Why not! I would have made a similar statement. Where did the giants come from and why would they be here anyway?
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These guys think they know more than Jude and Peter.
Who were eye witnesses.
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Why not! I would have made a similar statement. Where did the giants come from and why would they be here anyway?
Amen kaoticprofit
These guys think they know more than Jude and Peter.
Who were eye witnesses.
Why not! I would have made a similar statement. Where did the giants come from and why would they be here anyway?
Shalom, veteran.
With this verse, let's let A = body, and B = soul. You are saying simply that A <> B (<> means "is not equal to") because those mortals who can kill A cannot kill B.
I'm going to squeeze into the mix the spirit: let A = body, B = spirit, C = soul. If C = A + B, then these mortals can kill A but not C, which means they can kill A but not A + B, meaning also that they cannot do anything to B! They cannot affect the spirit of an individual! Can you see how - logically - the verse can mean how I view Yeshua`s words, here? He doesn't mean that they are separate and apart; He means that they are just different! A body with the person's spirit is different than the body without the presence of the person's spirit!
Mankind can kill a person's body, but only God can destroy both the person's body and his spirit! I will admit, however, that verses like this one suggest to me that the spirit is more than just the "breath" of an individual but may also represent the "immaterial part" of a person by analogy.
Sure, psuchee and pneuma are both about the "breath"; however, they are different in how that "breath" is referenced: The psuchee (and I just use the double ee to remind any reader that it is an eta at the end of the word instead of the epsilon) is an "animated creature" ("creature" in the sense of a "created being," not a "monster"), i.e. it is "one that breathes" or a "breather." The pneuma refers to the "breath" itself. And, if we use these facts as an analogy, then the "psuchee" is the body with the "spirit" inside, an "animated creature," while the "pneuma" is the "spirit" within that creature's body that goes on to be with the Lord at the death of its body.
What "substance" might that be, by the way? A "substance" is material, and I KNOW you don't mean that! No, there is more of a difference between "soul" and "spirit" than you are supposing, and you are changing the truth of God's Word into a lie when YOU say that God "breathed the soul into the man Adam." That's NOT what the Scriptures say! Not in English and not in Hebrew! God did NOT breathe "Adam's soul into flesh"; He breathed the "BREATH" into Adam's flesh, and Adam "BECAME a living soul!" The idea of one's "soul" IS partly about the flesh of his body but it is also about the "spirit" within that body and how they come together to make a living person! We can see that in the Greek of the NT when we look at 1 Corinthians 15:45, as well:
1 Corinthians 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul (psucheen zoosan); the last Adam was made a quickening spirit (pneuma zoo-opoioun).
KJV
Pros Korinthious A 15:45
45 Houtoos kai gegraptai, "Egeneto ho prootos anthroopos Adam eis psucheen zoosan"; ho eschatos Adam eis pneuma zoo-opoioun.
The Greek New Testament, United Bible Societies
"Egeneto ho anthroopos eis psucheen zoosan" literally translates to "Was made the man into a-soul/breather living." So, even in the Greek here the man Adam was made into a living soul, a living breather!
Now, you also brought up Genesis 6:3; however, you are looking at a particular translation of the Hebrew which is somewhat misleading (at least, it misled you):
Genesis 6:3
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
KJV
Bree'shiyt 6:3
3 Vayo'mer YHWH, "Lo' yaadown ruwchiy baa'aadaam l`olaam bshaggam huw' baasaar; vhaayuw yaamaayv mee'aah v`esriym shaanaah:"
JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, Jewish Publication Society
3 Vayo'mer = 3 And-said
YHWH, = YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
"Lo' = "Not
yaadown = shall-strive
ruwchiy = my-Spirit
baa'aadaam = in-man
l`olaam = to-vanishing-point
bshaggam = in-straying/sinning
huw' = he
baasaar; = flesh;
vhaayuw = and-shall-be
yaamaayv = his-days
mee'aah = a-hundred
v`esriym = and-twenty
shaanaah:" = years:"
3 And-said YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD "Not shall-strive my-Spirit in-man to-vanishing-point in-straying/sinning he [is] flesh; and-shall-be his-days a-hundred and-twenty years:"
Now, what happened to your word "also?" IT'S NOT THERE!
Well, not exactly. Again, to be that picky, one MUST look at the Hebrew:
Mlaakhiym A 17:20-22
20 Vayiqraa' el YHWH vayo'mar, "YHWH Elohaay hagam `al haa'almaanaah asher aniy mitgowreer `imaah haree`owtaa lhaamiyt et bnaah?"
21 Vayitmodeed `al hayeled shaalosh p`aamiym vayiqraa' el YHWH vayo'mar, "YHWH Elohaay, taashaav naa' nefesh hayeled hazeh `al qirbow."
22 Vayishma` YHWH bqowl Eeliyaahuw vataashaav nefesh hayeled `al qirbow vayechiy.
JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, Jewish Publication Society
20 Vayiqraa' = 20 And-he-cried-out
el = to
YHWH = YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
vayo'mar, = and-said,
"YHWH = "YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
Elohaay = my-God
hagam = also
`al = against/upon
haa'almaanaah = the-widow
asher = whom
aniy = I
mitgowreer = lodge
`imaah = with-(her)
haree`owtaa = hast-Thou-spoiled
lhaamiyt = to-the-killing
et = (direct object follows)
bnaah?" = of-her-son?"
