born again is of the word of God
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Not to say anything about our baptism into Christ, however, this is a misuse of the passage.
This passage does not say that "Baptism is from heaven",
Matthew 21:24-27 KJV
24) And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
25) The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
26) But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
27) And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
We need to be careful readers and faithful witnesses.
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Baptismal regeneration, that being born again is accomplished in the water. Not that baptism precedes being born again, rather, you are only born again being water baptized. That's the idea?
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matt 28:19-20 the apostles baptized the disciples
Jn 20:21-23 Christ breathed the new covenant life into the apostles and they make disciples by the Christian sacrament of baptism Matt 28:19 Jn 4:1
Baptism is supposed to represent the putting to death of the Old Man and as such is the beginning of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in us. Man has turned it into a mere ritual of religion, whether in the form of infant baptism, or it being used as a requirement of membership in the church. It has nothing to do with salvation, But the next step we take in our salvation that produces growth Spiritually.
Wouldn't it be better to say the beginning of God's sanctifying work is our baptism into Jesus Christ?
And what of the person who is not water baptized? Where are they in your thinking? Completely unsanctified?
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The fact is, our real baptism is being immersed into Jesus Himself. There is no sanctification outside of Christ, Who is "made unto us . . . sanctification". Being baptized/immersed into Christ sanctified us. Christ in us is our sanctification.
It's not water . . . it's Jesus.
Isn't the reality that we are baptized into Jesus, and in doing so, join Him in His death and resurrection, to receive our new spiritual life from Him? That His Spirit living in us is Who sanctifies us, and He is in us not because we've been immersed into a tub of water, but because we've been immersed into Christ Himself?
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1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
To become a child of God, you must choose to receive Jesus, (John 1:12),by asking Him into your heart (Revelation 3:20), where He then dwells (Ephesians 3:17and Colossians 1:27), plus you must choose to repent and ask Him to forgive your sins so they are forgiven (Acts 3:19 and Acts 20:21), and call upon His name to be saved Romans 10:13.
Prayer for salvation: Lord Jesus, I believe you died for my sins and rose again - please come into my heart, forgive my sins, save my soul, and make me a new creation. In your name, amen.
Prayer for salvation: Lord Jesus, I believe you died for my sins and rose again - please come into my heart, forgive my sins, save my soul, and make me a new creation. In your name, amen.
When we are saved, we receive the earnest of the Spirit, When we are Baptized, the fulness, over a life of being sanctified. Something changes in you when you are baptized.... I do not know if I have words to explain it. Some denominations have a concept know as total surrender which acts similarly, Others call it the second work of Grace. It is a Baptism that happens in the believer of total yielding to the work of the Holy Ghost. The water itself is symbolic.
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:4)
The "free grace" theologies do not account for this second work of Grace in the Believer. They have Jesus as Savior, But not as LORD. They berate this teaching in the negative as "Lordship salvation" and it being "legalistic". Same thing with Holiness movements who teach this second work of Grace. To me, and from my experience in a relationship with God, this leads them to miss out on the sweet savor of His presence in us.
As I said above, the water itself is symbolic, and Baptism is not a salvation issue.... the thief on the cross was not baptized yet he was saved.
There’s nothing there that are works of the law of Moses, which is what Paul always refers to in all his epistles- not to mention Paul wrote Romans 10:8-13.
Robert Gwin
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As you see by not knowing the name of the holy spirit, it is not to be understood literally. Depending on their progression, at one point all Christians will get baptized, which is part of their spiritual progression, but most are obviously still infants.
why does he give the new creation new covenant life to the apostles?
why does he give them power to forgive sins?
how can you receive the grace of justification without the Christian sacrament of baptism?
faith alone is a condemned heresy!
accept Christ as you’re personal lord and savior is not in the Bible!
mourn salvation is not personal but in common jude 1:3 the communion of saints the new covenant we enter by faith and baptism!
faith alone?
Faith alone! That means faith alone! Period!
No sacraments ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21
No repentance Lk 3:3
No suffering Mk 8:34 Mk 10:21 Phil 1:29
No hope rom 8:24
No charity 1 cor 13:2 1 cor 13:13
No love of God duet. 6:5
No grace Jn 1:16-17
No nothing but faith alone!
Alone means alone!
Rom 8: 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13
And never “faith alone”!
Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?
Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?
Faith alone?
1 cor 13:2 and 13:13, Phil 1:29, James 2:24 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 oppose faith alone!
baptism did not apply to the thief
It was not required till the death of the savior
Heb 9: 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
baptism is a salvation issue
1 pet 3:20-21
The church is the ark of salvation entered by baptism
what’s wrong with baptized infants it’s fully biblical
Jesus Christ eternal God and truth itself says you must be baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit
