Born of water

[ChristisGod]

Born of Water John 3

John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.

The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.

The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Understanding Jesus teaching in John 3 on Born Again !

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?


So lets go through this point by point.

1- to enter the kingdom of God a person must be born again( a 2nd time)
2- flesh gives birth to flesh ( 1st birth )
3- the Spirit gives birth to spirit( 2nd birth )
4- the wind(spirit) blows wherever IT pleases
5- we hear the sound of the wind but do not know where it is coming from or going to
6- the same with the Spirit( we see its effects but not its coming or going)
7- the spirit is the same as the wind- it does as it pleases and we see its effects in both the natural(wind) and supernatural ( spirit)
8- God causes us to be born again
9- the new birth is compared to the physical birth just as the wind is compared to the spirits work
10- in both cases of birth God is the Active One and the one who is birthed is passive in the process.

There can be no other reading into the text but what has been outlined in the 10 points. Those 10 points are directly from the text.

Now The PARALLELS and CONTRASTS Jesus makes in the passage are the following 10 by reading through and observing the passage :

1- the 2 births
2- the wind and the spirit
3- flesh and the spirit
4- water and spirit
5- earthly and heavenly things
6- effects of both the wind and spirit
7- the seen with the unseen
8- the physical with the supernatural
9- knowing and not knowing, understanding and not understanding
10- entering the kingdom and not entering the kingdom

conclusion: just as flesh gives birth to flesh( 1st birth as a person) so to does the Spirit give birth to the spirit(the new birth- born again)

hope this helps !!!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Born of Water John 3

John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.

The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.

The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

hope this helps !!!

We cannot choose to go to heaven, God chooses those whom He chooses to anoint.

 

[Zachariah]

Born of Water John 3

John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.

The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.

The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

hope this helps !!!

Being born of water can be seen as both spiritual and physicle. It is the place of rest. Number 7. Generally speaking it is a spiritual place of enlightenment achievable in the physicle flesh. 777

 

[mailmandan]

In regards to the word "water" in John 3:5, there are those who would argue that the natural sense of the passage parallels "water" with being born out of a mother’s womb (verse 4) and with "flesh" (verse 6). The first is a physical, literal, "flesh" birth, which is accompanied by amniotic water and the second is Spirit.

There are also those who would argue that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.

Yet there are still others who would argue that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.

If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. Scripture must harmonize with scripture. For someone to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

 

[Behold]

2 Births

One is your Earth Birth......your birthday........Your mother is involved.

One is your Spiritual Birth Day.....Its the day you were born again.....and God caused that one after you gave God your Faith in Christ.

= Jesus said....."you must be.....BORN...........AGAIN..... thats #2, and water can't do that for you.

 

[ChristisGod]

We cannot choose to go to heaven, God chooses those whom He chooses to anoint.

Man chooses to respond positively or negatively to the gospel when they hear it. They either receive it or reject it. If they receive the gospel by faith then they become born again and have eternal life and if not then they will not have eternal life and not go to be with Christ in heaven.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Ezekiel 18 declares : “a NEW SPIRIT I WILL (future) put WITHIN them…” These predictions mean that even Ezekiel was not regenerated, nor was any man prior to Ezekiel. And Ezekiel lived near the end of the OT time period.

Scripture talks about 2 kinds of life. Physical and Spiritual. What other “kind of life” does the Bible talk about other than the life we are given in the flesh when we are born of the flesh, and eternal life which we are given when we are born of the Spirit? There is no other “kind of life” taught about in the Bible. When a man is born of the eternal Spirit, by the eternal Word of God, he is given eternal life. A man is regenerated when He is made alive with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:5). Can a man be “made alive with Jesus Christ” apart from having Jesus Christ dwelling in him? Also, Paul explicitly states, “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. And if any man HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRSIT HE IS NONE OF HIS.” (Rom. 8:9). We are born again THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD (1Peter 1:3). Can a man be born again through the resurrection of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ actually rose again from the dead? No so Jesus in John 3 was not talking about spiritual life in the OT but the promise of the Spirit that would come at Pentecost when His spirit would be poured out upon all who believe in Him and become born again children of God from the preaching of the gospel and receiving Him as Lord.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Robert Gwin]

Man chooses to respond positively or negatively to the gospel when they hear it. They either receive it or reject it. If they receive the gospel by faith then they become born again and have eternal life and if not then they will not have eternal life and not go to be with Christ in heaven.

hope this helps !!!

It is true they choose either to accept or reject the gospel, but of course God chooses those in whom He will anoint for that special privilege. Most who receive eternal life will not be going to heaven sir.

 

[ChristisGod]

It is true they choose either to accept or reject the gospel, but of course God chooses those in whom He will anoint for that special privilege. Most who receive eternal life will not be going to heaven sir.

Whoever has eternal life will be wherever Christ is dwelling.

 

[Behold]

It is true they choose either to accept or reject the gospel, but of course God chooses those in whom He will anoint for that special privilege.

Calvin is such a devil led, Cross hating, liar.
You should get away from His mind control., once you understand what has happened to you.

Remember..

GOD is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist.
Paul is not a Calvinist.

God creates : CHRISTians

Calvin : creates Calvinists.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Whoever has eternal life will be wherever Christ is dwelling.

I assume you are referring to Jesus Chris, he is a spirit being who resides in heaven. Perhaps you are unaware of God's purpose for the earth, it has not changed sir, most who are given the gift of eternal life will reside on the earth. Ps 37:29; Rev 21:3,4

 

[Robert Gwin]

Calvin is such a devil led, Cross hating, liar.
You should get away from His mind control., once you understand what has happened to you.

