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You're making that up! Where does it say Mary was sinless? It doesn't!

gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
The lord is with her
Blessed
Lk 1:49 immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus
All the early church believed this

Matt 16:18 and 18:18 Jn 29:21-23
Authority of the apostles
Acts 2:42 apostles doctrine
 

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gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
The lord is with her
Blessed
Lk 1:49 immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus
All the early church believed this

Matt 16:18 and 18:18 Jn 29:21-23
Authority of the apostles
Acts 2:42 apostles doctrine
non of these say she was sinless.

It would not even stand in a court of law.
 

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Jesus was not the immaculate conception


Mary was saved by her son but never sinned

Lk 1:49 what things (plural)?


Wrong again!

Jesus was the only born person not to have a sin nature.

If Mary never sinned she has no need of one saving her now does she! But you cannot prove biblically that Mary never sinned and the Bible is the final authority on the matter.
 

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Wrong again!

Jesus was the only born person not to have a sin nature.

If Mary never sinned she has no need of one saving her now does she! But you cannot prove biblically that Mary never sinned and the Bible is the final authority on the matter.
Wrong again!

Jesus was the only born person not to have a sin nature.

If Mary never sinned she has no need of one saving her now does she! But you cannot prove biblically that Mary never sinned and the Bible is the final authority on the matter.

mary was preserved from original sin and all sin by the merits of christ
 

Ronald Nolette

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Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 bound on earth bound in heaven!

The Bible never says anyone is a biological child of Mary accept for Jesus Christ!

And the Bible says Her child is holy! And Her child is God!

Is 7:14 God provides a sign, a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (Singular, one son)

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(The Bible says only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary)

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
(A son singular) (does James save his people?)

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!

Blessed art thou amongst all women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(The fruit of Her womb is blessed and holy)

Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
(A son, singular)

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Her son is God)

Matt 1:25 He knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

Until only states that they had no relation up to that point, the Bible does not say they had sex ever, before or after that point!

First born does not imply a second born. An only child is still first born!

The Bible says Joseph a just and therefore a chaste man, it does not say he has gone into Mary where the Holy Spirit has conceived, 2 Sam 12:24 And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the Lord loved him. Never says this about a Joseph, for He was full of fear and reverence for Her immaculate purity and holiness!



Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is Mary the mother of James?
If you mean the Blessed Virgin Mary then no. Her sister-in-law, Mary of Clopas, was the wife of Alphaeus (St. Joseph's brother), and mother of Simon, Joseph, and the apostles Judas Thaddeus, and James (the Less, brother of the Lord): Jesus' cousins.

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples.

Salome, or Mary Salome, was the wife of Zebedee, and mother of apostles John (the beloved), and James (the greater).


Regarding Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, two of the four "brethren" are James and Judas of Alphaeus (cf. Mat. 10:2-3, Lk. 6:15-16, Act. 1:13). The third, Joseph, is identified in Mk. 15:40 as the brother of James of Alphaeus. The fourth, Simon, is identified in Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 as the brother of Joseph, James, and Judas of Alphaeus. Therefore, all four are were the sons of Alphaeus, not St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Jesus on the cross gives His mother to John, why? Why not James or a brother? Perhaps the law of Moses requires a mother to be given to the next oldest son? Because he was an only Son!
Only begotten of the Father, only begotten of the Mother.


All of this is slop that needs to be discarded!

The bible tells us that Mary did not have sex intil after she gave birth to Jesus. you can try to twist the SCripture any way you want, but it still comes out as a lie.

Jesus had four half brothers and at least 2 half sisters. You can try to twist the scriptures any way you wish, but it still comes out a lie.

Any church council who preaches her perpetual virginity has left the Word fo God and is preaching doctrines of demons.

All the Scriptures you used were taken out of their context and twisted to mean something they never were intended to mean by God!

If God wanted her to be perpetually virgin , He would have clearly said so! If God wanted her exalted as the queen of heven He would have clearly said so.

Matthew 1:24-25
King James Version

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.


These two clear unambiguous verses of Gods Word TRUMP all your church council pontifications.
 

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mary was preserved from original sin and all sin by the merits of christ

Now just prove it from gods Word! Then I will believe it again! But until you can this passage from Gods Word holds true:

Romans 3:

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rome demands to add a parenthesis to these verses to say "except for Mary". That is a bring over from the pagan religions who held to sinless queen of heaven.
 

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All of this is slop that needs to be discarded!

The bible tells us that Mary did not have sex intil after she gave birth to Jesus. you can try to twist the SCripture any way you want, but it still comes out as a lie.

Jesus had four half brothers and at least 2 half sisters. You can try to twist the scriptures any way you wish, but it still comes out a lie.

Any church council who preaches her perpetual virginity has left the Word fo God and is preaching doctrines of demons.

All the Scriptures you used were taken out of their context and twisted to mean something they never were intended to mean by God!