21 Vayitmodeed = 21 And-he-extended-himself
`al = against/upon
hayeled = the-boy
shaalosh = three
p`aamiym = strokes
vayiqraa' = and-cried-out
el = to
YHWH = YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
vayo'mar, = and-said,
"YHWH = "YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
Elohaay, = my-God,
taashaav = turn-back/retreat
naa' = now
nefesh = a-soul/breather/life
hayeled = of-the-boy
hazeh = this-one
`al = against/upon
qirbow." = his-battle."
22 Vayishma` = 22 And-heard
YHWH = YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD
bqowl = in-calling-aloud
Eeliyaahuw = Eliyahu/Elijah
vataashaav = and-turned-back/retreated
nefesh = a-soul/breather/life
hayeled = of-the-boy
`al = against/upon
qirbow = his-battle
vayechiy. = and-he-lived.
20 And-he-cried-out to YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD and-said, "YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD my-God also against/upon the-widow whom I lodge with-(her) hast-Thou-spoiled to-the-killing (direct object follows) of-her-son?"
21 And-he-extended-himself against/upon the-boy three strokes and-cried-out to YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD and-said, "YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD my-God, turn-back/retreat now a-soul/breather/life of-the-boy this-one against/upon his-battle."
22 And-heard YaHuWH/ADONAI/LORD in-calling-aloud Eliyahu/Elijah and-turned-back/retreated a-soul/breather/life of-the-boy against/upon his-battle and-he-lived.
Good! I'm GLAD you don't! (And, you're welcome.) Then, don't think of these as lessons on Greek but rather as lessons on ATTENTION TO DETAIL. Just don't forget, while you're forming your opinions on prophecy and eschatology, to what "hell" might refer, and take the initiative to look up WHICH "hell" the verse it talking about!
I'm not saying that God is limited to this Universe in any way; HOWEVER, I AM saying that what people CALL "God's Heavenly Abode" or "Heaven" is really just the New Jerusalem, and that the New Jerusalem IS within our galaxy, close enough that it won't take too much time to get here, and far enough away that if it can be seen at all, it would be mistaken for a star (and I believe a RED star because jasper is the "blood flecks" of the bloodstone or heliotrope). Again, this is because Hebrews 12:22 calls it "Ierousaleem epouranioo," "Jerusalem from-above-the-sky," using the SAME GREEK WORD that is used in 1 Corinthians 15:40-41 for the "soomata epourania," "celestial bodies," such as the sun, moon, and stars!
It's really not that far-fetched nor is it unbiblical. So, why be a nay-sayer all the time?
All that and not one single consideration of the Matthew 10:28 usage of "soul" (psuche - equivalent to Hebrew nephesh).
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(KJV)
That one verse strikes down all your doctrines of men that one's soul is part of the material matter of flesh.
The word 'substance' does not automatically mean material matter. That's only one defintion for substance.
Shalom, "Son of Man."
"EYE-WITNESSES?!!" Do you really believe that? So, Jude (Y'hudah) and Simon Peter (Shim`own Kefa) were THERE?!!! The Bible hasn't been in existence THAT long that the authors of the Bible would have been present before the Flood!
I'm opening this up to all reading:
Shalom, veteran.
Hello, McFly? <Knock Knock Knock> Is anybody in there? Is anybody home? THINK, McFly, THINK!
They are able to kill the body but are not able to kill the "body and the spirit," the "SOUL!" The "soul" is NOT an immaterial part separate from the body; it is the COMBINATION of the body (the physical part) and the spirit (the immaterial part). It CONTAINS an immaterial part as well as the physical part!
You may THINK you've "killed a big one," but ... OOPS! ... you hit a straw man, instead!
Sorry, but you'll have to do better than that.
While you're knocking, you might knock on that hard head of yours.
If the flesh body is dead, and the soul is not, then it's impossible for them to be the same thing. Saying it is is to put one's faith in flesh salvation, which is only ASSUMED by those who cannot fathom this matter per God's Word.
Paul covered this difference in 1 Cor.15 about the resurrection, as also in 2 Cor.5 about the heavenly body or "spiritual body", and also as Christ did to Nicodemus in John 3. That which is born of flesh IS flesh He said, and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit (John 3:6).
Not only that, but this matter was first defined by Solomon in Ecclesiates 12:5-7, with the flesh body goes BACK to the earth where it came from, and the spirit goes BACK to God Who gave it.
If you'd rather believe something else, that's your problem.
If I'm understanding everyone correctly on this one I side with Retro. From what I can remember from a study on this several years ago the soul is what allows a body to have a spirit. And it allows animals to have life. Though I'm not completely sure and actually it doesn't matter a whole lot to me but I should study it again.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Both fish and animals are said to have a soul.
It appears that Adam became a living soul after God gave him a spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Peter and Jude, Paul, Matthew, John, and Christ Himself were eye witnesses to the fact that the book of Enoch was part of their scriptures.
While you're knocking, you might knock on that hard head of yours.
If the flesh body is dead, and the soul is not, then it's impossible for them to be the same thing. Saying it is is to put one's faith in flesh salvation, which is only ASSUMED by those who cannot fathom this matter per God's Word.
Paul covered this difference in 1 Cor.15 about the resurrection, as also in 2 Cor.5 about the heavenly body or "spiritual body", and also as Christ did to Nicodemus in John 3. That which is born of flesh IS flesh He said, and that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit (John 3:6).
Not only that, but this matter was first defined by Solomon in Ecclesiates 12:5-7, with the flesh body goes BACK to the earth where it came from, and the spirit goes BACK to God Who gave it.
If you'd rather believe something else, that's your problem.