Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hmmm, well at least here you're talking about baptism by the Holy Spirit happening to individuals, so yeah, I like that. But I would turn that around and say that those who believe do so because they get baptized by the Spirit.

Jesus had said this to the apostles before His ascension:

Acts 1:5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The apostles already believed in Christ at this point, yet they were not yet baptized with the Holy Spirit yet. So, that shows that they believed before being baptized by the Spirit rather than it being the case that they believed because they were baptized by the Spirit.

Jesus was referring to what would happen on the day of Pentecost not long from then.

Here's what happened on the day of Pentecost...

Acts 2:1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all [a]with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language......16 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

This is clearly related to the fulfillment of what Jesus had previously told the apostles would happen to them "not many days from now". And it happened to many others on that day as well, of course.

Then, a little after many had already received the Holy Spirit, Peter indicated that repentance, which goes hand in hand with faith, occurs before the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which occurs upon the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So, repentance and faith precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit rather than people believing "because they get baptized by the Spirit".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Half of a group taken and destroyed?
Half of what group is taken and destroyed before the flood?????
You made that up big time.
It in no way fits anything.

Please pay closer attention to what he and others are actually saying. He said nothing about anyone being taken and destroyed BEFORE the flood. He showed how Jesus said that unbelievers were taken away and destroyed BY the flood. Not BEFORE the flood. Come on. Read what people are saying more carefully so that you don't end up making a fool of yourself. You don't want people to think that you have no reading comprehension skills, do you?

 

[David in NJ]

and deception began the moment eve believed the lie .
Just as it begins the moment folks heed men over what GOD has said , Christ has said .
What is clearly written in the scrips is plain to see f or all who are His sheep .
And here it is for all to see .
THIS COMING again OF JESUS is a ONE TIME EVENT Folks . TO lay down THE WRATH OF GOD
against all who loved a lie , the beast , and all
As HE also comes for HIS OWN . ITS A ONE time event . NOT TWO seperate events . ONE TIME . very clearly
this is seen in the scriptures . Even in the writings of paul and of pe ter . VERY clearly seen .

Something very frightening that JESUS Said to the pharisees

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

 

[David in NJ]

Half of a group taken and destroyed?
Half of what group is taken and destroyed before the flood?????
You made that up big time.
It in no way fits anything.

JESUS Said "the Flood swept them away"

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Chapter ▾ Par ▾ Str ▾)
New International Version
and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

New Living Translation
People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.

English Standard Version
and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Berean Standard Bible
And they were oblivious until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Berean Literal Bible
And they did not know until the flood came and took away all. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.

King James Bible
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

New King James Version
and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

New American Standard Bible
and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You have to have a plausible model.
What are you trying to prove.
All die before the flood?????

No one would be dumb enough to try to prove something ridiculous like that, including him. How are you getting that from what he said? He came nowhere near saying anything like that. Obviously, all unbelievers died when the flood occurred, not before it occurred, as Jesus pointed out and as we can see from the account of what happened in Genesis 7.

You are painting yourself into a corner.

What are you saying???
The church is not taken, and all the world dies but a few Christians???
What is your point?????

How about just asking him the question once and letting him answer? Have some patience.

Jesus is using an anolgy to illustrate the rapture.
You = "no he is just saying all died in the flood."

That is not what he is saying. That is one thing that Jesus indicated and he is pointing that out, but he's not saying that is all that Jesus indicated.

Man.... do you ever get stuff messed up.

How would you know if he's getting things messed up or not when you are asking him what his point is? How about finding out what his point is first before making claims like this?

 

[David in NJ]

"one coming" deception,

The OT Declares only TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The GOSPEL only Declares TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The NT Apostles only Declare TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

Get it wrong and you've been STRUCK-OUT THREE Times

 

[amigo de christo]

Something very frightening that JESUS Said to the pharisees

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

And that there CHRIST of GOD told even the jews , IF YOU BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE , ye shall die in your sins .
HE ev en warned his own to shake the very dust of any who rejected JESUS AS THE CHRIST
for far far worse f or those on the day OF THE LORD .
SO why do i bring this up . cause anti christ ecumeincal mystery babylone intefaith
JUST CALLED JESUS , thus GOD A LIAR . and they want ME to join hands with that peace plan .
I got just two words for them all . HECK NO .
I dont serve anti christ but rather JESUS CHRIST . i dont hold hands and unify and find common ground
with a lie . And how i suggest all go and do likewise . as i am absolutely SURE you agree .
cause SHEEP agree WITH JESUS , HIS words , not men who twist and omit His words .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

JESUS Said "the Flood swept them away"

Audio Cross Study Comm Greek
Verse (Chapter ▾ Par ▾ Str ▾)
New International Version
and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

New Living Translation
People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.

