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Reader Let me show you how Paul explains : Justification

1
.) Its "God who Justifies" based on what He created/offers as the Justification,= being Imputed through Faith.

"Grace through Faith".

This is the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.. , which is God's Grace and God's Justification who is "The Gift of Salvaiton"

Jesus IS Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life..
.... and when you have Jesus in you... "Christ in you the Hope of Glory) (Glory is heaven) then you are "One with God" , In Christ, and born again.

2.) The ONLY proof of being born again, is that You have Jesus in you.. = You are now in Spiritual Union, with God and Christ

See,..., "if YOU have not the Spirit of Christ in you, then you are none of His". (None of Christ's and none of God's).

And,... "Christ IS That Spirit" and "God is A Spirit"... and that is why all the born again are become "The Temple of The HOLY Spirit".

See that Reader?


Now when this Eternal BLOOD Sacrifice, who is Christ on The Cross.... is applied to a believer, based on their FAITH that is "counted by God, as "righteousness", ...... we see that this Sacrifice of Christ, is the only JUSTIFICATION that God offers anyone. And Jesus refers to this as "I am THE WAY to the Father"... John 14:6, .. = "No person comes to the Father but by ME"..

And "BY ME"= The Cross of Christ.. "Justification by Faith".

3.) So, once a person has BELIEVED, then God counts/accepts their faith, by receiving it to then Justify them through the Cross of Christ as this is the Eternal Justification., that is Eternal REDEMPTION.

Now this BELIEVER = , who is now Justified, Sanctified, and Redeemed by the Blood and Death of Jesus, has become a "New Creation" in Christ"..... born again.

And having become so, is a Eternal Reality., as becoming a CHRISTian is, = born again = is completed.

4.) This is why all the born again are BECOME, .. not later, but have BECOME :

1.) Heir of God
2.) Joint Heir with Jesus
3.) Temple of the Holy Spirit
4a.) The Righteousness of God in Christ.


Now, look again at #4a Reader...

If you are born again, then you are become a "new Creation, IN Christ""... so you abide there...you exist there, having been "Translated from Darkness (unbelief) .... TO Light." = The KOG.

This Light is the KOG... This Light is "God exists IN Light".. And """"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World""" and all the born again are become "Children OF the Light".

See how all that is ONE ??

5.)
Now, Heretics, teach that you are still trying to make it. You are in the work of trying to abide there....

When the Reality is, you are already there having been born again there, and now are defined as a : "Child of the Light".

So, to be that one, you have become "MADE Righteous", or you could not be in the KOG as a "Child of Light."

And this brings us to the reason that the pre-incarnate Word came down here, and was Virgin born, and died on The Cross and is now risen and in Heaven.

Jesus came here to deal with the Law that was defining you as a sinner, and dealt with it., and that is why the born again are "not under the Law.....but under Grace".

Jesus became your sin bearer, so that you can become "The righteousness of God.. In Christ" = Born again.
= Jesus provided His sinless life on the Cross so that God could give it to you, as "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".. as :

= "THE Gift of Righteousness" ..

Being Born again, PROVES you have received God's "Gift of Righteousness".

6.) See Reader, God can't birth you into Himself, if you are not "made Righteous".... .so, that is why Christ dealt with all of your sin,

= "For God hath made Jesus TO BE .... SIN.... FOR US"....and because He has.. then that is why God gives you His very own Righteousness, as .."THE Gift of Righteousness".

God has birthed you.... as born again, as "made Righteous".

This is why God calls His redeemed : """Son/Daughter of God""... and He could not call you this, unless you have become, "A new Creation in Christ".. born again, AS.. """THE. Righteousness.... OF GOD.... "in Christ"."""

Reader..... all the born again are : "IN Christ".
 
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Who is justified by the Creator in the book of Romans 2 ......

Much different than usually expected....
 

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KJV Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

How does that fit in with your explanation of justification?
 

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The just one was betrayed and murdered, as that is what is unjust compared to Him dying to take them from such an evil conscience.

The conscience of God is love, and we see that in apostle Paul below, that he was chosen to know Gods will and to see that just one, hear the voice of HIs mouth. ( to be instructed in justice, by knowing the will of God is this justice which He did)....



Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
 

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The just one was betrayed and murdered, as that is what is unjust compared to Him dying to take them from such an evil conscience.

The conscience of God is love, and we see that in apostle Paul below, that he was chosen to know Gods will and to see that just one, hear the voice of HIs mouth. ( to be instructed in justice, by knowing the will of God is this justice which He did)....



Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
But none of that has much of anything to do with the meaning of the word "justified" in Luke 7:29.
 

