Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

Following 1 John 3:6 the answer is - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. [KJV]

It's the key verse of the holiness movement, Epi included.

It gives a whole new meaning of what abiding in Christ is, that you can not sin as long as you abide in Christ.

It's what Epi believes.

Not many bible believers left here. And my testimony supports the keeping power of God by grace through faith. All you have is a human opinion based on unbelief with no testimony of the risen Lord.

As a believer in Christ I fully support the biblical narrative and the truth contained in it.

 

[Episkopos]

It's not false at all. We are discussing YOUR CLAIM we can live as Jesus, sinless.

Not my claim alone...but Jesus, Paul, John etc...

You simply don't believe what's written in the bible...never mind a person who is actually a believer in Christ.

Why don't you believe the bible? You claim to be a believer, no?

 

[Episkopos]

I think he calls it walking the higher walk. which we must do if we are to be saved

The higher walk is from God's grace that proves we are saved...not just based on a religious opinion and a self-justification for certain dogmatic beliefs as you espouse.

An actual salvation from sin is why Jesus came to earth. He came to TAKE AWAY the sins of the world...to set those in bondage to sin FREE.

Read the bible. Learn what Christianity is.

 

[Episkopos]

he also believes you are not saved unless you do that..

Not what the bible says or I teach. To be saved from sin is only found on the higher walk in holiness (the way of holiness)...being set free from the law of sin and death by a higher law...the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. We enter into that walk by grace through faith. I have explained this so many times...but people either can't read or have no comprehension of certain word groupings...a religious illiteracy.

To be saved FROM sin right now ....God has made a provision by grace that we enter INTO Christ to walk as He walked...in Him is NO sin.

To INHERIT life after death we need to keep the commandments of God in humility and the fear of the Lord.

 

[marks]

It's not false at all. We are discussing YOUR CLAIM we can live as Jesus, sinless.

Are you able to walk in the Spirit - without sin - for a 5 minute stretch? Can you double that to 10? Do you see where I'm going with this? What is the renewing of the mind if not to train ourselves to walk as Jesus walked, in 100% dependance on our Heavenly Father?

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

But what is your answer, what prevents us from walking in the Spirit at all times?

Much love!

The things of the world, maybe my kind of satirical humor that sometimes crosses a line. When I realize such things I ask for forgiveness.

But my main worry are the sins I am not aware of, how about my selfishness, my lack of love, my needs, what about pride, am I really humble, that kind of things. I have seen myself naked through revelation by the Holy Spirit, I know what I am, a sinner saved by undeserved grace, knowing mistrusting the flesh forever.

 

[Episkopos]

The things of the world, maybe my kind of satirical humor that sometimes crosses a line. When I realize such things I ask for forgiveness.

But my main worry are the sins I am not aware of, how about my selfishness, my lack of love, my needs, what about pride, am I really humble, that kind of things. I have seen myself naked through revelation by the Holy Spirit, I know what I am, a sinner saved by undeserved grace, knowing mistrusting the flesh forever.

It's one thing for the flesh to try appearing humble...but the unbelief you display at every turn means that the honesty has to go a LOT further in order to take anything you say seriously. It's all flesh, bro.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The higher walk is from God's grace that proves we are saved...not just based on a religious opinion and a self-justification for certain dogmatic beliefs as you espouse.

An actual salvation from sin is why Jesus came to earth. He came to TAKE AWAY the sins of the world...to set those in bondage to sin FREE.

Read the bible. Learn what Christianity is.

Your saved from the penalty of sin.

If not. then you are still dead.

God takes care of our sin issue AFTER we are saved.

before you tell people to study the word. do so yourself..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not what the bible says or I teach. To be saved from sin is only found on the higher walk in holiness (the way of holiness)...being set free from the law of sin and death by a higher law...the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. We enter into that walk by grace through faith. I have explained this so many times...but people either can't read or have no comprehension of certain word groupings...a religious illiteracy.

To be saved FROM sin right now ....God has made a provision by grace that we enter INTO Christ to walk as He walked...in Him is NO sin.

To INHERIT life after death we need to keep the commandments of God in humility and the fear of the Lord.

I rest my case. he teaches what I said he did.

its all about him.. not about God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you able to walk in the Spirit - without sin - for a 5 minute stretch? Can you double that to 10? Do you see where I'm going with this? What is the renewing of the mind if not to train ourselves to walk as Jesus walked, in 100% dependance on our Heavenly Father?

Much love!

I would say as long as we do not deceive ourselves and think we are sinless. and keep on walking in Christ. we would be ok.How long we can go sinless does not really matter..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The things of the world, maybe my kind of satirical humor that sometimes crosses a line. When I realize such things I ask for forgiveness.

