Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?

[Ritajanice]

Paul, in that chapter is describing and defending his and the other apostles and prophets divine inspiration and revelation by the Holy Spirit. When He says "we have the mind of Christ", is talking about himself and the other apostles and prophets who are divinely inspired. He is not talking about you. You have not been divinely inspired. Being born again does not ascribe divine inspiration and does not yield divinely inspired revelation. You do not have the mind of Christ.

Please prove it using scripture?

What has God revealed to our spirit @JBO ?

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God

Spoken to a Born Again @JBO ....which means what?

Your opinion are irrelevant to the word of God @JBO

1 Corinthians 2​

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2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.


A Born Again is spiritual @JBO..but, as Gods word says @JBO

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
A Born Again has the mind of Christ we were predestined to become Born Again of imperishable seed?

Therefore we are being made into the image of Jesus...we are saints and heirs with Christ....and please prove my witnessing wrong, by posting scripture not your opinions @JBO ?..many thanks.

 

[JBO]

Please prove it using scripture?

Your opinion are irrelevant to the word of God @JBO

You just did that yourself by posting 1 Corinthians 2. That entire chapter is Paul's defense of his divine inspiration. Your opinion about what it means is irrelevant.

Paul states in verse 4, "my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power".

That introduces all that he has to say in the rest of that chapter. He continues that by explaining they, the saints to whom he is writing, that "I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ."

His audience, to whom he was writing to at the time was " the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours" (1 Cor 1:2).

You should not try to place yourself above those who were being taught and had already been taught by Paul himself. And you certainly cannot place yourself alongside of the Apostle Paul.

 

[Ritajanice]

You just did that yourself by posting 1 Corinthians 2. That entire chapter is Paul's defense of his divine inspiration. Your opinion about what it means is irrelevant.

Paul states in verse 4, "my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power".

That introduces all that he has to say in the rest of that chapter. He continues that by explaining they, the saints to whom he is writing, that "I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ."

His audience, to whom he was writing to at the time was " the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours" (1 Cor 1:2).

You should not try to place yourself above those who were being taught and had already been taught by Paul himself. And you certainly cannot place yourself alongside of the Apostle Paul.

Once again an opinion..please provide Scripture to support your case.

A Born Again is a saint and has been crucified in Christ.

You have just yet again...voiced an opinion on what that scripture is saying.

Therefore disagree with your opinion.

And once again a Born Again is spiritual @JBO

Please answer the questions instead of always evading them?

You read from your own human understanding...imo.

 

[Ritajanice]

You should not try to place yourself above those who were being taught and had already been taught by Paul himself. And you certainly cannot place yourself alongside of the Apostle Paul.

I place myself above no one.....a Born Again is spiritual...please explain what that means?

A Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed...how would we know this?

I am being taught by the Holy Spirit.....reading your posts, imo you teach yourself....therefore void of Gods truth.imo....scripture is understood in the Spirit.

Not in intellectual knowledge.

Are you Born Again of imperishable seed @JBO or are you a Christian?

Are you spiritual?

 

[JBO]

Once again an opinion..please provide Scripture to support your case.

A Born Again is a saint and has been crucified in Christ.

You have just yet again...voiced an opinion on what that scripture is saying.

Therefore disagree with your opinion.

And once again a Born Again is spiritual @JBO

Please answer the questions instead of always evading them?

You read from your own human understanding...imo.

You are talking about yourself. Everything you just posted is your opinion. I posted Scripture to support my case. I didn't evade anything. I posted the scripture. 1 Corinthians 3:1 is addressed to his readers. You are one of his readers. 1 Corinthians 3:1 is scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are talking about yourself. Everything you just posted is your opinion. I posted Scripture to support my case. I didn't evade anything. I posted the scripture. 1 Corinthians 3:1 is addressed to his readers. You are one of his readers. 1 Corinthians 3:1 is scripture.

You posted scripture..that you believed it to be saying what “ you” believed it to be saying, therefore your own opinion.

I ask again how do you understand God’s word?

You evade all of my questions @JBO ....

 

[JBO]

I place myself above no one.....a Born Again is spiritual...please explain what that means?

A Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed...how would we know this?

I am being taught by the Holy Spirit.....reading your posts, imo you teach yourself....therefore void of Gods truth.imo....scripture is understood in the Spirit.

Not in intellectual knowledge.

Are you Born Again of imperishable seed @JBO or are you a Christian?

Are you spiritual?

Since you think there is a difference between being born again and being a Christian, it is obvious that you know what either one means. that is most definitely not taught by the Holy Spirit.

 

[JBO]

I ask again how do you understand God’s word?

Clearly a lot better than you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Since you think there is a difference between being born again and being a Christian, it is obvious that you know what either one means. that is most definitely not taught by the Holy Spirit.

Please answer my questions?

Galatians 3:16 KJV​

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

Hebrews 4:12-13​

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12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

What do you think God sends out of his mouth, if it’s not the Holy Spirit?....his seed?..
The Holy Spirit...is the life giver....the life giver of Faith and His Spirit....how can you know God without the gift of Faith a manifestation of the Spirit....where does that faith manifest itself ?......it manifests itself in the heart/spirit of Gods Born Again...the Holy Spirit is the seed.....we are Born Again of imperishable seed....Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Isaiah 55:11​

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11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 Peter 1:23

We’ve been saved by the living Word of God. That Word is a seed that’s growing inside of us. It will never decay or diminish. It’s there forever.

