is when He became "Righteous".....having received "imputed righteousness" as there is no other way to become righteous.
You dont understand this, because its too far above your understanding @Episkopos
GracePeace
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Behold
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Forgiven all sin., and given the "imputed righteousness".
Now what is the CHRISTian "saved" from ?
Many things, but the most important is to be saved from DAMNATION.
Its to be saved from God's eternal Wrath.
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New International Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
New Living Translation
And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”
English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
King James Bible
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
New King James Version
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Legacy Standard Bible
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Amplified Bible
He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually.”
Behold
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You posted OT verses that are directed to the "house of Israel", and try to pretend this is NT Covenant. "Gospel".
Your "gospel" is false, as well as the rest of your Cross denying, bizarre theology.
This is why there is no CROSS OF CHRIST in your OT verses, nor is it found in your personal Salvation Testimony @Episkopos
You are not addressing the point of the scriptures I posted.
And just for the record I don't judge anyone as being beyond God's mercy, unless He lets me know.....because I don't know on whom He will have mercy. There have been one or two in the past who He commanded me to stop praying for them, so I didn't think that boded well for them. One of them was a "broad way", "God accepts everyone" teacher, the kind of Christian preacher who is accepted by the world.
forgiven the "sins that are past". We begin with a clean slate...that's what a new birth does. What it doesn't do is guarantee a good outcome.
Whom God hath set forth to be an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission (pareisis) of sins that are past,
Other verses about remission are innacurate and should read "freedom (aphesis) from sin"
You are missing the bigger picture and throwing out anyone but Paul, including Jesus...just as any dispensationalist Marcionite would do.
But look at this...it appears that God is speaking directly to you in this verse...
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
I ask this of all others who would disrespect God's words generally and the words of Jesus specifically....the "all souls".... is that just Jewish souls or ALL flesh including Gentiles?
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Behold
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Wrong again.
Let me show you a verse....
= "Jesus is the ONE TIME........ETERNAL........sacrifice for SIN"...
Do you comprehend the word "ETERNAL". ???? @Episkopos
See that word "Eternal"?...........now connect it to "SIN" and "ONE TIME Sacrifice".
This means that God's Son has paid for the sin of humanity, "Eternally"......"ONE TIME". (ON The Cross)....by His "Sacrifice".
Now this is applied as Eternal Salvaiton, one believer at a time.
And this is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 teach the Christians, that God does not charge sin to the born again.
He can't, and that is because of the "ONE TIME ETERNAL sacrifice of Jesus".
The New birth guarantees that the person has "Eternal life", and "Eternal Forgiveness" and has become "In Christ", "one with God" and will receive a new body.
And that is all gained the moment a SINNER is born again.
They have not even woke up the next day yet............
Yes, the verse does not say "past sins".....as the theologically ignorant heretics try to teach it.
It says that """sins that are PAST"""..............as in...>" old things have passed away.........behold....all thing have become NEW."""
Why are sins "past'?
Its because of the "ONE TIME.. ETERNAL Sacrifice of Jesus"..... on The Cross.
Behold
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You always claim to have the big picture, and you post a lot of attempts to "sound spiritual" that always fail... and the reality is that your "big picture" is turned off. completely, regarding true NT theology.
What i do is teach Paul's Theology, because....= Paul is the person Jesus sent to the Church (the body of Christ)... to teach real Christians "church doctrine".
And Of course this is all hidden from you., exactly as your false theology proves, over and over.
When Adam sinned, he lost his spiritual union with God.
This is "spiritual death"........that is not the death of the spirit, .. its the separation from God, who is LIFE., so, that situation defines the context of the word "death".
Jesus came to restore spiritual union between God and man, through His Blood and death on The Cross.
Being born again IS this Spiritiual Union between sinner and God, restored, as "eternal life", and "Salvation".
The "restored one'........or the "Born again Christian" has received from God ETERNAL forgiveness, and they have been "made righteous" by the "Imputed righteousness" of Christ".
This is defined by Paul as "The GIFT of Righteousness". they have received by "Faith".
This is also explained as "Justification by Faith".
Bald-faced lie. Why do you always twist the truth?
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just (righteous) man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
The truth is that the modern gospel is neither righteous nor holy. This is a situation I will seek to remedy. Notice how any kind of specific doctrine of either is met with very strong opposition. If the modern gospel was at least righteous, then it would line up with ALL the verses on righteousness.
GracePeace
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GracePeace
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@Episkopos
He asked me if I was a 7th Day Adventist because I mentioned that the Torah shows there is such a thing as "activity" that doesn't count as "work" in the principle of the land enjoying its Sabbath (ie, so when someone is justified by their deeds on the Day of Judgment, it will be due to them having had God as their righteousness Jer 23:6; Ro 2:6-16--ie, it doesn't necessitate a violation of "justified by God's righteousness"). It had not a whit to do with being "under Law", nor with "7th Day Sabbath"-keeping, but his lazy brains scanned what I had said, detected the word "Sabbath", and immediately, emptily, jumped to accusing me of thinking we have to observe the 7th Day Sabbath, asking if I was (or accusing me of being) a "7th Day Adventist".
I meant that the guy you are talking with, @Behold, is utterly incapable of even a modicum of honesty in discussion--he doesn't even read before responding, serially violating Proverbs 18:13.