English Standard Version
and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Berean Standard Bible
And they were oblivious until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Berean Literal Bible
And they did not know until the flood came and took away all. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.

King James Bible
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

New King James Version
and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

New American Standard Bible
and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

It's very clear what you are saying, which is simply the same as what Jesus said, which was that the flood killed them all (took them all away - all except Noah and his family), yet this guy still asks if you're saying they all died before the flood. He seems to be making no effort at all to actually read what you're saying.

 

[amigo de christo]

The OT Declares only TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The GOSPEL only Declares TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The NT Apostles only Declare TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

Get it wrong and you've been STRUCK-OUT THREE Times

THE FIRST time HE APPEARED TO PUT SIN AWAY .
tHE SECOND TIME he COMETH TO LAY DOWN THE WRATH OF GOD AGAINST ALL
WHO LOVED A LIE , ALL WHO HAD REJECTED THE LOVE OF TRUTH WHEREBY THEY COULD BE S AVED
AND FOUND PLEASURE IN A LIE . And on that day OUR salvation forever with HIM .
OH ITS that
serious we actually BELIEVE JESUS . And not men who twist and omit his words
For all who do so shall perish on the day of the LORD .
Enough with this anti christ ecumeincalsim whore led lie of interfaith . This sheep is done
with what DISHONORS the SON . And to call JESUS a liar , GOD a liar , IS TO DISHONOR the SON .
SO UNBELIEF , NOT GONNA WORK WITH GOD . the whore lies to us all david . And this sheep wont bite that nasty bait .
Such a slap in teh face of JESUS and OF GOD . Calling GOD a liar as it says ALL religions serve the same GOD we christains do .
THEY DONT david . AND HOW do i know they dont .
CAUSE IF THEY SERVED the same GOD WE DO , THEY HAD BELEIVED HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS , HIS gospel .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The OT Declares only TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The GOSPEL only Declares TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

The NT Apostles only Declare TWO Comings/Appearings of the LORD

Get it wrong and you've been STRUCK-OUT THREE Times

Yep. Scripture only teaches that He is coming again once. This three comings (two in the future) idea only comes from someone's very active imagination.

Acts 1:9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

I don't see anything here about Jesus going back to heaven again after He comes "in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven" and then coming from heaven yet again at some point. That idea is just ludicrous.

Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

All believers "eagerly wait for Him" and this says He will appear to them "a second time". Why would He need to appear a third time after that? There is no indication in Hebrews 9 or anywhere else that He would appear again a third time after appearing "a second time, apart from sin, for salvation". If that was the case, I'm sure that would be indicated somewhere just as His second coming is explicitly indicated in the passages I showed. It can be safely assumed that any reference to a future bodily coming of Christ will be the same future coming of Christ when He will appear "a second time" which will be "in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven".

If he was going to come twice in the future, then which of those two comings of Christ would the following refer to?

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

What do pre-tribs think, that one of His future comings is "the blessed hope" and will be glorious, but not the other? Which one would they say is our "blessed hope" that will be His "glorious appearing"?

 

[PeterAndroz]

Good Morning,

AGREE with you that GOD knows the exact number of His elect in Christ.

FYI - the 144,000 is a symbolic number that represents and Eternal Truth

Rev 7:4-8 is symbolic ?
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 7:4-8 is symbolic ?
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Yes, it is. There's a few things you should notice about the list of 12 tribes in Revelation 7.

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list, which is never the case in the Old Testament when 12 tribes are listed.

Both the tribe of Joseph and the tribe of his son Manasseh are listed with Joseph's son Ephraim not being listed. That is never the case in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament, sometimes the tribes of Joseph and his son Ephraim are both listed, sometimes both Manasseh and Ephraim are listed or sometimes all 3. But, it's never the case that only Joseph and Manasseh are listed without Ephraim also being listed, as is the case in Revelation 7.

In the Revelation 7 list, the tribe of Levi is included in the list even though Levi is usually not included in tribal lists that relate to land inheritance, which suggests that the Revelation 7 list is not related to land inheritance, but rather refers to those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit (have the seal of God) and who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God.

Many believe, and I agree with this, that the exclusion of the tribes of Dan and Ephraim from this list is because of their idolatry and rebellion against God. The list in Revelation 7 is meant to symbolically represent those who are faithful to God and have the seal of the Holy Spirit in them, which is not confined to just the physical nation of Israel.

