Biblical Mary

[Brakelite]

If you are going to count the end of the war with the Goths then that wasn't until 540. That was when they surrendered.

538 when they surrendered Rome.

 

[Mungo]

You are not able to respond. X is not Y. The LORD is not the same as lord. Retreating to a different language changes noting YWH is not the same as Yeshua. In the original language, the word is not kurios but Adonai. That is my signature.

The original language for what I posted is Greek.
And the translation is Lord, not LORD or lord.

And

Profound inability to respond. You are not responsible but are only capable of attempting to divert attention.

Thomas did not make a statement but an exclamation. When I drop my win glass and exclaim 'oh crap!', I am not actually claiming the wine glass is, in fact, feces. Good day - but not a nice try.

No, Thomas did not make an exclamation. The text says Thomas answered not exclaimed.
He made a statement - a profession of faith and Jesus clearly took it as a profession of faith after his disbelief saying “Have you believed because you have seen me?"

 

[Mungo]

538 when they surrendered Rome.

They surrended Rome when they were driven out in 536.

 

[Mungo]

By their fruits ye shall know them. One brief glance at the history of the Roman church readily informs one whether it be Christian or pagan. The details have been discussed on this forum and other forums repeatedly. You justify the pagan tenets of Catholic Canon law through tradition. Thus you throw aside the authority of scripture. That's fine, do what you like. But your religion is still pagan regardless. And the Pope's declarations and statements regarding climate change reveal this... Even shout this from the world's rooftops. Gaia is now the god of Rome. Come out of her.

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion

 

[BreadOfLife]

Blasting in shouting "WRONG" does not make you right. It simply makes you accusatory, without understanding.

- theefaith - claimed

I disagreed. I posted one verse of Scripture, in support of my disagreement.

You dictating "Study" your Bible...."
Has nothing to do with the verse I posted.

And IFY Studying the Bible is for Beneift of man to gain KNOWLEDGE of Gods Word.

(UNDERSTANDING of that KNOWLEDGE OF Gods Word (according to God), comes from God Himself.)
* Clearly you have revealed "your understanding OF Gods Word" comes to you...via a long succession of earthly men, who have elected an earthly man, as their earthly holy father.

Mary is not the Biological mother of Jesus.
Jesus is not the Biological son of Mary.

* Jesus came to earth, AS the Son of man.
...(Expressly by the WILL of God...and MANNER of God) not man...
* Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
*John 1 (reveals)
[13] Which were born...of blood... of the flesh...of the will...of God.

Jesus was revealed, AS the Son of God.
Jesus was revealed, IS the Christ.
Scripture reveals:
The Christ, IS the SEED of God.
(KNOWLEDGE Revealed; Believe it OR NOT!)

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, (me) BECAUSE ye (I) have loved me, (JESUS) AND BECAUSE I have believed that I (JESUS) came out from God.
[28] I (JESUS) came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

* Any prudent person KNOWS, earthly men are reproduced from the seed of an earthly woman being fertilized (Called Conception) which Occurs ...
(in the fallopian tubes of a woman - Not the womb)
Effected BY and through the WILL of Earthly Flesh and Blood.
* Any prudent person KNOWS, a fertilized earthly seed of a woman, leaves the fallopian tube, travels to the womans womb, and the woman is then called; Conceived (pregnant).

* Nothing whatsoever In Scripture reveals GOD fertilized Marys seed.

* Nothing whatsoever In Scripture reveals:
Mary's idea,
Mary's blood,
Mary's flesh,
Mary's BIOLOGICAL seed
* Had ANYTHING whatsoever, to do with GODS SEED, coming forth out from God (In Heaven,) In a Body God Prepared, Being Sent to Earth, being set IN Mary's Womb, by the Power of God.

* The "woman" Mary...a Jew, a Virgin, was Betrothed to a man, Named Joseph.
Joseph was in the DIRECT linage sonship of the "House of David".

* The "marriage" of the "betrothed" Mary and Joseph, "SEALED" Mary one with Joseph, that Mary also thereafter was "of the House of David"....
ANYTHING, in the appearence of a "MALE" MANKIND of thing, that would come forth out of Mary's Womb...would be called "her "son" offspring"...and ALSO "of the House of David".