He asked me if I was a 7th Day Adventist because I mentioned that the Torah shows there is such a thing as "activity" that doesn't count as "work" in the principle of the land enjoying its Sabbath (ie, so when someone is justified by their deeds on the Day of Judgment, it will be due to them having had God as their righteousness Jer 23:6; Ro 2:6-16--ie, it doesn't necessitate a violation of "justified by God's righteousness"). It had not a whit to do with being "under Law", nor with "7th Day Sabbath"-keeping, but his lazy brains scanned what I had said, detected the word "Sabbath", and immediately, emptily, jumped to accusing me of thinking we have to observe the 7th Day Sabbath, asking if I was (or accusing me of being) a "7th Day Adventist".
The guy is utterly void of honesty, he just wants to flap his lips as if he knows something when he knows nothing at all.
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GracePeace
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@Laurina FYI, that was me sarcastically representing the view of those who refuse to admit what Scripture obviously teaches on the issue--people, I guess, want to make things easy on themselves, so they block those verses out of their minds instead of praying and studying and discussing the matter until they can believe ALL the relevant verses/doctrines, not just one or two here or there.
Excellent!
Short and simple, and straight to the point, just like Jesus, for the Glory of GOD the FATHER.
We're just 'earthen vessels', because of Jesus Christ our Lord and God the Son, the FATHER GOD took us from the dump and unwanted by the world.
Washed us clean inside and out, restored us like new, filled us with HIS treasure and the Holy Ghost, and placed us back in this world to serve for HIS Kingdom.
Even Christ taught us in the Gospel, servants need not special thanks ((nor popularity) for one's service for the Kingdom of GOD.
But they are to answer back saying, "We're merely unworthy servants and just doing our duty."
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
Ephesians 2:
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an Holy Temple in the Lord:
22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of GOD through the Spirit.
Apostle Paul writes this epistle to the Gentile church in Ephesus, addressing to them about their standing with the Jewish saints in Christ including him.
First of all, whether Jewish church saints or Gentile church saints, equally they're fellowcitizens in the household of the Kingdom of GOD.
Both are built equally upon the foundation of the Apostles(including him) and Prophets(of the Old), but Jesus Christ being the Chief Corner Stone. (2Timothy3:16&17)
In whom all these building fitly framed together grown unto an Holy Temple in the Lord.
And in whom, you Gentile church also are built together for an habitation of GOD through the Spirit.
Like you mentioned 'Episkopos', that Apostle Paul would disagree with 'Behold' due to his infancy fall short claims.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an Holy Temple in the Lord:
22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of GOD through the Spirit.
Apostle Paul writes this epistle to the Gentile church in Ephesus, addressing to them about their standing with the Jewish saints in Christ including him.
First of all, whether Jewish church saints or Gentile church saints, equally they're fellowcitizens in the household of the Kingdom of GOD.
Both are built equally upon the foundation of the Apostles(including him) and Prophets(of the Old), but Jesus Christ being the Chief Corner Stone. (2Timothy3:16&17)
In whom all these building fitly framed together grown unto an Holy Temple in the Lord.
And in whom, you Gentile church also are built together for an habitation of GOD through the Spirit.
Like you mentioned 'Episkopos', that Apostle Paul would disagree with 'Behold' due to his infancy fall short claims.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
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One thing i would 'disagree', is that the Gospel is not in the Torah, the 5 books of Moses including the Law.
But the retaliation of the Son of Eve and the Prophet among the Israelite brethren to come, is mentioned.
Where all Israel must listen to this Prophet, if not GOD will require of them and will have to face the consequences.
More about that Prophet or the Messiah and the New Covenant GOD will make with the Israelites in the future, is further in the books of the Prophets.
That's why Jesus mentioned in the Gospel separating both, 'the Law and the Prophets' until they are 'fulfilled'.
For one if the Gospel was, the disciples will not be perplexed, confused and disturbed by the teaching of Christ and His actions.
Which does not resonate nor accustomed to what Moses, the Prophets and the leaders of Israel taught them and lived by for generation after generation.
John 1:
17. For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Example, the Law teaches, annihilate your enemies, but the Gospel, love your enemies.
Give them the next 'cheek', make peace, bless them, do good to them and pray for them, even to the point they kill you.
For then you are truly the sons of the MOST HIGH GOD who art in Heaven and in secret.
(Remember in the Old Testament, the first king of Israel, Saul, who in compassion speared the life of a pagan king instead of killing him as the order and will of GOD? And he lost his kingship and non of his family could take the throne, and all of them were killed, except Jonathan?)
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ, Lord and God the Son
But the retaliation of the Son of Eve and the Prophet among the Israelite brethren to come, is mentioned.
Where all Israel must listen to this Prophet, if not GOD will require of them and will have to face the consequences.
More about that Prophet or the Messiah and the New Covenant GOD will make with the Israelites in the future, is further in the books of the Prophets.
That's why Jesus mentioned in the Gospel separating both, 'the Law and the Prophets' until they are 'fulfilled'.
For one if the Gospel was, the disciples will not be perplexed, confused and disturbed by the teaching of Christ and His actions.
Which does not resonate nor accustomed to what Moses, the Prophets and the leaders of Israel taught them and lived by for generation after generation.
John 1:
17. For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Example, the Law teaches, annihilate your enemies, but the Gospel, love your enemies.
Give them the next 'cheek', make peace, bless them, do good to them and pray for them, even to the point they kill you.
For then you are truly the sons of the MOST HIGH GOD who art in Heaven and in secret.
(Remember in the Old Testament, the first king of Israel, Saul, who in compassion speared the life of a pagan king instead of killing him as the order and will of GOD? And he lost his kingship and non of his family could take the throne, and all of them were killed, except Jonathan?)
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ, Lord and God the Son
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GracePeace
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Luke 24
26“Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” 27Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
John 5
39“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me... 46“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
1 Corinthians 15
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
2 Timothy 3
15the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
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