Remember..

GOD is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist.
Paul is not a Calvinist.

God creates : CHRISTians

Calvin : creates Calvinists.

I thought he was a cartoon character, oh well, shows you what I know sir.

 

[Jay Ross]

I assume you are referring to Jesus Chris, he is a spirit being who resides in heaven. Perhaps you are unaware of God's purpose for the earth, it has not changed sir, most who are given the gift of eternal life will reside on the earth. Ps 37:29; Rev 21:3,4

Sir to make this post right, you need to change the word "most" to "all people" such that it reads: -

Perhaps you are unaware of God's purpose for the earth, it has not changed sir, all people who are given the gift of eternal life will reside on the earth. Ps 37:29 states it very clearly: -​

PS 37:27-29: -

27 Depart from evil, and do good;​

And dwell forevermore.​

28 For the Lord loves justice,​

And does not forsake His saints;​

They are preserved forever,​

But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.​

29 The righteous shall inherit the land/earth,​

And dwell in it forever.​

In the Abrahamic Covenant God clearly states that He has always intend Mankind to take possession of the whole earth: -

Genesis 12:1: - Promises to Abram​

1Now the Lord had said to Abram:​

​

“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To an earth that I will show you.​

 

[Robert Gwin]

Sir to make this post right, you need to change the word "most" to "all people" such that it reads: -

Perhaps you are unaware of God's purpose for the earth, it has not changed sir, all people who are given the gift of eternal life will reside on the earth. Ps 37:29 states it very clearly: -​

PS 37:27-29: -

27 Depart from evil, and do good;​

And dwell forevermore.​

28 For the Lord loves justice,​

And does not forsake His saints;​

They are preserved forever,​

But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.​

29 The righteous shall inherit the land/earth,​

And dwell in it forever.​

In the Abrahamic Covenant God clearly states that He has always intend Mankind to take possession of the whole earth: -

Genesis 12:1: - Promises to Abram​

1Now the Lord had said to Abram:​

​

“Get out of your country,​

From your family​

And from your father’s house,​

To an earth that I will show you.​

No sir, not in the habit of promoting a teaching that is not taught in the Bible Jay. I kinda hope you are correct though, but I don't think it is very likely.

 

[Keturah]

"The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing because  Salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to THOSE who believe in his name, 13 who were  born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."
Christophany

Amen. This sums up being born again. As is said by one author ," not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit",saith the Lord.

 

[ChristisGod]

"The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing because  Salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to THOSE who believe in his name, 13 who were  born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."
Christophany

Amen. This sums up being born again. As is said by one author ," not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit",saith the Lord.

Amen !!!

 

[rwb]

Ezekiel 18 declares : “a NEW SPIRIT I WILL (future) put WITHIN them…” These predictions mean that even Ezekiel was not regenerated, nor was any man prior to Ezekiel. And Ezekiel lived near the end of the OT time period.

Scripture talks about 2 kinds of life. Physical and Spiritual. What other “kind of life” does the Bible talk about other than the life we are given in the flesh when we are born of the flesh, and eternal life which we are given when we are born of the Spirit? There is no other “kind of life” taught about in the Bible. When a man is born of the eternal Spirit, by the eternal Word of God, he is given eternal life. A man is regenerated when He is made alive with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:5). Can a man be “made alive with Jesus Christ” apart from having Jesus Christ dwelling in him? Also, Paul explicitly states, “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. And if any man HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRSIT HE IS NONE OF HIS.” (Rom. 8:9). We are born again THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD (1Peter 1:3). Can a man be born again through the resurrection of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ actually rose again from the dead? No so Jesus in John 3 was not talking about spiritual life in the OT but the promise of the Spirit that would come at Pentecost when His spirit would be poured out upon all who believe in Him and become born again children of God from the preaching of the gospel and receiving Him as Lord.

hope this helps !!!

Your understanding and speaking from Pentecost forward, so what your saying is partially true. One must be born again of the Spirit, and without this new birth that comes according to grace through faith in Christ Old Covenant saints, such as Ezekiel could not be saved. But what you're leaving out is how faithful Ezekiel was saved according to grace through faith in the promised Messiah who would come to cleanse him from sin, and redeem him from death.

Yes, man is saved by the power of the Spirit in them, but the Spirit was present WITH Old Covenant faithful saints even though He was not sent to indwell within us until Christ ascended to heaven after His resurrection and sent Him to be IN men/women of faith. There are numerous examples of the work of the Spirit found in the Old Testament. Here are a few examples.

1 Samuel 16:13 (KJV) Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

2 Chronicles 20:14 (KJV) Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation;

2 Chronicles 24:20 (KJV) And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.

The Spirit has always operated among/with God's people, but the difference between His operation from Old Covenant to New Covenant is that under the Old the Spirit was not sent to be permanently IN those of faith until after Christ returned to heaven and sent Him.

John 14:16-17 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[rwb]

I assume you are referring to Jesus Chris, he is a spirit being who resides in heaven. Perhaps you are unaware of God's purpose for the earth, it has not changed sir, most who are given the gift of eternal life will reside on the earth. Ps 37:29; Rev 21:3,4

All who receive the gift of eternal life will also receive immortal bodies to reside with Christ forever on the NEW EARTH. Context gives more clarity for both Ps 37:29 and Rev 21:3-4.

Revelation 21:1-4 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Keturah]

"The Spirit has always operated among/ with God's people, but the difference between His operation from Old Covenant to New Covenant is that under the Old the Spirit was not sent to be permanently IN those of faith until after Christ returned to heaven and sent Him.
John 14:16-17 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." rwb

AMEN !