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Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by GerhardEbersoehn, Apr 21, 2018.

  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    Yes, He died because though He was sinless, "He was made sin for us". So why could He and DID He not shed any blood? Because shod He his blood, shod He his "life in his blood" like any mortal animal sacrifice DIES; was He no more or different or better than the blood sacrifices of both Jews and heathen pagans which had to be sacrificed and are offered daily without end as proven by their Roman Catholic BLEEDING jesus human replica.
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    And of course, '~He could not bleed~', simply, because "it is written". En daarmee, basta!
     
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    By your count... You hallucinate, mate. You're lying on your bottom on the mat without a shred of SCRIPTURE for...
    Jesus having bled.
    Jesus not having had a glorified body from His conception.
    Bottom line here: You have not proven a thing about Jesus having allowed one drop of blood to corruption or death like an animal sacrificed for to pay for sins of another with its own blood.
    And the argument is not about Peter having walked on water or not.
    So this has been just another of your empty less than featherweight boxer's shadow blows.
     
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    Tolerance is the virtue of the man with, conviction.
     
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    That's what I have been saying all along, except that He --gloriously-- was doing the same prior to, as, after his Resurrection.
    As about the specific particulars with reference to John 20:19, I repeat, there is nothing written or implied that Jesus customarily or exceptionally at occasion THERE, appeared or walked through locked doors or walls. Nothing.
    And make up your mind, was it one or more doors or one or more walls he allegedly walked or appeared through?
    In any case, what has the whole scenario in John 20:19 to do with Jesus having suffered death "pouring out his SOUL" not his blood while dying the death of death the reward for our sins which He carried in our place in order that we might be saved his death on our behalf?

    PS

    By the way, Jesus did not disappear on the road to Emmaus but at the table in Emmaus. On the road to Emmaus, Luke wrote, "He neared and walked along with them"; Luke didn't write '~He appeared at will~' like you say Jesus did.
     
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    HOGWASH.
    I never made this claim.

    I can see in your desperation, however, that you've scoured the internet for somebody with an opinion similar to yours . . .

    READ and pay attention:
    Matt 14:29-30
    Then Peter got down out of the boat, WALKED ON THE WATER and came toward Jesus. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”


    Peter WALKED on the water and came toward Jesus before he got scared and BEGAN to sink.
    It doesn't say that Peter dropped like a lead weight as soon as he stepped off the boat.

    Finally - Peter didn't perform this miracle - JESUS did.
    In the end, it's always the power of GOD that performs miracles. WE are just the instruments . . .
     
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    Yes - and yours is a heretical view.
     
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    This is a ridiculous point.

    The doors were LOCKED and Jesus appeared there with them. Whether He walked through the door or simply materialized is NOT the point. In His glorified state, he was able to appear and vanish at will.

    He NEVER did these things PRIOR to His death and resurrection.
    Would you have been more satisfied if I said on the "WAY" to Emmaus??
    Good grief - you know what I meant.
     
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    I didn't think you'd understand.
    I'm not surprised bbyrd didn't get it, either . . .
     
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    So true.

    The power of God saved me.
    If you knew me before 1980 you would say I am a miracle.
     
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    No - your comment in REDS is not MY responsibility.
    YOU are the one making this heretically asinine claim - so the onus is on YOU to show evidence for it.

    As for whether He bled or not - I HAVE shown Scriptural evidence that Jesus was like US - in ALL things but sin. I even challenged you to drive a nail through your hand to see if it bleeds. I also showed the corresponding prophecy from Isaiah 53 about His "stripes" after being beaten.

    YOU, on the pother hand, have shown ZERO evidence for your invented claims . . .
     
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    You ARE.
    Actually - if you knew me before 1992, you might be shocked . . .
     
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    Of ALL of the heretical manure you've spewn on this thread - I find your comment above in RED to be the most abominable.

    I don't know what your agenda is here - other than the fact that you don't know SQUAT about God and His Word. BUT to say that the blood of our Lord, which gives US eternal life is no better than a pagan sacrifice is not only heresy - it's outright blasphemy.

    As for your second comment in RED - show me where this is written.
    Chapter and verse, please . . .
     
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    I haven't ~scoured the internet~; I used my 1958 Interlinear or what's left of it from so many years' use.
    But here's my 1933 Afrikaans Translation,
    “29 En Hy sê: Kom! Petrus klim toe van die skuit af en loop op die water om na Jesus te gaan. 30 Maar toe hy die sterk wind sien (gewaarword / besef), het hy bang geword; en toe hy begin sink, roep hy uit…”
    In English it will read,
    “Peter immediately [‘toe’] climbed out of the boat and immediately [‘toe’] walked with the intention to go [Infinitive of purpose] to Jesus. But immediately [‘toe’] seeing (becoming aware of) the strong wind, he immediately [‘toe’] became afraid; and immediately as [‘toe’] he began to sink, he called out…”.

    As I said, the whole event happened at once as it were in the twinkling of an eye.

    But here's the first century Greek original,
    29ὁ δὲ εἶπεν Ἐλθέ.
    And He said, Come.

    καὶ - Then at once
    καταβὰς – as he was starting to go down – Ingressive Aorist
    ἀπὸ τοῦ πλοίου – from the ship
    Πέτρος περιεπάτησεν – Peter started to - Ingressive Aorist – περι- in every direction to -επάτησεν – kick / trample / air-walk
    ἐπὶ – over / above
    τὰ ὕδατα - the water
    καὶ - while / at once (quite comically like Bux Bunny in the air)
    ἦλθεν πρὸς – he started to - Ingressive Aorist - come towards / reach for
    τὸν Ἰησοῦν – Jesus
    βλέπων δὲ – while at the same time seeing – Present Participle
    τὸν ἄνεμον – the wind / storm
    ἐφοβήθη – he was beginning to be scared – Ingressive Aorist Passive
    καὶ - while at once
    ἀρξάμενος - beginning – Ingressive Aorist Participle
    καταποντίζεσθαι – to be sunk – Present Passive Infinitive
    ἔκραξεν λέγων – he began to cry out – Ingressive Aorist
    Κύριε, σῶσόν με. – Lord, save me!
    εὐθέως δὲ - And immediately
    ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἐκτείνας – Jesus while stretching out – Aorist Participle
    τὴν χεῖρα ἐπελάβετο αὐτοῦ - his hand took hold of him
    καὶ λέγει αὐτῷ Ὀλιγόπιστε – and said to him, O of little faith!
    εἰς τί ἐδίστασας – why didst thou doubt?

    It ALL happened at once.
     
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    So, you'r fluent in Greek?
     
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    It is written in that it is not written for anyone with an IQ between 60 and 300… no, between 40 and 300.
     
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    Particularly Roman Catholics are entitled to their own opinion and judgement.
     
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    Let's see what Strong's Greek Concordance has to say . . . .
    Πέτρο ςπεριεπάτησεν ἐπὶ τὰ ὕδατα
    Peter walked on the water

    NOTHING about a "twinkling of an eye" here.

    If Peter immediately sank - then he would have dropped like a lead weight. He DIDN'T.
    He actually walked on the water before getting scared and BEGAN TO sink.

    Tell you what - why don't YOU try walking across a pool. You will sink immediately - WITHOUT actually walking ON the water like Peter did.

    YOUR problem is that you refuse to accept the Word of God.
    That's been your problem ALL along on this thread . . .
     
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    This has nothing to do with Catholic vs. Protestant.
    It has to do with Christian vs. blasphemy . . .
     
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    Translation:
    "I'm switching to gibberish now because you've backed me into a corner that I can't get out of."
     
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