According to GODS WILL and MANNER...
What came forth OUT of Mary's Womb...
WAS PRECISELY WHAT GOD, BY HIS POWER, "PUT", in Mary's Womb! ...
A MALE, called Son of man, called by the name God decided, (JESUS), and according to Gods Will and Manner...
That male, called Jesus, was Lawfully, (through Mary's marriage to Joseph); a Direct Line Descendant OF KING DAVID, and Expressly and Lawfully Entitled to one day, SIT on King Davids THRONE; the Everlasting Throne, God Himself, established Years earlier.

BOL - studying the Knowledge IN scripture IS most beneficial for mankind....
You might consider "understanding Scripture ACCORDING TO GOD" a benefit that supersedes "understanding Scripture ACCORDING TO MEN".

Praise and Glory to God,
Taken

And for ALL of your empty blathering and verbose denials - ONE thing remains: Jesus is the SEED of Mary (Gen 3:15).
Therefore, Mary is His BIOLOGICAL mother.
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

For Jesus to be ONLY Spirit - He would not have had a body of flesh.
The ENTIRE reason for being born of a woman was so that he would be flesh and blood - as well as God.
Luke 1:31
And, behold, THOU SHALT CONCEIVE IN THY WOMB, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Keep studying - you'll get there . . .

 

[Brakelite]

A claim made without evidence therefore just an opinion

You are correct. I didn't provide evidence of the paganism within Catholicism.
Here's one among numerous others...Laudato Si.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Mary was betrothed, not married, to Joseph at the angelic visitation.

Much disagreement revolves around the Greek word translated betrothed
and/or espoused; which is found in only three places in the entire New
Testament and all three are in the story of Joseph and Mary-- one place in
Matthew and two in Luke.

Its primary meaning refers to promise; which is technically different than an
engagement.

Back in those days, girls often had no say in who they were to marry, i.e.
their consent was neither required, nor sought.

For example: when Jacob expressed his desire for Rachel's hand in
marriage, her father Laban said: "It's better that I give her to you than to
some other man." In other words: at that moment, Rachel was implied
promised to Jacob; and once a woman is promised to a specific suitor; she
becomes what we sometimes call "spoken for".

Another problem is the Greek word translated "wife". Well; wife is actually
an interpretation rather than a translation because technically the word only
means woman.

Also a problem is the Greek word translated "virgin". It isn't specifically a girl
that's never slept with a man; though in Mary's case that would be true.
Rather, it simply refers to a young woman of marriageable age.

And then there's the Greek word found in "put her away" which is an
ambiguous word that can mean a number of things besides divorce. For
example: free fully, relieve, release, dismiss, let die, pardon, forgive, loose,
let go, and/or set at liberty. So we're not stuck with a narrow meaning.

Considering that Mary was promised to Joseph, rather than married to him,
then I would say that his intent in Matt 1:19 wasn't divorce, but simply to
revoke his request with her father on the grounds that she was immoral.

Now, under certain conditions; a betrothed girl who cheats on the man to
whom she's promised merited the death penalty in Joseph's world. (Deut
22:23-27). However, a minimum of two witnesses are required in capital
cases (Deut 17:6-7). Well; the Bible says that Joseph was a righteous man.
In other words; he was law-abiding and that's why he decided to put Mary
away quietly because without witnesses, he couldn't possibly have her hauled
into court.

» I don't insist that all and/or any of my comments herein are true and 100%
correct; I only offer them as a second opinion; so to speak.
_

 

[Brakelite]

They surrended Rome when they were driven out in 536.

The prophecies though such as Daniel 7 aren't concerned with who was occupying the city, the prophecies were revealing the uprooting of the 3 horns, the 3rd of which was the Ostrogoth nation which was not decisively defeated until 538. It was from that time that the little horn, the Papacy, was finally granted the freedom to rule according to Justinian's previous letter to John.
Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and authority of your See.
The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity. Though this decree was given in 533 A. D., it was not fully implemented until the rebel Ostrogoths were devastated in 538 A. D.
Thus also were the terms of the prophecy met.
KJV Daniel 7:20-22
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

[Mungo]

You are correct. I didn't provide evidence of the paganism within Catholicism.
Here's one among numerous others...Laudato Si.

