I am sure you have noticed this my friend .
The problem with pre trib and those who cling too and sit under it IS
they cannot discern the diference between the wrath of GOD and the tribulation wrath of the beast .
THEY cannot see nor discern that indeed the church has been appointed unto triubalation
And that in fact its a manifest token of the righteous judgment of GOD by which we do suffer for THIS KINGDOM and THIS KING JESUS .
NOR will they be able to discern , IF THEY REPENT NOT and continue to follow men , THE VERY thing
which by which if a man do take , WILL FOREVER DAMN HIS SOUL .
i have heard them . David i have heard them even at times implying if one did take the mark HE can still repent .
OR that in no way can it be the mark IF we are still here . THEY BEING SET UP david . THEY ARE BEING
set up . And why one might wonder .
Because their cares are about THIS LIFE . they dont want to beleive THEY would ever have to suffer for HIS sake .
THEY want to beleive in one who can simply give them THEIR BEST LIFE NOW .
Pre trib has brought destruction before. AND sadly it will again .
Cause when the going started to get rough and threats of tribulation was coming against them
THEIR leaders sold them all the idea , HEY dont worry , we will soon be gone . GOD wont allow that .
AND THEN IT DID COME upon them and THEY DID FALL AWAY .
bedazzled and confused as to WHY GOD would have allowed them to go through it .
And later a preacher wept and gave a testimony about HOW that had happend to many churches in CHINA .
We had told and prepared our churches that they would NOT have to endure this that was coming .
AND it came and many sold out and felt betrayed by GOD .
The man was crying as he said this david . HE had repeneted for doing so .
But his tears and his voice were truly heavy and very sad that he had t aught them this
and NOT RATHER prepared them to ENDURE the TRIBULATION faithful to the end .
Everyone in the forum has discernment between tribulation and wrath. Except, ironically, the postribber hyper definition adherents.
Oh the irony.
There has never been a time and never will when "trouble" ( tribulation) is NOT CONTAINED in God's wrath.
Every time without exception, that God brings wrath, there is tribulation contained in the mix, on those people.
We all know trib, as a rule, comes from Satan.
God's wrath comes from God.
So all your posrrbibber "wrath vs Trib", talking points, are batting the air big time.
Since you start from a skewed starting place of "one coming" , which at this point is a total joke, your damage control has you all on a rabbit trail of hyper definitions.
You think coming up with hyper definitions gives some weird green light to void the rapture verses.
Very dishonest before God.