In my view, John is told the number of those who are sealed from 12 tribes, but then it is revealed to him what that symbolizes, which is "a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb".

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes, it is. There's a few things you should notice about the list of 12 tribes in Revelation 7.

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list, which is never the case in the Old Testament when 12 tribes are listed.

Both the tribe of Joseph and the tribe of his son Manasseh are listed with Joseph's son Ephraim not being listed. That is never the case in the Old Testament. In the Old Testament, sometimes the tribes of Joseph and his son Ephraim are both listed and sometimes both Manasseh and Ephraim are listed. In this list, Ephraim is not listed at all.

In the Revelation 7 list, the tribe of Levi is included in the list even though Levi is usually not included in tribal lists that relate to land inheritance, which suggests that the Revelation 7 list is not related to land inheritance, but rather refers to those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit (have the seal of God) and who will inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God.

Many believe, and I agree with this, that the exclusion of the tribes of Dan and Ephraim from this list is because of their idolatry and rebellion against God. The list in Revelation 7 is meant to symbolically represent those who are faithful to God and have the seal of the Holy Spirit in them, which is not confined to just the physical nation of Israel.

In my view, John is told the number of those who are sealed from 12 tribes, but then it is revealed to him what that symbolizes, which is "a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb".

Rev 14:3-4 also symbolic ?
Virgins & not defiled by women also symbolic ?
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins
Me literal , you symbolic.
Symbolic needed when cant accept literal.

 

[David in NJ]

Rev 7:4-8 is symbolic ?
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Do you believe the Twelve Tribes described here are Jews of the flesh?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 14:3-4 also symbolic ?
Virgins & not defiled by women also symbolic ?
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins
Me literal , you symbolic.
Symbolic needed when cant accept literal.

Why didn't you address anything I said in post #432? Are you somehow not aware that there is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation? Why would you just assume that Revelation 14:3-4 is literal? Why would there be a special group of God's people who are male virgins? Does that line up with what Paul taught here...

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, so why would male virgin Christians be singled out? Your literal interpretation of that passage causes contradictions in scripture. Do you not take the rest of scripture into account when reading the book of Revelation?

In the book of Revelation, Babylon is presented symbolically as an evil woman, a harlot, who is the mother of harlots. So, I believe Revelation 14:3-4 is talking about Christians not being defiled by symbolic harlots like Babylon and the harlots of which she is their mother.

Are you aware that Christians are presented as being spiritual virgins in scripture?

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

That verse lines up with what is written in the following passages about those who are in the church.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

 

[David in NJ]

Rev 14:3-4 also symbolic ?
Virgins & not defiled by women also symbolic ?
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins
Me literal , you symbolic.
Symbolic needed when cant accept literal.

virgins and not defiled by women is SYMBOLIC

Your Mission, should you accept it, is to find out what the symbolism speaks of in actual Truth.

 

[Marilyn C]

Are you somehow not aware that there is a lot of symbolism in the book of Revelation? Why would you just assume that Revelation 14:3-4 is literal? Why would there be a special group of God's people who are male virgins? Does that line up with what Paul taught here...

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, so why would male virgin Christians be singled out? Your literal interpretation of that passage causes contradictions in scripture. Do you not take the rest of scripture into account when reading the book of Revelation?

In the book of Revelation, Babylon is presented symbolically as an evil woman, a harlot, who is the mother of harlots. So, I believe Revelation 14:3-4 is talking about Christians not being defiled by symbolic harlots like Babylon and the harlots of which she is their mother.

Are you aware that Christians are presented as being spiritual virgins in scripture?

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

That verse lines up with what is written in the following passages about those who are in the church.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

`Neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, you say correctly as God`s word says. Then you go on to say we are females. Contradiction there.

1. 2 Cor. 11: 2 is Paul talking to his disciples desiring them to be pure and that he will present them to the Lord. Paul does not present us to the Lord. The Lord will present us to Himself. (Jude 24)

2. Eph. 5: 25 is an exhortation to husbands to love their wives as their own bodies as Christ loves His BODY. There is no `her` but an `it` referring to the BODY. Paul has spent 4 chapters detailing the Body of Christ.

We are Christ`s Body.(Eph. 1: 22 & 23) (no male or female)
We are the New Man. (Eph. 2: 15)
We are to put on the new man. (Eph. 4: 24)
We will come to a perfect man. (Eph. 4: 13)

Rev. 19: 7 is referring to Israel the wife. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

 

[David in NJ]

`Neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, you say correctly as God`s word says. Then you go on to say we are females. Contradiction there.