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Reader Let me show you how Paul explains : Justification

1
.) Its "God who Justifies" based on what He created/offers as the Justification,= being Imputed through Faith.

"Grace through Faith".

This is the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.. , which is God's Grace and God's Justification who is "The Gift of Salvaiton"

Jesus IS Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life..
.... and when you have Jesus in you... "Christ in you the Hope of Glory) (Glory is heaven) then you are "One with God" , In Christ, and born again.

2.) The ONLY proof of being born again, is that You have Jesus in you.. = You are now in Spiritual Union, with God and Christ

See,..., "if YOU have not the Spirit of Christ in you, then you are none of His". (None of Christ's and none of God's).

And,... "Christ IS That Spirit" and "God is A Spirit"... and that is why all the born again are become "The Temple of The HOLY Spirit".

See that Reader?


Now when this Eternal BLOOD Sacrifice, who is Christ on The Cross.... is applied to a believer, based on their FAITH that is "counted by God, as "righteousness", ...... we see that this Sacrifice of Christ, is the only JUSTIFICATION that God offers anyone. And Jesus refers to this as "I am THE WAY to the Father"... John 14:6, .. = "No person comes to the Father but by ME"..

And "BY ME"= The Cross of Christ.. "Justification by Faith".

3.) So, once a person has BELIEVED, then God counts/accepts their faith, by receiving it to then Justify them through the Cross of Christ as this is the Eternal Justification., that is Eternal REDEMPTION.

Now this BELIEVER = , who is now Justified, Sanctified, and Redeemed by the Blood and Death of Jesus, has become a "New Creation" in Christ"..... born again.

And having become so, is a Eternal Reality., as becoming a CHRISTian is, = born again = is completed.

4.) This is why all the born again are BECOME, .. not later, but have BECOME :

1.) Heir of God
2.) Joint Heir with Jesus
3.) Temple of the Holy Spirit
4a.) The Righteousness of God in Christ.


Now, look again at #4a Reader...

If you are born again, then you are become a "new Creation, IN Christ""... so you abide there...you exist there, having been "Translated from Darkness (unbelief) .... TO Light." = The KOG.

This Light is the KOG... This Light is "God exists IN Light".. And """"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World""" and all the born again are become "Children OF the Light".

See how all that is ONE ??

5.)
Now, Heretics, teach that you are still trying to make it. You are in the work of trying to abide there....

When the Reality is, you are already there having been born again there, and now are defined as a : "Child of the Light".

So, to be that one, you have become "MADE Righteous", or you could not be in the KOG as a "Child of Light."

And this brings us to the reason that the pre-incarnate Word came down here, and was Virgin born, and died on The Cross and is now risen and in Heaven.

Jesus came here to deal with the Law that was defining you as a sinner, and dealt with it., and that is why the born again are "not under the Law.....but under Grace".

Jesus became your sin bearer, so that you can become "The righteousness of God.. In Christ" = Born again.
= Jesus provided His sinless life on the Cross so that God could give it to you, as "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".. as :

= "THE Gift of Righteousness" ..

Being Born again, PROVES you have received God's "Gift of Righteousness".

6.) See Reader, God can't birth you into Himself, if you are not "made Righteous".... .so, that is why Christ dealt with all of your sin,

= "For God hath made Jesus TO BE .... SIN.... FOR US"....and because He has.. then that is why God gives you His very own Righteousness, as .."THE Gift of Righteousness".

God has birthed you.... as born again, as "made Righteous".

This is why God calls His redeemed : """Son/Daughter of God""... and He could not call you this, unless you have become, "A new Creation in Christ".. born again, AS.. """THE. Righteousness.... OF GOD.... "in Christ"."""

Reader..... all the born again are : "IN Christ".
In being justified, one is not made righteous; but rather one is declared, reckoned, counted, credited as righteous. In justifying the sinner, God is forgiving his sins and declaring him as righteous. That is, perhaps, a minor point; but it is an important point.

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,

Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
 

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In being justified, one is not made righteous; but rather one is declared, reckoned, counted, credited as righteous. In justifying the sinner, God is forgiving his sins and declaring him as righteous. That is, perhaps, a minor point; but it is an important point.

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,

Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
The apostles of the Lord justly taught , preached by doing, ( approving themselves as the ministers of Christ) not by text..


1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 

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The apostles of the Lord justly taught , preached by doing, ( approving themselves as the ministers of Christ) not by text..


1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted.

But I am curious. You post as if you think 1 Corinthians 4:9-16 is about you. Did I get that right?
 

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Justification is not ignoring the testimony of God, it is in obeying/believing it.


Here is how again:


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.