If God wanted her to be perpetually virgin , He would have clearly said so! If God wanted her exalted as the queen of heven He would have clearly said so.

Matthew 1:24-25
King James Version

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.


These two clear unambiguous verses of Gods Word TRUMP all your church council pontifications.

possibly brothers and sisters but not children of Mary ever Virgin mother of God and queen of heaven and earth our blessed mother
 

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κύριος kýrios, koo'-ree-os; from κῦρος kŷros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Master (as a respectful title) = the Messiah in this verse.

Luke 1:39-55 [NKJV]
39 Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, 40 and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth. 41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed [are] you among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of your womb! 43 "But why [is] this [granted] to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 "For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 "Blessed [is] she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord."​

46 And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. 48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed. 49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy [is] His name. 50 And His mercy [is] on those who fear Him From generation to generation. 51 He has shown strength with His arm; He has scattered [the] proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He has put down the mighty from [their] thrones, And exalted [the] lowly. 53 He has filled [the] hungry with good things, And [the] rich He has sent away empty. 54 He has helped His servant Israel, In remembrance of [His] mercy, 55 As He spoke to our fathers, To Abraham and to his seed forever."​

  • Mary was the mother of Jesus, the Messiah ... Lord over God’s Chosen People and heir to the throne of David.
  • If Mary was sinless, why did she need a Savior?
  • Mary understood: she pointed people to God and gave Him the glory.

preserved from sin is saved from sin
 

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possibly brothers and sisters but not children of Mary ever Virgin mother of God and queen of heaven and earth our blessed mother


Wrong again!

Matthew 1:24-25
King James Version

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.


God purposely showed us that Mary had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born!!! Yours and the RCC belief does not come from God!

You cannot prove that James, Simon Joses and Judah who were called borthers of Jesus were not from Mary, nor the sisters meaning at least two!

If Mary was an obedient Jewish wife, she would have lots of sex with her husband and lots of babies! Show biblically that Mary was ever virgin and never had sex or more kids with Jospeh.
 

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gen 3:15 enmity total war none of satans works are found in her
Lk 1:28 full of grace
The lord is with her
Blessed
Lk 1:49 immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus
All the early church believed this

Matt 16:18 and 18:18 Jn 29:21-23
Authority of the apostles
Acts 2:42 apostles doctrine

You and your RCC handlers read far too much onto these words to promote an ancient pagan falsehood.
 

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Wrong again!

Matthew 1:24-25
King James Version

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.


God purposely showed us that Mary had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born!!! Yours and the RCC belief does not come from God!

You cannot prove that James, Simon Joses and Judah who were called borthers of Jesus were not from Mary, nor the sisters meaning at least two!

If Mary was an obedient Jewish wife, she would have lots of sex with her husband and lots of babies! Show biblically that Mary was ever virgin and never had sex or more kids with Jospeh.

Does not say that at all

their Marriage was dedicated to bringing the savior into this world and caring for Him not selfishness

Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is Mary the mother of James?
If you mean the Blessed Virgin Mary then no. Her sister-in-law, Mary of Clopas, was the wife of Alphaeus (St. Joseph's brother), and mother of Simon, Joseph, and the apostles Judas Thaddeus, and James (the Less, brother of the Lord): Jesus' cousins.

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples.

Salome, or Mary Salome, was the wife of Zebedee, and mother of apostles John (the beloved), and James (the greater).


Regarding Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, two of the four "brethren" are James and Judas of Alphaeus (cf. Mat. 10:2-3, Lk. 6:15-16, Act. 1:13). The third, Joseph, is identified in Mk. 15:40 as the brother of James of Alphaeus. The fourth, Simon, is identified in Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 as the brother of Joseph, James, and Judas of Alphaeus. Therefore, all four are were the sons of Alphaeus, not St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Jesus on the cross gives His mother to John, why? Why not James or a brother? Perhaps the law of Moses requires a mother to be given to the next oldest son? Because he was an only Son!
Only begotten of the Father, only begotten of the Mother.
 

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no one ever said Mary is God

preserved from sin is saved from sin
Nope

adam was not saved from sin before he sinned, he was perfect in Gods eyes,

if Mary was born outside of sin, and never even once fell to temptation, she earned life. And would never need a savior

we need a savior because we are guilty.

and yes, you do make her a God, you claim she is omnipresent (she can hear all prayers) that she is to be worshiped and that she can mediate, these are attributes only given to God
 

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Nope

adam was not saved from sin before he sinned, he was perfect in Gods eyes,

if Mary was born outside of sin, and never even once fell to temptation, she earned life. And would never need a savior

we need a savior because we are guilty.

and yes, you do make her a God, you claim she is omnipresent (she can hear all prayers) that she is to be worshiped and that she can mediate, these are attributes only given to God

Not worshiped
Cannot hear prayers
Does not mediate

Mary was created sinless by God in virtue of her sons merits