Because there isn't any

 

[Mungo]

The prophecies though such as Daniel 7 aren't concerned with who was occupying the city, the prophecies were revealing the uprooting of the 3 horns, the 3rd of which was the Ostrogoth nation which was not decisively defeated until 538.

It wasn't decisively defeated until 540 when they finally surrendered.

It was from that time that the little horn, the Papacy, was finally granted the freedom to rule according to Justinian's previous letter to John.
Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and authority of your See.
The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity. Though this decree was given in 533 A. D., it was not fully implemented until the rebel Ostrogoths were devastated in 538 A. D.
Thus also were the terms of the prophecy met.
KJV Daniel 7:20-22
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.[/QUOTE]

Garbage.

1. You haven't explained why the Ostrogoths were this third horn.
2. The Pope never got any spiritual authority from a secular power. He gets it from God by virtue of his office.
3. Christianity became the state religion in 380, not 536, 538 or 540. In 379 Theodosius I became Emperor of the East. In 380 he and Gratian (in the west) made Christianity the state religion.In 392 Theodosius took power in the west as well and united the Empire again.

 

[Wrangler]

No, Thomas did not make an exclamation. The text says Thomas answered not exclaimed.

Word games. When my wine glass drops, I answer "oh crap." It doesn't make the wine glass feces.

It is such a desperate attempt to compensate for the explicit teaching that goes against your doctrine. 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 Cor 8:6.

Not sure what this has to do with the Biblical Mary. She gave birth to a male human who grew to became a man. Not too unusual.

 

[Mungo]

Word games. When my wine glass drops, I answer "oh crap." It doesn't make the wine glass feces.

It is such a desperate attempt to compensate for the explicit teaching that goes against your doctrine. 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 Cor 8:6.

Not sure what this has to do with the Biblical Mary. She gave birth to a male human who grew to became a man. Not too unusual.

It's you who are trying to play word games.
First you say "When I drop my win glass and exclaim 'oh crap!'"
Now you say "When my wine glass drops, I answer "oh crap.""
A desperate attempt at playing word game.
Answer whom? No-one has spoken to you?

Jesus spoke to Thomas and the text says Thomas answered.
He made a statement - a profession of faith and Jesus clearly took it as a profession of faith after his disbelief saying “Have you believed because you have seen me?"

 

[Brakelite]

It wasn't decisively defeated until 540 when they finally surrendered.

By 540 the Ostrogoth nation was non existent. The defeat by Belisarius

It wasn't decisively defeated until 540 when they finally surrendered.

It was from that time that the little horn, the Papacy, was finally granted the freedom to rule according to Justinian's previous letter to John.
Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and authority of your See.
The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity. Though this decree was given in 533 A. D., it was not fully implemented until the rebel Ostrogoths were devastated in 538 A. D.
Thus also were the terms of the prophecy met.
KJV Daniel 7:20-22
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Garbage.

1. You haven't explained why the Ostrogoths were this third horn.
2. The Pope never got any spiritual authority from a secular power. He gets it from God by virtue of his office.
3. Christianity became the state religion in 380, not 536, 538 or 540. In 379 Theodosius I became Emperor of the East. In 380 he and Gratian (in the west) made Christianity the state religion.In 392 Theodosius took power in the west as well and united the Empire again.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the Goths weren't completely destroyed until the 560s. But their power and threat over Rome, except for a brief occupation by a later king, was broken in 538.
Of the ten horns that arose after the removal of the empire to Constantinople, 3 were Arian while the remaining 7 converted to Catholicism with the help of the military power of Clovis the Frank. The 3 Arian kingdoms were the Heruli, defeated by the Ostrogoths, the Vandals of north Africa defeated by Belisarius, and the Ostrogoths. The remaining 7 were the foundations of modem Europe. The little horn, the Papacy, continued in it's first phase until 1798. But you know that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Up until Justinian, Rome and Alexandria had no doubts as to the Pope's authority with regards religious matters. Although elsewhere such authority was not accepted. But with Justinian's approval the de facto civil authority that the Pope's enjoyed after Constantine's abandonment of Rome and the resulting vacuum, was made official, and Justinian's Code became the law for European politics for the following 1200 years. The Papacy at that point in time became what is essentially a union of church and state. That is there true Catholic church. The woman, the church, riding the beast, the state. The church holding the time, the state giving is support through arms and legislation. That has been the Catholic papal way, and remains such to this day. Although as you and I know, there was that break in 1798 to 1929.
And as we both know, this current Pope is now ranging all over the world promoting the NWO and his precious mark, Sunday sacredness.
It is now such a short time till the image of that papal church/state union is raised in the name of Protestantism, and will enforce your puppies mark of authority in the earth... And Babylon the Great will be formed... The final destructive union of Catholicism, Protestantism, and everyone else in one wonderful united common good socialist fascist dictatorship.
Come out of her BoL, of you value your eternal life and believe yourself to be one of God's children.