But my main worry are the sins I am not aware of, how about my selfishness, my lack of love, my needs, what about pride, am I really humble, that kind of things. I have seen myself naked through revelation by the Holy Spirit, I know what I am, a sinner saved by undeserved grace, knowing mistrusting the flesh forever.

This!!

 

[Episkopos]

Your saved from the penalty of sin.

If not. then you are still dead.

You are right. People are still dead in their sins unless they walk in the Spirit. The penalty of sin??? Many believers will be rejected BECAUSE they sin. God will have mercy on whoever He wills. But to claim one can sin freely AFTER conversion is lawlessness. Such are rejected into outer darkness.

God takes care of our sin issue AFTER we are saved.

No. The sin issue is taken care of as we are crucified in the outer man to be joined with Christ and empowered by grace.

before you tell people to study the word. do so yourself..

If only you could read... you would see how far I have dug to know the truth.

 

[marks]

I would say as long as we do not deceive ourselves and think we are sinless. and keep on walking in Christ. we would be ok.How long we can go sinless does not really matter..

For me this is what applies here:

1 Corinthians 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2) Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul wrote here in effect that his conscience was clean, though that doesn't mean he's not doing anything wrong, rather that he's not qualified to know really, and leaves that to Jesus to judge.

So yes, I agree, to ask, can we live sinlessly, that's not the question, because we aren't even going to know. But can we walk continuously with a clear conscience, not because we are ignoring ourselves, but because our life experience is serving Jesus, living in communion with Him. Are we showing a continuous stream of good works, a sound mind, like that? Without being accused by our conscience?

Much love!

@ProDeo

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are right. People are still dead in their sins unless they walk in the Spirit. The penalty of sin??? Many believers will be rejected BECAUSE they sin. God will have mercy on whoever He wills. But to claim one can sin freely AFTER conversion is lawlessness. Such are rejected into outer darkness.

no, your wrong

we were made alive, by grace we have been saved, through faith not of works.

No. The sin issue is taken care of as we are crucified in the outer man to be joined with Christ and empowered by grace.

If only you could read... you would see how far I have dug to know the truth.

I read clearly. I have read you for years now. there is little if any truth in you

 

[mailmandan]

I rest my case. he teaches what I said he did.

its all about him.. not about God

Sounds like the gospel according to SELF.

SELF promotion.
SELF righteousness.
SELF preservation.

 

[marks]

This!!

Walking in the Spirit is the remedy for this, isn't it? So how do we stop from going back to walking according to flesh? How do we win every battle?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For me this is what applies here:

1 Corinthians 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2) Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul wrote here in effect that his conscience was clean, though that doesn't mean he's not doing anything wrong, rather that he's not qualified to know really, and leaves that to Jesus to judge.

So yes, I agree, to ask, can we live sinlessly, that's not the question, because we aren't even going to know. But can we walk continuously with a clear conscience, not because we are ignoring ourselves, but because our life experience is serving Jesus, living in communion with Him. Are we showing a continuous stream of good works, a sound mind, like that? Without being accused by our conscience?

Much love!

@ProDeo

I wish I could say I do.

Sadly I see things in myself that shows I have alot of growing to do So I press on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Walking in the Spirit is the remedy for this, isn't it? So how do we stop from going back to walking according to flesh? How do we win every battle?

Much love!

its not as easy as you make it out to be.. We are told to confess our sins to one another that we may find healing, if we ignore our sins.. how can we confess them?

 

[Episkopos]

For me this is what applies here:

1 Corinthians 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2) Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul wrote here in effect that his conscience was clean, though that doesn't mean he's not doing anything wrong, rather that he's not qualified to know really, and leaves that to Jesus to judge.

So yes, I agree, to ask, can we live sinlessly, that's not the question, because we aren't even going to know. But can we walk continuously with a clear conscience, not because we are ignoring ourselves, but because our life experience is serving Jesus, living in communion with Him. Are we showing a continuous stream of good works, a sound mind, like that? Without being accused by our conscience?

Much love!

Agreed. The higher walk is above sin. But not many are allowed to that place...the way is very narrow indeed. The surrender too complete for anyone who doesn't forsake their own lives. BUT it is possible to gather the dew of the morning everyday to be filled with God's words and walk the way of righteousness. However, that walk does not protect us from the provocations of the flesh. We are still in our own strength...however, we can experience the touch of God at times and have a good conscience with boldness. It is only as we disparage the higher walk that we invite God's wrath on judgment day.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Agreed. The higher walk is above sin. But not many are allowed to that place...

self promotion. God allowed him but not others.