1. 2 Cor. 11: 2 is Paul talking to his disciples desiring them to be pure and that he will present them to the Lord. Paul does not present us to the Lord. The Lord will present us to Himself. (Jude 24)

2. Eph. 5: 25 is an exhortation to husbands to love their wives as their own bodies as Christ loves His BODY. There is no `her` but an `it` referring to the BODY. Paul has spent 4 chapters detailing the Body of Christ.

We are Christ`s Body.(Eph. 1: 22 & 23) (no male or female)
We are the New Man. (Eph. 2: 15)
We are to put on the new man. (Eph. 4: 24)
We will come to a perfect man. (Eph. 4: 13)

Rev. 19: 7 is referring to Israel the wife. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

God the FATHER is only to referred to as a 'HE', denoting Male Figurehead, thus HE is called FATHER
The LORD Jesus Christ is only referred to as a 'HE' again denoting Male Figurehead, thus HE is called the only Begotten SON of the FATHER
The HOLY SPIRIT is only referred to as a 'HE' again denoting Male Figurehead, thus the Spirit of Truth is called 'HE'

When Paul wrote: "neither male nor female", Paul is speaking of our New Birth in/of the SPIRIT = our spirits were Born-Anew

When Paul wrote of the Body of Christ he spoke of the Church being "Her" and described the Church as a "Bride" and as a "Wife".

The LORD Jesus Christ calls His Church = His WIFE in Revelation chapter 19 and again in chapter 22

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you believe the Twelve Tribes described here are Jews of the flesh?

the gentile of the flesh and the jew of the flesh shall both wail ON JESUS day .
For the flesh is not what profits a man . YE MUST be b orn again .
Those whose faith be in JESUS , they are the BORN AGAIN of GOD ALL MIGHTY .
Sons and daughters of the one true GOD .
But unto all others whether jew or gentile who failed give GOD the GLORY
WHO failed to do as abraham had done , WHO BELIEVED GOD
WHO failed to honor the SON . OH they gonna wail david .
HE who is of GOD hears us and HE who is not of GOD does not hear us . JOHN KNEW david . HE KNEW
for JESUS had told him and he would write to the very church those very words .
As did them other apostels .
AS did even paul who was as of one who was born out of due time .
THE reason and reasons why folks sit under men who in any shape way or form twist the scrips
and please their ears DO no HEAR the voice of this one ,
FOR THIS CAUSE was i born and for this reason came i unto the world , TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH .
And all who are OF the TRUTH HEAR ME , COME TO ME . not budda , not muhammed , BUT TO JESUS .
JESUS . WHO not only SPOKE TRUTH and GIVETH LIFE
HE IS TRUTH and HE IS LIFE and HE BE ABSOLUTELY THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER .
YES david . And now you know why i so admanantely shun this inclusive whore and her ecumiencal intefaith lie far far far away .
CAUSE , NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH . NO LIE is OF THE TRUTH .
AND HE who recieves NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , IS A LIAR that calls GOD A LIAR .
BUT HE who receives HIS testimony has set to se al THAT GOD IS TRUE . AND THE MOTTO IS , LET GOD BE TRUE
but every man a liar . CLING to them holy words in that bible david and let us always remember
That EVERY WORD of GOD IS TRUTH . And is meat for the sheep .

 

[Marilyn C]

God the FATHER is only to referred to as a 'HE', denoting Male Figurehead, thus HE is called FATHER
The LORD Jesus Christ is only referred to as a 'HE' again denoting Male Figurehead, thus HE is called the only Begotten SON of the FATHER
The HOLY SPIRIT is only referred to as a 'HE' again denoting Male Figurehead, thus the Spirit of Truth is called 'HE'

When Paul wrote: "neither male nor female", Paul is speaking of our New Birth in/of the SPIRIT = our spirits were Born-Anew

When Paul wrote of the Body of Christ he spoke of the Church being "Her" and described the Church as a "Bride" and as a "Wife".

The LORD Jesus Christ calls His Church = His WIFE in Revelation chapter 19 and again in chapter 22

The word` her` is not there. The word is `it,` referring to the Body the New Man.

Only Israel is called the `wife,` and God divorced her because of idolatry, nd then will `marry` connect with her again.

The Body of Christ is ONLY referred to as the NEW MAN.

The city is described AS a bride because of the glory of God. But it is NOT a bride.