TWO things:
1. Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NOT succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18)
2. Bad leadership has been a problem since the beginning (Judas) - and they will be dealt with (Luke 12:48) by God.

NOWHERE, however, does Jesus give a prescription for leaving His Church or splintering off because of them.

As for your continued nonsense regarding the origins of the Catholic Church - ALL we need to do is to defer to the writings of the Early Church Fathers, who ALL proclaimed to be part of the ONE, Apostolic Catholic Church. And we can see from as early as the 2nd century that this was NOT simply used as a mere description of the Church - but the TITLE of it - "Catholic Church".

Case in point - the 2nd century document, The Martyrdom of Polycarp.
This document has a very interesting phrase in it which would make NO sense at all if it is only uses "Catholic" as a mere description:

Excerpt from The Martyrdom of Polycarp:
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.

The term, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal”.

The phrase - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - would be horribly redundant, if not comical. if this was a mere "description".
It would go something like this:
"... and the whole whole throughout Church throughout the world ..."

It is blindingly clear that this document is using the term Catholic Church as a TITLE and not a mere description - or the wording would make no sense whatsoever.

Polycarp was a contemporary of 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch - who wrote the following:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church. (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

So much for your continued anti-historical manure . . .

 

[theefaith]

1. Mary was betrothed, not married, to Joseph at the angelic visitation.

2. Scripture plainly says Joseph had sexual relations with his wife Mary, after Jesus was born.

3. Scripture says the reason they rejected Jesus in His own hometown, is because they knew well His family of Mother, sisters, and brothers, so they disbelieved that He could be the Messiah and have a normal human family.

where you’re scripture proof?

 

[theefaith]

Lk 1:34 no sex
Isa 7:14 a child singular

 

[theefaith]

Spoken like a true solider of the RCC . But many leaders of the protestant realm who have sold their souls and churches
would agree with you .
THIS is gonna become enemy number one of the entire world . Those fundamentalists that just wont conform .
yall got no idea who you are helping to usher in and that one will bring the world to be as one and its gonna kill
the lambs who refuse to conform . Just thought you should know that .
Fundamentalism is hated , due to it dont CONFORM . We truly should have been learning our bibles . Truly many should have been doing
just that . But they sat under men gone wrong and chose that instead .

Super strict
Super narrow way
Super rigorist
Super fundamentalist
Ways are unbiblical!

Philippians 4:5
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

 

[theefaith]

Mariology is nothing more than fiction. Peter would have known Mary, but never saw her as anyone other than a fellow believer who was baptised with the Holy Spirit along with the 118 others on the day of Pentecost. It is doubtful that Paul ever met Mary, so he would have had no personal knowledge of her. If she had been anyone more than just another believing woman, both Peter and Paul would have made mention of her as a person to be reverenced.

proving my point Mary the ever Virgin mother of God, our lady and queen was filled with HS at the first moment of her creation

she caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Hs and JTB to be sanctified in the womb and Zacharias to be filled and give prophecy all in Luke one

 

[theefaith]

A church was most certainly founded upon the apostles. That it was your church, the one now headquartered in Rome, is untenable.

not the apostate counterfeit now in Rome but the church that was founded by Christ and headquartered there for 2000 yrs

Super strict
Super narrow way
Super rigorist
Super fundamentalist
Ways are unbiblical!

Philippians 4:5
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

 

[theefaith]

Super strict
Super narrow way
Super rigorist
Super fundamentalist
Ways are unbiblical!

Philippians 4:5
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.