It’s the word of God that grows in our hearts..his word is what grows and matures us in Christ?
His word is making us into the image of Jesus.....his word is Alive and Active......he’s called the Holy Spirit and without the Spirit we are none of His.

So, how can the Holy Spirit come and go in us?.....

A Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed....that liveth and abideth forever in our hearts ....the seed is the Holy Spirit my dear friend.....Gods Living word.never ever to leave us.

 

[Ritajanice]

Clearly a lot better than you.

This isn’t scripture...please post scripture....not your silly childish play.

What is the difference between a Born Again and a Christian...the two are different?

 

[JBO]

Please answer my questions?

Galatians 3:16 KJV​

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

Hebrews 4:12-13​

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12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

What do you think God sends out of his mouth, if it’s not the Holy Spirit?....his seed?..
The Holy Spirit...is the life giver....the life giver of Faith and His Spirit....how can you know God without the gift of Faith a manifestation of the Spirit....where does that faith manifest itself ?......it manifests itself in the heart/spirit of Gods Born Again...the Holy Spirit is the seed.....we are Born Again of imperishable seed....Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Isaiah 55:11​

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11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 Peter 1:23

We’ve been saved by the living Word of God. That Word is a seed that’s growing inside of us. It will never decay or diminish. It’s there forever.

It’s the word of God that grows in our hearts..his word is what grows and matures us in Christ?
His word is making us into the image of Jesus.....his word is Alive and Active......he’s called the Holy Spirit and without the Spirit we are none of His.

So, how can the Holy Spirit come and go in us?.....

A Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed....that liveth and abideth forever in our hearts ....the seed is the Holy Spirit my dear friend.....Gods Living word.never ever to leave us.

Posting passages of scripture doesn't mean you have the slightest notion of what they mean. Everything you think about those passages is simply your opinion and only your opinion. And those opinions are usually wrong. And that is my opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

Posting passages of scripture doesn't mean you have the slightest notion of what they mean. Everything you think about those passages is simply your opinion and only your opinion. And those opinions are usually wrong.

You did exactly the same...you posted scripture out of context . You ripped them from their proper context.

Then challenge me on what I’ve posted @JBO .....because quite frankly you can’t prove what I say is wrong.

You just post your opinions....challenge me on what I’ve posted?

We are Born Again of imperishable seed..which means what?

This is what I mean when I say a Born Again is different from a Christian?

 

[JBO]

What is the difference between a Born Again and a Christian...the two are different?

No. A Christian is born again, a born again is a Christian. Post Scripture to prove they are not the same.

 

[JBO]

We are Born Again of imperishable seed..which means what?

You tell us. Use scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

You tell us. Use scripture.

I have many times..you never answer....Born Again verses a Christian.imo.

 

[Ritajanice]

You tell us. Use scripture.

John 3:7​

“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

Please show me in scripture that a Christian is called a Born Again?

There is no where in scripture that says a Christian is Born Again.....it’s just mere speculation...which is not Gods word @JBO

Gods word says we must be Born Again of imperishable seed....the seed @JBO is the Holy Spirit, ?

God given faith is also a manifestation of the Spirit...it manifests itself in to the heart/ spirit of Gods child? Born Again?

 

[JBO]

John 3:7​

“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

Please show me in scripture that a Christian is called a Born Again?

There is no where in scripture that says a Christian is Born Again.....it’s just mere speculation...which is not Gods word @JBO

Please show me in scripture that a Christian is not a Born Again?

There is no where in scripture that says a Christian is not a Born Again.....it’s just your mere speculation...which is not Gods word

 

[Ritajanice]

Please show me in scripture that a Christian is not a Born Again?

There is no where in scripture that says a Christian is not a Born Again.....it’s just your mere speculation...which is not Gods word

Show me where God says a Christian is Born Again?...you won’t find it.

Have you been Born Again of imperishable seed ?

You should know the answer if you are Born Again?

A Christian is not a Born Again....Christian verses Born Again @JBO

God says we must be Born Again.....he doesn’t say a Christian is Born Again as I’m sure you would have shown me by now @JBO ?

How was a Born Again reconciled back to God @JBO .?

Why is there no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus @JBO ?
Born Again verses Christian.

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JBO]

Show me where God says a Christian is Born Again?...you won’t find it.

Show me where God says a Christian is not born again....You won't find it. It is not there.

 

[Ritajanice]

Show me where God says a Christian is not born again....You won't find it. It is not there.

Gods word says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God...he doesn’t say a Christian..

A Born Again can’t stop the process of becoming Born Again no more than they can stop being Born Again of imperishable seed.

Now, let’s discuss this scripture ?
As it’s in it’s proper context?

Berean Standard Bible

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Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians
(Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7)
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Spiritual Blessings
(Romans 8:28–34)
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ.
11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.
13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.
Spiritual Wisdom
(1 Corinthians 2:6–16)
15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.
18I ask that the eyes of your heartb may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength, 20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.
22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.