Book Of Revelation
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Interesting, except I would say:
The Throne represents the actual Throne of God
The 24 elders, represents the actual 24 elders sitting before the throne of God
The 7 spirits represent the 7 churches of God in the revelation
The slain Lamb represents Jesus Christ, the Lamb slain before the world, to be our savior
It is very simple. And we need to keep it simple.
Correct. Unless we read Revelation is its plain literal sense we will never understand the message of that book. However, for too many that is too painful, so they imagine all kinds of fantasies in Revelation, and even blatantly deny that a thousand years literally means a thousand years (a millennium). Then there are those who take 1,260 days to mean 1,260 years and add to the confusion. And the problem could have easily been avoided by connecting 42 months to 1,260 days, to time, times, and half a time, all of which equal 3 1/2 years.
Brakelite
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The context in which those times are given are symbolic. There is no reason to make one part of a symbolic prophecy, literal. There are compelling reasons for the day/year concept. They do not add confusion at all, but clarity and confidence in prophecy, because the 1260 years, and other day/year time prophecies fits neatly into history, harmonizing with the other symbols of prophecy.
If you read the very first chapter of Revelation you are told what it is. It is the testimony of Jesus Christ. The letters to the churches were what Christ told us in the parables concerning false Christians and false doctrine entering the church. The seven seal is the time period from Pentecost until the sun is darkened and the moon blood red. This is what Peter spoke on the day of Pentecost. And we know Christ spoke of the seven trumpets by the descriptions he gave. The question you need to understand is this. The only written scriptures until the New Testament was brought together was the Hebrew scrolls. False doctrine was already being preached during the apostles day. The revelation was given to us that we may have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Of things past, present and future. It was also written that if anyone took away from it would suffer the curse. The revelation is what Christ revealed to us.
Blacklit this is revealed in the book of Daniel when the angel told him that 70 weeks are determined upon the house of Israel. The angel breaks it up into three parts. The first was to be 7weeks which was the time for build the temple. The second was 62 weeks which involve Christ coming and dying and Jerusalem being destroyed. Now the temple was 49 years. The 62 weeks reprinted 434 years. We see the end of the 62 weeks end in 69AD. This leaves one week left to be fulfilled. The space between the ending of the 62 weeks to the start of the last week is the period of God’s grace to the Gentiles. We see this time span ending in revelation 10 when we see time is declared no longer. The last week is 7 years. The 1260 days represent the first half the the last seven years. If you want to know the time of the appearance of the beast. Study the scriptures a find out what the beast is and how it rises from the pit.
Hi. I'd suggest that if you decided to read Revelation, that you first ask Holy Spirit to help you understand it.
I remember reading it and I came away with the knowledge that Jesus really loved me. I've since gotten deeper revelation.
Take what God gives you and leave the rest for perhaps another time. :)
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I believe it was given to the people in John's time, but was written for and about us. That may seem like a mysterious answer, but it isn't really. Obviously the first part is true. John wrote it and it was circulated. But it was written for us and about us because (I believe) we are at the end point (meaning the battle is about to begin and the 1000 year reign is around the corner).
That being said, I imagine folks in history thought the same thing. The rise of Islam, the year 1000 AD, the black plague era... WWI and WWII (especially with the nuclear age coming). Well, they were right to believe so based on their information. Same with us. If this isn't the last generation we will join them that were rightfully preparing.
So it was written for our generation because we are at the end. And if not, the next generation better take it just as seriously.
As for my thoughts on the book itself: some have said it is full of symbolism and others say it should be taken literally. I personally believe it is full of symbolism (as is the rest of the Bible) but a lot of the symbolism is indeed explained in the book.
There is a lot of debate about it and theories on what means what (we have seen that in this thread). Were the 7 Churches merely 7 churches found in Asia (Turkey) at the time, or do they represent 7 ages? Who is the woman in chapter 12: is it Sarah, is it Mary or is it the Church (bride of Christ)? Who are the 7 thunders in chapter 10? And what did they say? Or were the literally thunder (which are just sound caused by lightening) that had another voice (thus a sound making another sound.... I have a hard time taking that literally!)
The book is fascinating, some say its simple others say its complicated. I have no problem saying its controversial. Until these things happen, Christians as a whole may never agree on everything.
lilygrace
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the most important thing i think not to sit on on the fence on is the mark. that really appears as a matter of life and death. someones soul 
All understanding comes God Alone. I alway ask my Father for understanding. I pray the the Father will open it up to all who read it desiring understanding.
I'm not sure how you got all this out of me telling Charity that I love reading her posts...but ok.
Stumpmaster
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Nope my dearest fellow Ontarian... we are NOT... I earned this fair and square... I just read your prayer request... Please
know that you are in my thoughts and prayers... I have also enjoyed reading your posts...
Time is near it just lacked the one week in Daniel’s prophecy of the seventy weeks. The time span is where God’s grace stepped in.
I posted a thread on the decline in bee population, which is a direct threat to our food production. I believe that part of what the Black Horseman represents is famine.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...re-vanishing-scientists-blame-climate-change/
Revelation 6
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Perhaps the decline in the bee population might be a sign that the Black Horseman is here?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...re-vanishing-scientists-blame-climate-change/
Revelation 6
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Perhaps the decline in the bee population might be a sign that the Black Horseman is here?
Stumpmaster
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Canada (at least the government of Canada) is short on common sense. How will you export that? The utter stupidity of the politicians is a sight to behold.
kaz if you will examine the prophecy of Joel that Peter quoted on Pentecost you see something that you may not of seen before. He tells us that the pouring out of the Holy Spirit will be poured out among all men from the Day of Pentecost until the sun is darkened and the moon turned to blood red. You see the sun and moon event with the 6th seal. Death and famines have taken place for nearly 2000 years. What these seals show us is the time span of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. They began after the destruction of Jerusalem. God said he would scatter the nation through the would and these seals are showing the judgment against Israel. And as the Lord said it rains on the just as well as the unjust. Meaning the whole world would be affected by them. There is a great famine coming. It is the famine of God’s word. We’re being to see it happening now. There will come a time men will seek the way of righteousness and won’t be able to know it. And then we see that when the event of the sun and moon event takes place all the earth will see Christ in the air with his angels and they will say hide us from the wrath of the lamb. But there is no place to hide from the wrath of the lamb. Read the quote from Peter and see what you can because Peter was giving us a yard stick of time.
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